(Placeholder) New product from ESS

[bullfrogs_M3]

So......anyway, I don't know how much I can say about this as I don't know how much is in the public domain. But.... I can say it is a low cost "power adder" and I'll know more in 2 weeks :shifty:

Long story short, I know the guys at ESS and their main US office is down here in AZ a few miles away. One of the guys called me up and asked if he could use my car for a few weeks for an "install/test". I said sure, since i travel and my car usually sits at the airport for most days. He said I could keep it + cash after they are done with it.

So this is just a place holder post (or teaser post?) for now.


EDIT: The car goes to the shop on Tuesday afternoon. I will have updates to this thread throughout the next couple of weeks as they do install, pics, testing, modding, dyno, etc....


EDIT 2: I don't have any information yet on Dyno numbers, costs, install timeframe, etc.. As they are building this up and taking pictures, doing the install, dyno testing, tuning, etc.. I will have more information to pass along. I talked to the installer guy and he said all said and done, the entire kit that you see below shouldn't take more than 2-3 hours of install time. When I walked through the kit with the guys, we lined up the bracket and everything and I can see where after removing the air box, it really won't take much time at all to install this system.


EDIT 3: I will have to put my Gruppe M intake up for sale, since I can no longer use it with this kit. :( :) I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing yet

[bullfrogs_M3]

Dropping off the car
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/236C557A-B90E-4F1F-AB11-BA354325C6F0_zpswikex5ct.jpg

The main parts of the new system (all new bracket, two main hoses, pulley's and of course the power unit)
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/E85ECB30-D5E6-4F12-A0B5-C84595540B78_zpswdaejcuh.jpg
(sorry, for the life of me, i just can't get this thing to rotate in photo bucket properly: http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/artimasJC/library/ )


What an assembled unit with new S/C and bracket (this bracket is for the E46 M3, but ours will be identical minus that upward piece on the left above the pulley)
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/AE54A8FE-ABC4-4574-9093-5A3FC9C1F915_zpsewsnj7oj.jpg


UPDATE: 09/29/14

Word from the pre tear down dyno session was that I was running 192HP at the wheels. I should have a Dyno sheet soon, but he just texted me that number. Not bad I guess
My current mods at the dyno session: UUC TSE3, ESS Tuning (done a few years back), Stock Airbox, Dinan Throttle Body

Teardown has started
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3822_zps4a34977c.jpeg

Some of the misc parts assembled
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3676_zps06290c00.jpeg

Assembled side view
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_5128_zpsb157e049.jpeg

Assembled front view
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_2132_zps3d51f1d6.jpeg

[bullfrogs_M3]

(post holder for updates 2)

Almost done. Since my car is being used as the install pic/video/documentation car, it is taking them a little longer. Plus they said they are finding some helpful things here and there while they have the car. Over the next day or two will come tuning, tweaking, dyno, etc..

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3878_zps83ac5649.jpeg

Update:
Tuning is happening now but there was an issue where they didn't like the original hose and intake setup. So they have been playing around with some different setups on the intake. I'm not sure how I feel about this..... the first thing that comes to mind is inadequate, but hopefully that is just me.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3374_zpsaccdaee7.jpeg

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_5875_zpsc464e8b2.jpeg

[danewilson77]

Ohhhhhhhh snap.

The friendliest forum on the planet.

[Avetiso]

Don't tease us anymore.

[BimmerWill]

Did we start a new thread for this? Lol

[Avetiso]

Did we start a new thread for this? Lol
:rofl I think Dane split them.

[BimmerWill]

Haha alright. Well I'm still subscribed so see how round 2 goes lol

[danewilson77]

Same thread. I just deleted all the spam, on the OP's request.

The friendliest forum on the planet!

[BimmerWill]

Same thread. I just deleted all the spam, on the OP's request.

The friendliest forum on the planet!
Roger roger. Looking forward to some goodies!

[bullfrogs_M3]

Update in post #1 and 2 with hardware, drop off and additional info

[cakM3]

Looks very interesting!!! :thumbsup
:like

[Smilez]

NOW WE TALKING!!!

This should be fun.

[wsmeyer]

Very interesting. It all comes down to HP and $$ but this could be VERY appealing to us California kids that have to undue it every two years to pass smog.

[az3579]

Is this a supercharger type of system but like a "lite" version?

[bullfrogs_M3]

Is this a supercharger type of system but like a "lite" version?

haha I don't think it will be a "lite" version. It is a vortech system that they have mentioned will get numbers very close to the twin screw TS 1/2 system that they have.

[wsmeyer]

haha I don't think it will be a "lite" version. It is a vortech system that they have mentioned will get numbers very close to the twin screw TS 1/2 system that they have.

Maybe peak but you'll never get the low end gains out of a centrifugal supercharger.

[bullfrogs_M3]

Maybe peak but you'll never get the low end gains out of a centrifugal supercharger.

Oh i completely agree with you on that one. I even mentioned that to them yesterday. However, due to the fact that a) The manufacturer for the twin screw setup went out of business and ess picked up ALL their stock, so they only have less than 200 units available and then....thats it, twin screws are no more. And b) most lower end systems are using the vortech superchargers now for "cost to dollar bang" (lower end doesn't mean weaker or bad in this case, it is more of a cost per HP type of statement)

ESS can do some phenomenal things with tuning and I think they will be able to pull of some pretty impressive numbers when they are done with this kit. I personally am looking more for the torque numbers than anything else.

[CarbonZHP]

"Low cost"

[derbo]

:D I LIKEY. The good thing about using a vortech charger is this. https://jonbondperformance.com/ I know they rebuild mostly the muscle car guys vortech chargers but they are the main guys for rebuilding a vortech charger outside of vortech themselves. My buddy is actually rebuilding his Dinan Vortech e36 supercharger with them since Vortech will most likely say its not rebuildable.

[bullfrogs_M3]

"Low cost"

It is priced below the TS1/2 systems that they. By how much? I don't know.......actually I have a really really good idea of the price because we talked about it yesterday, but I won't voice that here (yet). It is not a lowball cost by any stretch but it is a lot lower than their higher end system available right now and listed on their site.

[wsmeyer]

Oh i completely agree with you on that one. I even mentioned that to them yesterday. However, due to the fact that a) The manufacturer for the twin screw setup went out of business and ess picked up ALL their stock, so they only have less than 200 units available and then....thats it, twin screws are no more. And b) most lower end systems are using the vortech superchargers now for "cost to dollar bang" (lower end doesn't mean weaker or bad in this case, it is more of a cost per HP type of statement)

ESS can do some phenomenal things with tuning and I think they will be able to pull of some pretty impressive numbers when they are done with this kit. I personally am looking more for the torque numbers than anything else.

Very interesting, I did not know that. I think 200 is A LOT though for a nearly 10 year old model. Hopefully they got a smoking deal on them and will blow them out at some point. The number of people buying twin screw superchargers that cost roughly 80% of the Blue Book value of the car has got to be pretty tiny.

[BimmerWill]

Very nice. Can't wait for some more info..

[Smilez]

if i had to guess, they will probably be prices around $3500 +/-

[cakM3]

if i had to guess, they will probably be prices around $3500 +/-

Wouldn't that be awesome!

[derbo]

I hope this kit has a self-contained oil system + oil cooler as well as an intercooler option :)

[bullfrogs_M3]

I hope this kit has a self-contained oil system + oil cooler as well as an intercooler option :)

Self-contained oil system? Check
Oil cooler? uncheck (no)
Intercooler? uncheck (no)

System contains a line that is the drain hose for the oil changing. It is hard to tell on that middle picture but the bubble wrapped thing on the main unit is the oil drain line. You will want/need to change the supercharger oil on each and every time you do a standard oil change on your car, however for better life of the unit, you will want to change it every 5-8K miles. The unit contains the drain line, a dipstick and an oil fill plug.

[bullfrogs_M3]

Just heard they will be performing a pre-dyno run on their in-house DynoJet. Honestly, i'm really looking forward to just getting those numbers to see what my car is(or rather "was") running at.

[wsmeyer]

They should also test one on a 06 Convertible.

[derbo]

Self-contained oil system? Check
Oil cooler? uncheck (no)
Intercooler? uncheck (no)

System contains a line that is the drain hose for the oil changing. It is hard to tell on that middle picture but the bubble wrapped thing on the main unit is the oil drain line. You will want/need to change the supercharger oil on each and every time you do a standard oil change on your car, however for better life of the unit, you will want to change it every 5-8K miles. The unit contains the drain line, a dipstick and an oil fill plug.

I hope there will be an upgrade package to install an oil cooler and intercooler. I would like that :D

[CarbonZHP]

They should also test one on a 06 Convertible.

Or just a ZHP convertible. We're special, you know.

[derbo]

Is there any difference in the front end of a vert vs a regular car? :P

[wsmeyer]

Is there any difference in the front end of a vert vs a regular car? :P

Lower gearing so it will hit rpm faster and make the supercharger feel different. I'm perfectly willing to be their test mule :)

[johnrando]

I volunteer mine...I'll drive it out and fly back for a freebie!

[derbo]

Lower gearing so it will hit rpm faster and make the supercharger feel different. I'm perfectly willing to be their test mule :)

Even on the stick ones?

[wsmeyer]

Even on the stick ones?

shhh.. you're killing my free supercharger!

[derbo]

shhh.. you're killing my free supercharger!

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[az3579]

shhh.. you're killing my free supercharger!

How cute... free supercharger... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Free superchargers are reserved for sedans. :biggrin

[BimmerWill]

How cute... free supercharger... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Free superchargers are reserved for sedans. :biggrin

Is there a sign up sheet?? :)

[johnrando]

On behalf of ZHPMAFIA I proclaim today, 'Free SuperCharger Day'. So this is an orderly process, we'll start with the following models and move through all ZHP's and M3 members accordingly.

1) Black 2006 ZHP STEP Verts
2) All others..

he he

[az3579]

On behalf of ZHPMAFIA I proclaim today, 'Free SuperCharger Day'. So this is an orderly process, we'll start with the following models and move through all ZHP's and M3 members accordingly.

1) Imola ZHP sedans
2) All others..

he he

I know we shouldn't be correcting each other on our spelling and grammar, but I just had to fix it since the mistake was so grave.

You're welcome. :shifty

[NoVAphotog]

I know we shouldn't be correcting each other on our spelling and grammar, but I just had to fix it since the mistake was so grave.

You're welcome. :shifty

I noticed that mistake as well, good catch BP!

[CarbonZHP]

Someone fight me for a supercharger.

[az3579]

Someone fight me for a supercharger.

You sure you want to lose?

[CarbonZHP]

You sure you want to lose?

No one said it would be a clean or honorable fight

[bullfrogs_M3]

UPDATE on post #2


Dropping off the car
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/236C557A-B90E-4F1F-AB11-BA354325C6F0_zpswikex5ct.jpg

The main parts of the new system (all new bracket, two main hoses, pulley's and of course the power unit)
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/E85ECB30-D5E6-4F12-A0B5-C84595540B78_zpswdaejcuh.jpg
(sorry, for the life of me, i just can't get this thing to rotate in photo bucket properly: http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/artimasJC/library/ )


What an assembled unit with new S/C and bracket (this bracket is for the E46 M3, but ours will be identical minus that upward piece on the left above the pulley)
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/AE54A8FE-ABC4-4574-9093-5A3FC9C1F915_zpsewsnj7oj.jpg


UPDATE: 09/29/14

Word from the pre tear down dyno session was that I was running 192HP at the wheels. I should have a Dyno sheet soon, but he just texted me that number. Not bad I guess
My current mods at the dyno session: UUC TSE3, ESS Tuning (done a few years back), Stock Airbox, Dinan Throttle Body

Teardown has started
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3822_zps4a34977c.jpeg

Some of the misc parts assembled
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3676_zps06290c00.jpeg

Assembled side view
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_5128_zpsb157e049.jpeg

Assembled front view
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_2132_zps3d51f1d6.jpeg

[CarbonZHP]

Horsepower, horsepower, my kingdom is in horsepower

[derbo]

:drool

[Smilez]

LOOKS LIKE A EASY INSTALL TOO :thumbup

[Newjack]

LOOKS LIKE A EASY INSTALL TOO [emoji106]
How did you make a post in all caps?


OP this looks awesome!

[Pip]

I would be entertaining this as an option if I still had my ZHP. If it is easy to install that is frosting on the cake because of the smog laws in CA.

[Smilez]

How did you make a post in all caps?


OP this looks awesome!

:rofl I don't know. Usually it makes it all lower case. The only thing I can think of is the smiley face (: thumbup), it's "lower case"

[derbo]

I would be entertaining this as an option if I still had my ZHP. If it is easy to install that is frosting on the cake because of the smog laws in CA.

Good part about smog laws in CA now are that you just need to pass the OBD readiness monitor test and visual now. No more sniffer for our e46s! :D





Where does that ducting go? I hope it doesn't interfere with my brake duct hoses :D

[bullfrogs_M3]

Update: 09/30/14


(post holder for updates 2)

Almost done. Since my car is being used as the install pic/video/documentation car, it is taking them a little longer. Plus they said they are finding some helpful things here and there while they have the car. Over the next day or two will come tuning, tweaking, dyno, etc..

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3878_zps83ac5649.jpeg

[OtterEffect]

:drool


Sent from my potato using Tapatalk

[TigerTater]

MOAR please

[CarbonZHP]

Now

[bullfrogs_M3]

Update on intake issues:


(post holder for updates 2)

Almost done. Since my car is being used as the install pic/video/documentation car, it is taking them a little longer. Plus they said they are finding some helpful things here and there while they have the car. Over the next day or two will come tuning, tweaking, dyno, etc..

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3878_zps83ac5649.jpeg

Update:
Tuning is happening now but there was an issue where they didn't like the original hose and intake setup. So they have been playing around with some different setups on the intake. I'm not sure how I feel about this..... the first thing that comes to mind is inadequate, but hopefully that is just me.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_3374_zpsaccdaee7.jpeg

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_5875_zpsc464e8b2.jpeg

I am wondering if a more canonical type filter would work here. I mean, the one I have with my Gruppe M might actually fit, then again some K&N's might fit as well.
http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server1900/3ec96/products/6245/images/10919/fri-0115kit__16345.1405337399.800.600.jpg?c=2
or
http://www.knfilters.com/aircharger/aircharger.htm

[Smilez]

For some reason that intake remind me of Megan Fox Thumb

:dunno

[Vas]

I don't like the maf sensor being that close to the air filter.

As far as the filter, I would be using something like this

http://www.mycarforum.com/uploads/sgcarstore/data/2/large/Apexi_Power_Intake_41.jpg

[bullfrogs_M3]

I think that tuning might come out that there isn't enough airflow. I don't know, i'm just putting that out there as a possibility. I asked him about a number of different filter choices and he even mentioned that I could run the original design like you see in that other pics above, where the intake tube runs really low into the engine bay/fender/bumper area. I don't really like that either due to possible water suction on some semi/deep puddles.

Anyway, the tuning is happening now and i've thrown out some suggestions on filters so between him and I (and us) we can probably come up with a more workable solution. But again, tuning will probably tell us more on whether or not the more larger air requirements of the supercharger is going to need a more robust air filter.

[Smilez]

As for the intake that goes down to the bumper. I've been running a custom intake that goes down to my bumper behind the fog lights. I've gone through some scary puddles, that i thought i might have hydrolock my engine. However, thinkg 4-5 years later, I'm still running same CAI with no issues.

[derbo]

This reminds me of the G Power S/C

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/7f34657ea9.jpg

[bullfrogs_M3]

hmmm very interesting

[derbo]

The ESS blower is much larger but the intake shape is what reminds me of the G Power.

[Oli77]

Dang! this thread is very much excitation ! What a great story.

But why the delay since the initial post in January 2013?

[derbo]

As far as the air filter being there, the air still approaches that area similar to the Gruppe M.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=653046

This thread might help explain the hole under the headlight.

http://photos.e46fanatics.com/data/500/gruppe4.jpg

[johnrando]

That was a great read Derek, thanks!

[bullfrogs_M3]

UPDATE:

Word from the shop is that it is putting down 292 at the wheels with a better low end torque curve than the TS1 system. They started testing/tuning it on the dyno at 9.4lbs of boost.

He sent me a video of it on the dyno, not must to see really but whatever, i'll post it up when I get a chance.
Edit:

http://vid1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/MOV_0754.MOV_zps8eolbua4.mp4

[johnrando]

Not bad!

[NoVAphotog]

UPDATE:

Word from the shop is that it is putting down 292 at the wheels with a better low end torque curve than the TS1 system. They started testing/tuning it on the dyno at 9.4lbs of boost.

He sent me a video of it on the dyno, not must to see really but whatever, i'll post it up when I get a chance.
Edit:

http://vid1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/MOV_0754.MOV_zps8eolbua4.mp4

:drool

[Smilez]

hot damn that sounds bad ass.

[CarbonZHP]

At the wheels? Nice

[Smilez]

Have they tried doing the pulls with both intakes to see which one produces more HP?

[flavo]

Was that smoke at the end?

[derbo]

292 SAE corrected? I am very curious at this dyno graph! :D

[az3579]

Is that whine audible inside the cabin? If so, DO WANT!

[Vas]

That supercharger whine.

[wsmeyer]

Isn't that whine coming from the dyno?

[BimmerWill]

Isn't that whine coming from the dyno?
+1

[az3579]

Isn't that whine coming from the dyno?

I dunno, but I want a supercharger whine so badly... :shifty

[iZHP]

sounds awesome

[Vas]

You can hear a little bit of a whine over the dyno rollers.

[danewilson77]

Jeremiah,

What was the price on this kit?

No flame suit required!

[bullfrogs_M3]

Not sure if the whine is that audible. It was one of the installers/sales guy that sent me that video, so i have yet to hear it in person, both inside and outside of the car.

The puff of smoke was from a little oil that was on the exhaust manifold. Evidently, when I did my valve cover gasket after my vanos repair, one of the valve cover bolts broke and I didn't realize it, so a small amount of oil had seeped through. They found it and replaced the bolt but a little bit of oil had gotten on the exhaust, so it was from that.

I am still waiting for the dyno sheets to show up but i'll post those up as soon as I get them. But for the time being, i started at 192 at the wheels and the supercharger added 100HP to the wheels, so 292hp at the wheels. Although they are also going to do drop in some 93 octane fuel (for those outside of AZ that can get higher octane gas) to get the tuning done on that as well, so the HP numbers should go up just a little bit.

I should know pricing here shortly but I think they are waiting to see what the numbers are and the final tweaking on the software side. But as soon as I hear something, i'll update the main posts as well.

They have been doing some drivability tests on it and say that it is very subtle when not on the gas/non-aggressive driving, but opens up very quick when you want the power. I think this is mainly due to the additional lower end torque that this provides more than anything else. I guess there was a semi-annual AZ BMW meet on thursday (I couldn't make it since i was flying back from work at the time) but I guess they brought it to the meet and everyone was pretty impressed with it so far.
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/IMG_4966_zps2e994384.jpeg

[Johnmadd]

:epic

[BimmerWill]

Awesome! Can't wait for more info.

[Vas]

Full of win

[JupiterBMW]

Awesome thread... Great news for all of you guys wanting an easy to install SC system!

[derbo]

Sick! 100+ whp is a significant amount. I am very curious how it will run on California 91 octane.. :(

I kinda want the boost :drool

[Hermes]

Sick! 100+ whp is a significant amount. I am very curious how it will run on California 91 octane.. :(

I kinda want the boost :drool

assuming they pay for a carb sticker...

[derbo]

As long as OBDII readiness is good, I should be okay ;)

[Vas]

Boost is addicting

[flavo]

I thought this was going to be less then the TS1? That one states ~285 @ the wheels which is less then this set up. I'm confused, did I miss read something somewhere?
I'm a FI newb, what am I missing?

[derbo]

any updates on this :)

[bullfrogs_M3]

Sorry guys, been MIA from the forum for a little while, busy at work :(

I am supposed to pick up the car on Friday and they should have updated Dyno sheets to give me as well as an install guide and (crosses fingers) an updated website. I still don't know cost or availability yet but they really wanted to get it ready to sell by the end of the year.

To answer your question flavo, yes this kit is putting down more power to the wheels than the TS1 kit was doing. This was very surprising and exciting for them as they were expecting closer numbers but this new vortech puts down a lot more power. They have it setup with 9.4lbs of boost with our 91 octane (sadly) that we have here in AZ. If you have better fuel, I am sure you will be able to get slightly better numbers. They did test it with (what we in AZ call) race fuel, which is 93 octane and tuned it for that, but I don't have the dyno numbers for that either yet.

[BimmerWill]

Sweet thanks for the update!

[bcleaver]

Neat

[derbo]

I like the 100whp extra. I want that :D

[CarbonZHP]

Pretty high boost.

I like that.

Boost is good.

[bullfrogs_M3]

UPDATE ..... Car is back in my hands.

First impressions
Damn dam DAYUM The throttle response on the car now is absolutely INSANE!!!!! I mean, this is what it felt like when I had my M3, there really is absolutely no need to plant my foot down for ANYTHING. Half throttle is more than enough for everyday driving, but I have dropped my foot a few times at 3-4K RPM and it flat out hauls ass.

It is kind of hard to explain the throttle response now but i'll try. If our normal ZHP's have a nice smooth(ish) throttle curve then this supercharger completely snaps it like a rubber band to an almost straight line instead of a curve. But the response is very clean and not sudden jerky at all, it is a very smooth linear response all the way up to the power band. But when i am in our power zone and I give it a little more gas? Watch out!!!! Because now it is completely awake and will both put you in your seat and a couple hundred feet of ground disappear under you in a heartbeat!

Feel free to ask me questions about the kit if you want. I think I can start talking more openly about it now. However, I still don't know exact dollar amounts yet, but I can tell you it will be cheaper than the TS1 kit and it puts down more power than the TS1 kit does as well. When they were tuning and dyno'ing the car, they said the ZHP torque settings are extremely friendly to this kit and that is the reason they were able to get a solid 100RWHP gain out of it. They are very excited about this kit and what it can do. As soon as I can get him to release the dyno sheets, i'll let everyone see. Also, install of this kit on our cars can be accomplished in probably about 3-4 hours tops.

[illirep]

I need one

[cakM3]

:drool :drool :drool :drool

[rguti153]

Fucking awsome

[wertyu78]

UPDATE ..... Car is back in my hands.

First impressions
Damn dam DAYUM The throttle response on the car now is absolutely INSANE!!!!! I mean, this is what it felt like when I had my M3, there really is absolutely no need to plant my foot down for ANYTHING. Half throttle is more than enough for everyday driving, but I have dropped my foot a few times at 3-4K RPM and it flat out hauls ass.

It is kind of hard to explain the throttle response now but i'll try. If our normal ZHP's have a nice smooth(ish) throttle curve then this supercharger completely snaps it like a rubber band to an almost straight line instead of a curve. But the response is very clean and not sudden jerky at all, it is a very smooth linear response all the way up to the power band. But when i am in our power zone and I give it a little more gas? Watch out!!!! Because now it is completely awake and will both put you in your seat and a couple hundred feet of ground disappear under you in a heartbeat!

Feel free to ask me questions about the kit if you want. I think I can start talking more openly about it now. However, I still don't know exact dollar amounts yet, but I can tell you it will be cheaper than the TS1 kit and it puts down more power than the TS1 kit does as well. When they were tuning and dyno'ing the car, they said the ZHP torque settings are extremely friendly to this kit and that is the reason they were able to get a solid 100RWHP gain out of it. They are very excited about this kit and what it can do. As soon as I can get him to release the dyno sheets, i'll let everyone see. Also, install of this kit on our cars can be accomplished in probably about 3-4 hours tops.


This with my mods.... oh my! I want to go for a ride in your car!

[NoVAphotog]

:drool :drool :drool

In for more videos when you get a chance and/or are able to share.

[flavo]

Fucking awsome

So Much Want

[rguti153]

More info ..!!!

[derbo]

So much want. What kind of psi are we talking about?

[wertyu78]

So much want. What kind of psi are we talking about?

Too much for you, junior.


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[flavo]

Speaking of boost quantity. What would need to be done other then preventative maintenance to 100K+ engine to run this without too much fear of ruining something?

[derbo]

Too much for you, junior.


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LOL :P

[az3579]

Speaking of boost quantity. What would need to be done other then preventative maintenance to 100K+ engine to run this without too much fear of ruining something?

Yeah I've always wondered about running this on higher mileage engines as well. I figure by the time I can afford this I'll have close to 300k on mine (just give me a couple of years :) ) so the plan was to buy one and then rebuild the engine, then slap on the kit. Soooo much $$ though to do all that... [sigh]

[BimmerWill]

Speaking of boost quantity. What would need to be done other then preventative maintenance to 100K+ engine to run this without too much fear of ruining something?
Leakdown test would be a first indicator on what state your rings/pistons and valves are in. Similar to a compression test but it determines how much compression is lost not just how much it will build up to.

Others might have further tests but that would be where I'd start.

[wsmeyer]

Blackstone oil report couldn't hurt. Will give you a general idea of engine health.

[flavo]

Thanks folks. I'll put those on the books for future use.

[bullfrogs_M3]

I'll try to get the exact boost number from the guys this weekend and update you all.

As far as high mileage goes, I am sitting right at 104700 on the clock when I got the car back. So I am relatively (or should I say realistically) high mileage but am on top of maintenance, like most of us are on the board here. In fact, I am pretty anal on my maintenance and do stuff even though it may not need it, like plugs and filters every time I change oil every 4-5K miles. All in all though, I don't think this kit is two things:

1. Aggressive - Could they squeeze more power out of the unit and pull higher numbers to the wheels? Absolutely!!! But what they (ESS) wants it to have a very very easily installed kit that is a very very drivable and user friendly; i.e.: no need for boost gauge or oil coolers
2. Invasive - As with the first point, the kit can be installed in less than 4 hours with minimal changes to the engine bay. All that needs to be removed from stock is the stock (or other ) intake and the injectors replaced with the higher flow ones they send. The system is also very easily disassembled and pulled out if need be. For those of us with ZHP's we will need to send in our ECU's to them to have them program, as of yet (and don't quote me on this one till I can confirm), I don't believe they have a OBDII programmer for this kit.

[flavo]

I really want this :-)

And thank you for all the info.

[derbo]

Thank you for being a guinea pig for this. I seriously will consider this for a short term fling ;)

[wertyu78]

I'll try to get the exact boost number from the guys this weekend and update you all.

As far as high mileage goes, I am sitting right at 104700 on the clock when I got the car back. So I am relatively (or should I say realistically) high mileage but am on top of maintenance, like most of us are on the board here. In fact, I am pretty anal on my maintenance and do stuff even though it may not need it, like plugs and filters every time I change oil every 4-5K miles. All in all though, I don't think this kit is two things:

1. Aggressive - Could they squeeze more power out of the unit and pull higher numbers to the wheels? Absolutely!!! But what they (ESS) wants it to have a very very easily installed kit that is a very very drivable and user friendly; i.e.: no need for boost gauge or oil coolers
2. Invasive - As with the first point, the kit can be installed in less than 4 hours with minimal changes to the engine bay. All that needs to be removed from stock is the stock (or other ) intake and the injectors replaced with the higher flow ones they send. The system is also very easily disassembled and pulled out if need be. For those of us with ZHP's we will need to send in our ECU's to them to have them program, as of yet (and don't quote me on this one till I can confirm), I don't believe they have a OBDII programmer for this kit.

This kit, headers, more boost, and some E85 :))))


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[CarbonZHP]

An OBD remote tune would be insanely awesome

[Fat-Ham]

Any word on when this will be released?


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[bullfrogs_M3]

I go to the shop on Friday for pictures and final sign off on the review I have written up for them. There are a lot of missing details from my review that I sent to them. Like actual Dyno numbers (and sheets), pricing, HP, torque, install time, install instructions, etc....

Once they have filled all that info out for me, I will be putting up an official Review thread on here, E46fanatics, Bimmerforum, etc.... Pics will also be updated on their Facebook page and website as well.

The kit will officially be for sale when I post up the review threads on the internet (i assume since i will be posting up prices)

[Fat-Ham]

Boner marathon :)


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[rguti153]

Holly shit, I'm ready !!

[Fat-Ham]

If it's under 4grand. Sold


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[BimmerWill]

Can't wait to read the full review!

[rguti153]

Any updates

[illirep]

If it's under 4grand. Sold


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I guess it won't be as cheap as we are all thinking / hoping...

[rguti153]

5k would be a heart breaking price , we would see

[Fat-Ham]

With the prices of most of these forced induction products, yet they're saying it will be cheaper... My guess is between 3500-4500


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[illirep]

Anything beginning with a $3 is a win. I'm not holding my breath for that however

[bullfrogs_M3]

Sorry guys, I got tied up at work and couldn't get over there on Friday. Shooting for tomorrow to get down there. Will post up as soon as I have more information to pass along

[rguti153]

Would be waiting lol

[derbo]

:waiting :)

[bullfrogs_M3]

Well, with the holidays and everything I didn't get a chance to get over there yet, but will shoot for Friday again. HOWEVER I will (partially) answer this question....


Anything beginning with a $3 is a win. I'm not holding my breath for that however

Yes, the numbers start with a $3 but just barely.

I'll also put a dyno sheet shortly.
*EDIT: Dyno Sheet:
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/ZHPVT1_zpsdc554010.jpg

[Pip]

That's an impressive dyno sheet.

[bullfrogs_M3]

That's an impressive dyno sheet.

And the boost pressure that I am running is far from aggressive. So it's only uphill from there if I really want more power.

[rguti153]

Well, with the holidays and everything I didn't get a chance to get over there yet, but will shoot for Friday again. HOWEVER I will (partially) answer this question....



Yes, the numbers start with a $3 but just barely.

I'll also put a dyno sheet shortly.
*EDIT: Dyno Sheet:
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/artimasJC/ZHPVT1_zpsdc554010.jpg
Mama

[bullfrogs_M3]

i'll also add this (and it will be in my review thread coming after I go to ESS):

I bump up too and off my redline WAY to fast and WAY to easily :(
That and my traction control lights up VERY fast in first and second gear

[ryankokesh]

i'll also add this (and it will be in my review thread coming after I go to ESS):

I bump up too and off my redline WAY to fast and WAY to easily :(
That and my traction control lights up VERY fast in first and second gear

Must be hard...

[wsmeyer]

i'll also add this (and it will be in my review thread coming after I go to ESS):

I bump up too and off my redline WAY to fast and WAY to easily :(
That and my traction control lights up VERY fast in first and second gear

That's awful. You should definitely uninstall that thing and give it to me

[illirep]

That's awful. You should definitely uninstall that thing and give it to me

Hilarious!

[az3579]

That's awful. You should definitely uninstall that thing and give it to BP

Fixed.



Do you have any acceleration videos showing the speedometer? Nothing like a little visual to put it all into perspective. :)

[derbo]

i'll also add this (and it will be in my review thread coming after I go to ESS):

I bump up too and off my redline WAY to fast and WAY to easily :(
That and my traction control lights up VERY fast in first and second gear

Does this disable the DISA valve? I noticed there is a minor dip in the 4100rpm.

The funny thing is, when you throw the M3 LSD in, your gears are EVEN shorter.

[bullfrogs_M3]

Does this disable the DISA valve? I noticed there is a minor dip in the 4100rpm.

The funny thing is, when you throw the M3 LSD in, your gears are EVEN shorter.

This is a good question and I really don't know about the DISA valve. I may just need to replace the DISA as I haven't checked it, in about 30K miles. I think there is a more robust DISA valve out there? Or at least I saw a better than stock one. Maybe it was the one on DR Vanos that I was thinking of.

[danewilson77]

This is a good question and I really don't know about the DISA valve. I may just need to replace the DISA as I haven't checked it, in about 30K miles. I think there is a more robust DISA valve out there? Or at least I saw a better than stock one. Maybe it was the one on DR Vanos that I was thinking of.
German Auto Solutions (GAS).

"No flamesuit required"

[derbo]

German Auto Solutions (GAS).

"No flamesuit required"

What he said.



I was more curious as the ESS TS system deletes it.

[az3579]

I am curious; what is the naming scheme for this new product? Is it still a TS?

[bullfrogs_M3]

No, the TS designation stands for "Twin Screw". This is a vortech system so it has a "VT" prefix to it.

The actual model name will be called:
ESS M54/52 VT1

[derbo]

I hope OBDII readiness testing can be "passed"

[az3579]

No, the TS designation stands for "Twin Screw". This is a vortech system so it has a "VT" prefix to it.

The actual model name will be called:
ESS M54/52 VT1

Oh, I didn't know it was a Vortech system (maybe I missed it in an earlier post or forgot).
I'm OK with that! I think a Vortech system would be better on gas mileage and provide upper end power. I don't have a problem with upper end power since I usually don't go below 4k RPM on the track anyway. :)

[bullfrogs_M3]

..........I don't have a problem with upper end power since I usually don't go below 4k RPM on the track anyway. :)

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56834596.jpg

lol just kidding

[derbo]

LOL.

[az3579]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56834596.jpg

lol just kidding

Hell yeah...

[derbo]

Hell yeah...

With that kind of torque and a 3.62 Rear end, I'm sure you will see 3000RPM sometimes. :)

[az3579]

With that kind of torque and a 3.62 Rear end, I'm sure you will see 3000RPM sometimes. :)

With a 3.62 rear end, I'll be getting passed constantly because of having to shift every second. :rolleyes

3.62 ain't for me, brah.

[Hornung418]

With a 3.62 rear end, I'll be getting passed constantly because of having to shift every second. :rolleyes

3.62 ain't for me, brah.
If I had a nickle...we get it.

"You don't have to blow out my candle just to make yours shine brighter."

[derbo]

With a 3.62 rear end, I'll be getting passed constantly because of having to shift every second. :rolleyes

3.62 ain't for me, brah.

LOLLLL

[bcleaver]

That and my traction control lights up VERY fast in first and second gear

That's no problem, you can turn that off.

[Aamerh90]

Any update on a release date or formal product information?

[LivesNearCostco]

Derbo, when you gave me a ride around the track, your shifting looked quite frantic compared to mine! But then your lap times were shorter too.

LOLLLL

[rguti153]

So what ever happen to this?

[illirep]

Are they not going to release this until the twin screw's sell out since they are discontinued and these will cannibalize sales of them?

[rguti153]

Sounds about right

[ZHP Dave]

I had been waiting on this since I first saw the thread. No news at all, so I went ahead and spent the money on the S2000. Oh well, maybe some other time.

[illirep]

Sort of crazy this must time has passed with no tangible release date. I can see if R&D isn't complete, but you would think they would start marketing the product, spreading the word, creating buzz ahead of time...

[illirep]

Just checked back to first thread, I knew it was a while ago, didn't realize it was over two years. That is ludicrous

[rguti153]

It was two years ago but all the updated info is from last year in September. But still anybody home ... hello

[danewilson77]

Time flies.

"No flamesuit required"

[cakM3]

Didn't realize it was two years now....

[danewilson77]

I almost don't believe it.

"No flamesuit required"

[rguti153]

N nothing what the hell

[illirep]

Anyone personally know bullfrog to get an update


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[rguti153]

whatever happened to this

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[sillieidiot]

I'm pretty sure they are done. It's listed on the ESS site.

http://esstuning.com/ess-m52tu-m54-vt1-supercharger-system/

[CarbonZHP]

Looks pretty good

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[ryankokesh]

Well, that's a lot of dollars.

[danewilson77]

Bump

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