Spacers + Wheel Studs, need help...

[jayjay_dee]

Im planning on getting 12.5mm/15mm (F/R) spacers from TMS,
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-141-turner-motorsport-wheel-spacers.aspx

and after some more reading (and of course thanks to Charlie that did the stud conversion on his magical ZHP :roundel), im now leaning on doing the same thing instead of getting longer bolts together with the spacers. Which studs do you think is the best? what size (for 12.5/15mm spacers)?

What do you guys think?

Also Charlie, if you read this, can you please share some info on those studs you got from Rob and Kristen?

[danewilson77]

You have to go with 82mm minimum running those spacers. Doesn't look like TMS offes 82mm, but the do offer 90mm.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-258-turner-motorsport-12x15-90mm-wheel-studs-most-bmws-e30-e36-e46-e9x.aspx

Personally, I would look into the 82mm's somewhere else.

Are you going with open ended lug nuts?

[jayjay_dee]

You have to go with 82mm minimum running those spacers. Doesn't look like TMS offes 82mm, but the do offer 90mm.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-258-turner-motorsport-12x15-90mm-wheel-studs-most-bmws-e30-e36-e46-e9x.aspx

Personally, I would look into the 82mm's somewhere else.

Are you going with open ended lug nuts?

DW, not sure what Charlie has, but i like it...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/06/raqesuhe.jpg

Also, where did you get that number (82mm)?

[danewilson77]

I snagged it off the Bimmerworld website which offers 75mm, 82mm, and 90mm. Says 75mm's are only good up to a 12mm spacer. I have 10mm spacers all around so I was good. I think 90's may be too long. Not sure what size Chuck has.

[cakM3]

jayjay.... the wheel studs I have on my ZHP are 90mm length studs. I like these since I run spacers all around. :thumbsup You can get wheel studs from EAS (European Auto Source). That's where I got a set for my ///M [ 75mm (12mm)]. Looking back I should have gotten the 90mm (12mm) ones instead, which is what I'm currently running on the ZHP.

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/macdctr/Library2/ScreenShot2013-04-10at91217PM_zpse298b00a.png

Here's the link: http://www.europeanautosource.com/product/macht-schnell-single-wheel-stud (http://www.europeanautosource.com/product/macht-schnell-single-wheel-stud)

Regarding spacers....I'm running 10mm front and 12mm rear

[midlandtech]

are spacers a necessity when lowering or are they just aesthetic?

[danewilson77]

are spacers a necessity when lowering or are they just aesthetic?

May be necessary depending on how low you go, suspension you roll with and wheel offset.

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[midlandtech]

May be necessary depending on how low you go, suspension you roll with and wheel offset.

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ok. charlie do you need spacers to clear everything given your current (new) drop? I plan on going about that low. just enough to get rid of all the wheel gap perhaps a slight tuck but only slight.

[johnrando]

I wouldn't call then a necessity for many setups, mostly more about looks. As in a discussion last week, some say they can be a point of failure so don't use them, others say they widen the stance so handling is better. If you don't track, it probably doesn't matter. So it's kinda what you want to believe, what look you are going for. My lowered suspension did NOT scrape until I added spacers.

[midlandtech]

I wouldn't call then a necessity for many setups, mostly more about looks. As in a discussion last week, some say they can be a point of failure so don't use them, others say they widen the stance so handling is better. If you don't track, it probably doesn't matter. So it's kinda what you want to believe, what look you are going for. My lowered suspension did NOT scrape until I added spacers.

Just looking to get rid of wheel gap... Guess I so see how she looks post install and decide then.

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[M0nk3y]

75mm you can go max 12mm spacers. I'd go 90mm.

I personally love Vorshlag's Studs. American made, race proven. I run them

http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_106_178&products_id=120

[LivesNearCostco]

I have BimmerWorld 75mm studs and while they can support 12mm spacers, it would be a hassle to start the lug nuts with a 12mm spacer. It's fine with a 5mm spacer. (Depends somewhat on rim design.) Next Christmas I'm hoping BimmerWorld once again includes wheel stud packages in their 12-days of Christmas sale. I plan to get the next longer studs, which are 80 or 84mm.

[M0nk3y]

I have BimmerWorld 75mm studs and while they can support 12mm spacers, it would be a hassle to start the lug nuts with a 12mm spacer. It's fine with a 5mm spacer. (Depends somewhat on rim design.) Next Christmas I'm hoping BimmerWorld once again includes wheel stud packages in their 12-days of Christmas sale. I plan to get the next longer studs, which are 80 or 84mm.

Get a cordless impact.

Take a lug, zip it on until it clicks once (where it is about to torque them) and it will center the wheel. You do that with 4 others and the wheel is done.

With an impact throwing studs and wheels on a car is a worlds difference.

[330i ZHP]

studs make life (putting wheels on) so much easier

I did the truck this past week

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd62/smoulton0204/E70%20X5%20M/STU_4892_zps387c4471.jpg

[derbo]

Turnermotorsports replied to me that their 12.5mm Spacers will fit on 75mm studs. I have the turner motorsports 12.5mm spacers and 82mm bimmerworld studs.

[danewilson77]

Turnermotorsports replied to me that their 12.5mm Spacers will fit on 75mm studs. I have the turner motorsports 12.5mm spacers and 82mm bimmerworld studs.

I didn't see an 82mm kit? You bought them individually?

[cakM3]

ok. charlie do you need spacers to clear everything given your current (new) drop? I plan on going about that low. just enough to get rid of all the wheel gap perhaps a slight tuck but only slight.

Steve, I only need spacers to clear the front calipers. They are that massive. Problem is that with spacers (10mm) front, the rears just don't look right so I added 12mm spacers there. Right now I'm thinking of going with 10mm spacers for my rears but for now will continue to run with the 12's.

[LivesNearCostco]

I do have a cordless impact wrench but I start each lug nut by hand to make sure they don't cross thread. Maybe I'm being too cautious. The D-force LTW5 rim has a spoke design that covers more of the stud than the stock 135s. With no spacer it's easy to get the nuts started by hand. With a 5mm spacer I have to think about it a little if the wheels isn't fully seated on the hub lip. With a 12mm spacer on 75mm studs, there will be enough thread to fully engage the lug nuts, but I think one would need to hold the rim tight against the hub and carefully start each nut with fingertips. Or, use the impact wrench.

If you don't plan to change wheels more than 2x per year, 75mm might be the right length for 10/12mm spacers and looks, so you don't have much of the stud sticking out beyond the holes on the wheel. If you change your wheels every 3 weeks, you want the studs sticking out beyond the wheel. Edit: Well *I* want the studs sticking out beyond the wheel... you might not!

[jayjay_dee]

So im doing the math:

TMS spacers (12.5mm,15mm) + longer bolts package = $240
TMS spacers (12.5mm,15mm) + vorshlag studs and lug nuts = $343

$103 difference, not a lot really, but i dont see myself taking the wheels off (and back on) more than once a year...

I need to place my order asap and still cant make up my mind, plus the e70 needs some lovin too, looking for new rim+tires package...

[johnrando]

Yeah, I can't really justify the cost for me. If I was auto-x, track, or used winter wheels, then maybe. I like the way they look on an aggressive stance.

[danewilson77]

Yeah, I can't really justify the cost for me. If I was auto-x, track, or used winter wheels, then maybe. I like the way they look on an aggressive stance.

The paddle shifters and sprint booster beg to differ :shifty

[johnrando]

lol. Touche, but at least those were performance related.

[jayjay_dee]

lol, good one Dane.

[cakM3]

I will add that doing the wheel stud conversion was one of the best things I have done to both BMWs. Not just for looks but it does make changing out wheels so much easier. :thumbsup

[jayjay_dee]

I will add that ..... was one of the best things I have done to both BMWs.

I also say the same thing about my mods :biggrin

Pickup your phone, ive been calling you, lol...

[cakM3]

I also say the same thing about my mods :biggrin

Pickup your phone, ive been calling you, lol...

Damn jayjay! I've been spending the past 45 minutes soaking in the jacuzzi....just got back. Try calling me again :)

[derbo]

I didn't see an 82mm kit? You bought them individually?

Yes I bought them individually. I like the bullet nose of the 82mm studs. I ordered lug nuts elsewhere.

I change my rims at least once every 2 months so the studs made sense. Plus I use spacers on stock wheels and no spacers on my track wheels. With the studs I don't have to deal with the extra longer bolts for the 12.5mm spacer.


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[jayjay_dee]

Just an update...

Decided with 12.5F/15R with longer bolts combo from TMS, ~$250 total.

Hopefully I can have them installed before the trip down to VA for the reunion.

Thanks everyone for the inputs.

[derbo]

should as easy as swaping out bolts :)

[ryankokesh]

anyone have a picture of the 90mm studs on a 135 wheel without any spacers? Google image let me down. Wondering just how much it's going to stick out, and if the sticky outiness even looks right on a 135. (I want the option of spacers in the future, but want the studs now...)

[sillieidiot]

yeah it's going to stick out a lot. i have 75mm and they stuck out a lot on my vb3s and now arc-8s. but the arcs have a deeper lug area so it doesn't look as crazy. i think 90mm would look crazy long lol

[derbo]

anyone have a picture of the 90mm studs on a 135 wheel without any spacers? Google image let me down. Wondering just how much it's going to stick out, and if the sticky outiness even looks right on a 135. (I want the option of spacers in the future, but want the studs now...)

I use bimmerworld 82mm studs. I had a fear that the 75mm was not long enough for 12.5mm spacer (barely) so I opt for the 82mm to be safe.

https://store.nexternal.com/bimmerworl/storefront/race-bulletnose-wheel-stud-p627.aspx

They actually made a new one which I will be replacing it when after this next season as well.

https://store.nexternal.com/bimmerworl/storefront/premium-race-bulletnose-wheel-stud-p1334.aspx

[ryankokesh]

Hmmm.....


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[derbo]

Do it Ryan! I never looked back after getting studs. It makes playing with spacers alot easier. You don't have to carry a bag of different length bolts.

[ryankokesh]

Do it Ryan! I never looked back after getting studs. It makes playing with spacers alot easier. You don't have to carry a bag of different length bolts.

You don't think it'd look wonky with 135's?

[derbo]

You don't think it'd look wonky with 135's?

If you get lugnuts that are extended, you can't tell too much.

http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7069&d=1359395998

It would look the same except part of the bullet nose will stick out a little bit.

[ryankokesh]

If you get lugnuts that are extended, you can't tell too much.

http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7069&d=1359395998

It would look the same except part of the bullet nose will stick out a little bit.

Oh that's not bad. Those are the 82s?

[wsmeyer]

It seems like a lot of us are running the same or very similar setups. Here's mine:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25621980/2014-04-22%2018.24.32.jpg

12mm spacers, 90mm Macht Schnell studs, Muteki lug nuts. I ended up with this combo as the studs end up flush with the lugs.

[ryankokesh]

It seems like a lot of us are running the same or very similar setups. Here's mine:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25621980/2014-04-22%2018.24.32.jpg

12mm spacers, 90mm Macht Schnell studs, Muteki lug nuts. I ended up with this combo as the studs end up flush with the lugs.

Noice!

[derbo]

Oh that's not bad. Those are the 82s?

Those are 82 plus 12.5 spacer. The nose of the stud will stick out a little without the spacer.

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[QC_ZHP]

is 82 enough w/ 15mm spacers?

[derbo]

is 82 enough w/ 15mm spacers?

yup. I think max is 20mm spacer.

[ryankokesh]

Imma gonna duh eet


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[QC_ZHP]

Same. Should make life much easier.

[sillieidiot]

just make sure you guys really clean the thread (use a thread chaser for best results) and use the right loctite. i had a customer with studs installed wrong, and 3/5 on each of the wheels came off when i went to take off his lugs lol i had to replace the whole set.

[Smilez]

:hi sillie

[derbo]

just make sure you guys really clean the thread (use a thread chaser for best results) and use the right loctite. i had a customer with studs installed wrong, and 3/5 on each of the wheels came off when i went to take off his lugs lol i had to replace the whole set.

What do you mean the right loctite?

[BCS_ZHP]

Loctite Red 271, it requires heat to break it free. The Loctite Blue is a more medium thread fastener that can be overpowered by air tools.

[derbo]

The studs on Bimmerworld's Studs are applied with Dri-Loc. I'm not sure where it is in comparison to 271.

[sillieidiot]

:hi sillie

yo :hi


Loctite Red 271, it requires heat to break it free. The Loctite Blue is a more medium thread fastener that can be overpowered by air tools.

:word


The studs on Bimmerworld's Studs are applied with Dri-Loc. I'm not sure where it is in comparison to 271.

i believe it's still Loctite but it's a dried pre-application. It seems like Bimmerworld uses yellow (there's 2 versions, i assumed it was the higher one which is resistant to higher temps), which are high strength, but it isn't marketed as permanent. Also the cure time for it is 72h which is way longer than the 271.

[M0nk3y]

Use 271 to apply.

Don't worry, you can undo them with a double nut technique

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[ELCID86]

So Loctite Red 271 seems to be ok to use. What do folks use to keep the spacers or wheels from binding to the hub?


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[330i ZHP]

Anti-Sieze

[ELCID86]

Thanks. Torque amount for studs?


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[ELCID86]

Ray texted me this and I thought I'd share:

This is what's recommended "Parts needed:

-5 or 5.5mm Allen (Depending on the stud) key/wrench

-Medium strength thread locker

-Socket set and Torque Wrench


1. Properly jack up the car and secure jack stand

2. Remove lug bolts and wheels

3. Clean wheel hub and lug holes of any debris

4. Apply 1 drop of thread locker on the short threaded side of the stud

5. Insert allen key all the way into the stud and install the stud

6. Torque the stud to 25ft/lbs

7. Repeat steps 4-6 on the remaining studs on wheel hub

8. Install wheel

9. Torque nut to factory specs or 85-88ft/lbs.


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[M0nk3y]

Yep. 25 ft-lbs is right.

Typically when you meet resistance on threading the stud, go 1/4 turn and you're good.