Jon's '03 Alpine White Sedan Project

[tkundhi]

Nice car Jon! I just read the entire thread from the OP. Very inspiring.

t.

[ELCID86]

Thanks for the replies guys. So far, really loving the mods. The car feels quick, but still completely drivable, and pretty unassuming to someone that wouldn't know any better.

I want a ride!

[PirateZHP]

I want a ride!

+1

[JupiterBMW]

I want a ride!

If I could make this year's reunion, you'd get one... We're the winning rally team!!!


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[ELCID86]

If I could make this year's reunion, you'd get one... We're the winning rally team!!!



Still not in the cards?

[JupiterBMW]

Still not in the cards?

Nope definitely going to miss it. Early May will be the beginning of my trip at sea.


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[JupiterBMW]

Ok, the latest change is a set of H&R Springs... Here's a few pics! OP updated HERE (http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?8759-Jon-s-03-Alpine-White-Sedan-Project)!!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2192.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2192.jpg.html)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2189.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2189.jpg.html)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2186-Version2.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2186-Version2.jpg.html)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2183.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2183.jpg.html)

This last pic shows how the offsets look. I had a set of 10mm spacers on the back, but I've removed them to verify good fitment and also do a little more fender rolling. Then I will refit them and post more pics...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2194.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Car%20Pics/IMG_2194.jpg.html)

[MiniD]

Aaaand that's the best looking ZHP I've seen..

[JupiterBMW]

Aaaand that's the best looking ZHP I've seen..

Dude, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't own this car... Thanks for the compliment bro.. :thumbsup

[328ioc]

I know you were unsure about the rake but I think it looks superb.

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[danewilson77]

Looks good Joop.

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[JupiterBMW]

Thanks gents...

[ELCID86]

The hotness. Love it. Great new sig also.

[johnrando]

Really looks good. I'm used to the no rake on verts due to the rear hanging low, so that's my own personal choice... but if u like it, rock it. Love all the latest mods you've been doing.

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[JupiterBMW]

Yeah Rando, I didn't want too much, and I find this acceptable... I have to sort out my rubbing with the spacers before I go any lower in the back... We'll see...

Thanks Shawn... And thanks for the sig comments! :) New avatar too... :biggrin

[Avetiso]

Looks great, Jon. It really does. :) reminds me how much my car needs a drop.

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[Pip]

Jon you've made this car look incredible. Those wheels with the spacers and drop look awesome! Great lighting for the photos too because you can tell the paint has been cared for and just looks like it has depth. You have my favorite AW car on the forum. Nothing against the others, but the AW with sedan trim just makes my mouth water.

[PirateZHP]

Holy crap! Joop, this looks amazing!

[JupiterBMW]

Sean- thanks man... To be honest, in those pics, no spacers. I had a set of 10mm on the back, but still some rubbing, so until I get that taken care of, I'll run without them. But with the spacers... :drool

Matt- Thanks buddy!! Its been a bit of a long road, but she's getting there!

[johnrando]

Yeah Rando, I didn't want too much, and I find this acceptable... I have to sort out my rubbing with the spacers before I go any lower in the back... We'll see...

Thanks Shawn... And thanks for the sig comments! :) New avatar too... :biggrin

I think it looks fantastic regardless of where the rear height ends up.

[328ioc]

I think it looks fantastic regardless of where the rear height ends up.

Well duh....its got 4 doors and a roof......:-)

Jk Rando.

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[derbo]

Joop,

Car looks incredible. I know I don't need new rims, but you make me want these rims!! I personally not used to a rake either but I am starting to like fender to top of wheel gap to be even now for clearance..

[johnrando]

Well duh....its got 4 doors and a roof......:-)

Jk Rando.

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LOL. I said fantastic. I didn't say super fan-tas-tu-lick-it, which is superior and only used for a great looking vert. :)

[JupiterBMW]

Joop,

Car looks incredible. I know I don't need new rims, but you make me want these rims!! I personally not used to a rake either but I am starting to like fender to top of wheel gap to be even now for clearance..

Thanks Derek... I got used to the slight take after my last car, which was the same situation... Perfect wheel gap, which led to slight rake... And so far, I'm okay with it here too…


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[Hornung418]

Those splitters though...

Mine are still sitting in my room waiting for Spring now that I have a new bumper on the car :)

[Imola.ZHP]

:thumbup:thumbup

[JupiterBMW]

Thanks guys...

[PirateZHP]

I keep coming back to this thread. I can't stay away. Maybe I should buy Bill's...

[QC_ZHP]

10/10 Joop. Love the wheel fitment. I may have missed it but are you rolling your own fenders?

[ELCID86]

I keep coming back to this thread. I can't stay away. Maybe I should buy Bill's...

DO IT.


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[JupiterBMW]

10/10 Joop. Love the wheel fitment. I may have missed it but are you rolling your own fenders?

Yes I did it at the mafia. Dane is sending me the mafia roller so I can get them in a little tighter. We shall see...


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[RVAzhp]

late to this party- where did you get the natural brown leather? from bmw?

[JupiterBMW]

late to this party- where did you get the natural brown leather? from bmw?

From my previous ZHP.


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[RVAzhp]

I was really hoping for a more magical answer. One day when I'm rich and famous and have tons of money I'll have natural brown in mine too...

The alpine white with brown interior is probably tied for my favorite BMW color combo with jet black with brown.


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[JupiterBMW]

I was really hoping for a more magical answer. One day when I'm rich and famous and have tons of money I'll have natural brown in mine too...

The alpine white with brown interior is probably tied for my favorite BMW color combo with jet black with brown.


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Haha, well, the long format of that story is that my original ZHP was a true AW/NB sedan... But, sadly, I totaled it and now have this car, which originally had black leather. I managed to save the NB interior from my last car (swapped in some black, non sport leather)...

Anyway, this is my favorite combo, so thanks. Black with NB would look good too, but no thanks trying to keep a black car clean...

[gmurphy]

So do you still love the E82 knob? I'm considering getting one.


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[JupiterBMW]

So do you still love the E82 knob? I'm considering getting one.


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Oh for sure... Those two knobs are one of my favorite mods...

[gmurphy]

Oh for sure... Those two knobs are one of my favorite mods...

Thanks. It's about 2X the price of the ZHP knob but the E82 knob looks chunkier and more useable.


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[JupiterBMW]

Thanks. It's about 2X the price of the ZHP knob but the E82 knob looks chunkier and more useable.


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Yeah, it weighs twice as much as my stock ZHP knob... The shape (to me) is better as well. Price is worth it IMO.

[RVAzhp]

Thanks. It's about 2X the price of the ZHP knob but the E82 knob looks chunkier and more useable.


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I have the BMW performance shift knob and like it as well. It's ~$100 ish if I remember correctly.


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[JupiterBMW]

I have the BMW performance shift knob and like it as well. It's ~$100 ish if I remember correctly.


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Yeah I've heard that some people like it, but I have also heard from others that it's too small and not very comfortable.

Shift knobs are like shoes, everyone has their own fit. :biggrin


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[ELCID86]

I tried to update the address in P/S. :-)

12861

[az3579]

I tried to update the address in P/S. :-)

12861

Want. To. Hump.


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[JupiterBMW]

Nicely done Shawn!! BP, no humping allowed, she's a one man kinda girl.


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[danewilson77]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0S642NtHtE

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[JupiterBMW]

Geezus, you went there...


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[danewilson77]

Geezus, you went there...


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Yep. I actually watched that episode on TV. Freaked me out a tad.

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[JupiterBMW]

Yep. I actually watched that episode on TV. Freaked me out a tad.

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+1... I thought to myself, so while he's telling his Dad, he's basically getting it on with the car... Sick.


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[328ioc]

Wow.......

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[midlandtech]

+1... I thought to myself, so while he's telling his Dad, he's basically getting it on with the car... Sick.


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Dude that's exactly what I was thinking

taptalk + Note 3

[Imola.ZHP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0S642NtHtE

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There are a lot of "different" people out there. I watched a review of the M235i yesterday in which the reviewer (from somewhere across the pond) at one point started saying "spank my bum, spank it" he was moaning and groaning too; I think he enjoying the drive a little too much.

/hijack

[PirateZHP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0S642NtHtE

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W...T...F...

[JupiterBMW]

Geezus I suppose it's time for me to post pics to get this thread back on track...


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[PirateZHP]

Geezus I suppose it's time for me to post pics to get this thread back on track...


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I would rather see AW/NB than hear about some dude having sexual relations with his car!

[JupiterBMW]

Alright, so the latest update was a set of brakes... I did all of the basics with a few extras as well. Initial reactions are great. The brakes are quiet and even after the whole weekend at Sebring, I have very little dust. The pedal was really firm, but after I did the bedding process of the pads, the pedal is a little soft. I think I need to bleed them again, and then I should be good to go. Overall though, really happy with them! Specs as follows.

Stoptech/Centric cross drilled rotors
Stoptech Ultimate Street pads
Stoptech stainless braided lines
New front calipers
New caliper clips (for that shiny look!)
Turner Motorsport Brass Caliper Bushing Upgrade Kit

Step 1: Remove all the old parts... Thoroughly clean the hub, a very light film of never seize and install the new rotors.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2271.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2271.jpg.html)

Step 2: Clean up and paint the calipers... Mostly for aesthetics, but also makes cleaning them easier, and gives them a great look.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2272.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2272.jpg.html)

Step 3: Fit the brass bushings. Such a nice product!
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2273.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2273.jpg.html)

Step 4: Put the calipers back on, don't scratch the paint!
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2274.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2274.jpg.html)

Step 5: Install the stainless brake lines and bleed the brakes. Then install the wear sensors and caliper spring clips.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2275.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2275.jpg.html)

Step 6: Put the wheels back on and admire the much improved look!
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2278.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/Brakes%20Install/IMG_2278.jpg.html)



Ok, so there was a lot more than 6 simple steps, but those are all the pics I have... :rofl :biggrin

[wsmeyer]

Looks good!

[Avetiso]

Any reason outside of preference for mountain them against the grain?

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[04330i]

Wow, your ZHP looks great! Love the white paint but more importantly, that gorgeous brown interior. I have the gray leather interior and have always wanted the brown leather interior. BMW did a great job with the design of that color of interior!

[johnrando]

Awesome.

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[Vas]

Those brass fittings press in and are held with a snap ring?

[JupiterBMW]

Any reason outside of preference for mountain them against the grain?

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The rotors are designated left and right. The holes on the rotor face and not "directional" to the point where it matters. The important part is the cooling vanes between the two rotor faces. That being said, the front rotors on our cars have radial cooling vanes (which means they are straight from the center outward). The rear rotors on the other hand have direction cooling vanes, and they are such that when rotating in the forward direction, the vanes will curve from the center, outwards. There are pics online, or I can explain more if you need.


Wow, your ZHP looks great! Love the white paint but more importantly, that gorgeous brown interior. I have the gray leather interior and have always wanted the brown leather interior. BMW did a great job with the design of that color of interior!


Awesome.

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Thanks gents!! I do love her!


Those brass fittings press in and are held with a snap ring?
Well, they were a pretty snug fit on their own, the snap ring is just there in case they slide towards that end. But, no, there won't be any force loading on the snap ring...

[Avetiso]

Thanks! I just wasn't sure it you did that because of the vanes or because you preferred it that way.

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[JupiterBMW]

Thanks! I just wasn't sure it you did that because of the vanes or because you preferred it that way.

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Yeah they were specified L and R. I didn't really care, would've put them however they were specified. But, I like them this way. I'll try and get some better pics. It's photoshoot time soon anyway. :)


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[JupiterBMW]

Time to BUMP this thread... I haven't seen my car in 2 and a half months, I miss her... Besides, I figured it was time to drop a teaser pic of the secret project I've been working on for months now....

So, here you go... :rofl More pics will come as I get closer to completion. I will be home in 10 days where I can do some REAL work on the project to get it done, and then I'll do a full reveal.

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[3ZHP]

I see fingers


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[JupiterBMW]

That sounds dirty...

[Hornung418]

Something small...and has three holes like the power steering pump..

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[JupiterBMW]

Power steering? No...

[Avetiso]

It looks like a cupholder.

[JupiterBMW]

I have to be honest, it amuses me to hear you guys guess about the parts... Trust me though, I am super super anxious to post ALL the pics and tell of my new mod... But, I want to wait until full completion...

[poke08]

I've gotta swing by when you finish everything, it's been a while.

[NorCal-Dimitri]

It looks like a cupholder.

"What is this, a cupholder for ants!?"

[johnrando]

Lol. Hope it goes well.

[328ioc]

I like where this is going. Nice teaser shot.

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[wsmeyer]

I think it's a doll holder for the backseat.

[Vas]

What if it is a homemade electric supercharger...

[derbo]

What if it is a homemade electric supercharger...

better be centrifugal one!

[JupiterBMW]

You guys are ridiculous. Maybe I could post a more revealing teaser... Hmmm


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[330i ZHP]

NASCAR style restrictor plate

[Hornung418]

Is it a secondary 12v outlet?

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[328ioc]

Is it a secondary 12v outlet?

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Crap Jon.....he's knows about our beer fridge idea....

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[ELCID86]

You guys are ridiculous. Maybe I could post a more revealing teaser... Hmmm


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+1. #stumped


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[ELCID86]

:foottap:foottap:foottap:begging:begging:begging

[JupiterBMW]

Details coming soon. I am home and can now work to finish the project... Patience!


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[derbo]

Glad you are home safe Joop! :)

[Hornung418]

Man...not even a hint!! I've been anxious about this secret project ever since you spilled the beans. Ranks up there with Dane's teasers!!

Glad you are home safe and sound.

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[330i ZHP]

He told me what he was working on...enough request and I will show you

[Hornung418]

PM me?

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[330i ZHP]

He loves the look of the detail Buick adds to there upper line cars - so he is making his own custom (but functional) side vents

http://i.b5z.net/i/ui/4000204/i/ec/Park-Avenue-Fender-Port-Holes_i2.jpg

[Hornung418]

Similar to the M cars I assume? I would like the vents but without the badging. Maybe just the M because its all over the car lol

Joopy, can't wait to see the finished product!!

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[gmurphy]

He loves the look of the detail Buick adds to there upper line cars - so he is making his own custom (but functional) side vents

http://i.b5z.net/i/ui/4000204/i/ec/Park-Avenue-Fender-Port-Holes_i2.jpg

:rofl


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[328ioc]

He loves the look of the detail Buick adds to there upper line cars - so he is making his own custom (but functional) side vents

http://i.b5z.net/i/ui/4000204/i/ec/Park-Avenue-Fender-Port-Holes_i2.jpg

Lol that would be hilarious.

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[Torxuvin]

:facepalm

[JupiterBMW]

Dammit Stu, you gave away my secrets... :facepalm :biggrin


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[330i ZHP]

Sorry, Hornung bribed me

[derbo]

hahahahhaha

[Avetiso]

:rofl

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[EricZHP]

JupiterBMW, beautiful car, spent the last hour and a half going through this whole thread, all of your mods are exceptionally tasteful, looking forward to an update on your latest mod, cheers.

[JupiterBMW]

JupiterBMW, beautiful car, spent the last hour and a half going through this whole thread, all of your mods are exceptionally tasteful, looking forward to an update on your latest mod, cheers.

Thanks so much Eric... I honestly have been sidetracked lately, so I haven't had a chance to do any more mods, but I will get on my project this week and hopefully have updates very soon...

[ELCID86]

And did we ever get an explanation of the secret mod?

[JupiterBMW]

Nope not yet...

[ELCID86]

Nope not yet...
You had all that free time! :rofl

[328ioc]

If only you could fit a ZHP in Hospital room.

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[JupiterBMW]

Yeah seriously...

[JupiterBMW]

Secret mod project picture hint #2.... http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/31/7u3u4uvy.jpg

[wertyu78]

Secret mod project picture hint #2.... http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/31/7u3u4uvy.jpg

just tell us DAMMMIT! :)

[EricZHP]

I've got nothing, looks like a plug (page 57), I'm guessing your dressing up something in the engine compartment???


Time to BUMP this thread... I haven't seen my car in 2 and a half months, I miss her... Besides, I figured it was time to drop a teaser pic of the secret project I've been working on for months now....

So, here you go... :rofl More pics will come as I get closer to completion. I will be home in 10 days where I can do some REAL work on the project to get it done, and then I'll do a full reveal.

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[ZHPasta]

I know! I know! But...I'll never tell ;)

[danewilson77]

This is Joops way of crying for attention.

"Have white car....must tease with random mods for attention"

Love ya buddy.

The friendliest forum on the planet!

[derbo]

This is Joops way of crying for attention.

"Have white car....must tease with random mods for attention"

Love ya buddy.

The friendliest forum on the planet!

:rofl

It's what happens to Joop when he is in the hospital for too long :X

[danewilson77]

It's what I like to call "WCOS" - Otherwise known as "White Car Ordinary Syndrome".

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[328ioc]

This is fun. Hopefully he will reveal it this weekend....:-(

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[az3579]

It's what I like to call "WCOS" - Otherwise known as "White Car Ordinary Syndrome".

The friendliest forum on the planet!

You mean "WCNSS - White Car Not Special Syndrome". :biggrin

(Even though his white car is my favorite ZHP on the forum, but don't tell him that!)

[JupiterBMW]

You guys are terrible... Dane, just trying to have fun with the fact that I don't want to reveal it until finished... But unfortunately, other stuff has gotten in the way and I haven't had ANY time to work on the project.

To be completely honest, I feel that its way less cool than the hype it has been given. Its a pretty neat mod, and one that I'm proud of... I just hope it all works out like I hope it will... I've actually installed part of it already, but if I showed a pic, it'd give everything away...

So, be patient, and let me suffer from WCOS as Dane likes to call it... :facepalm :biggrin

Oh, and BP... If you love it so much, you should buy it. :thumbsup

[danewilson77]

Actually can't wait....either way.

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[JupiterBMW]

Ok, here's another teaser of sorts...

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[az3579]

Oh, and BP... If you love it so much, you should buy it. :thumbsup

Sorry, but it's not Sahkir Orange, doesn't have an S55 engine, and sure as hell isn't as fast as one. :biggrin

[JupiterBMW]

If you tell me you want a 2 door , we aren't friends. Fugly...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/01/a4uvyner.jpg

[az3579]

If you tell me you want a 2 door , we aren't friends. Fugly...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/01/a4uvyner.jpg

I hope you're joking...


4. All. The. Way.
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/f80-m3-sakhirorange1-750x500.jpg

[danewilson77]

I hope you're joking...


4. All. The. Way.
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/f80-m3-sakhirorange1-750x500.jpg
Mmmm...

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[az3579]

Mmmm...

The friendliest forum on the planet!

I concur.

http://www.bimmerpost.com/storyimages/4c59d569-8a40-dae0.jpg


Wrong amount of doors but at least the color's right. :biggrin

[johnrando]

You mean "WCNSS - White Car Not Special Syndrome". :biggrin

(Even though his white car is my favorite ZHP on the forum, but don't tell him that!)
Ness didn't hear that thank goodness. [emoji1]

[az3579]

Ness didn't hear that thank goodness. [emoji1]

Can't deny Natural Brown... it has a hold on me. Yes, I'm Natural Brown's biotch. :(

[JupiterBMW]

BP, there's no denying the new ///M3, but the ///M4 is just ugly. The SO one you posted is beautiful, I would go for it for sure. And rando, its ok, your car is my favorite automatic vert.. [emoji16]

[Torxuvin]

I prefer the 4 door as well. It actually has bigger fender flares. The regular 4 series is wider than the regular 3, so there is more to make up for. It actually looks good in red... :shifty

[johnrando]

BP, there's no denying the new ///M3, but the ///M4 is just ugly. The SO one you posted is beautiful, I would go for it for sure. And rando, its ok, your car is my favorite automatic vert.. [emoji16]

LOL!

[JupiterBMW]

Well, I finally have an update for this thread! Of course, no pics, so really not that exciting... BUT, I managed to pick up a 3.46 rear differential from a local source, so I changed the seals, swapped the flanges, and filled it with fresh Redline 75W90 gear oil... The thing is buttery smooth, quiet, and seems to be in great condition. And the new ratio really woke the car up. Definitely feels a lot snappier, and it seems to pull harder in the top end of the rev range. Of course, the car isn't any faster, but the quicker rev is really fun. Definitely think the ZHP should have had this ratio from the factory... :thumbsup

[3ZHP]

Nice, is it LSD or just gear change?

[derbo]

Well, I finally have an update for this thread! Of course, no pics, so really not that exciting... BUT, I managed to pick up a 3.46 rear differential from a local source, so I changed the seals, swapped the flanges, and filled it with fresh Redline 75W90 gear oil... The thing is buttery smooth, quiet, and seems to be in great condition. And the new ratio really woke the car up. Definitely feels a lot snappier, and it seems to pull harder in the top end of the rev range. Of course, the car isn't any faster, but the quicker rev is really fun. Definitely think the ZHP should have had this ratio from the factory... :thumbsup


Sometimes I think I should've went this route with a aftermarket LSD. :)

In theory, the 3.46 ratio is 12% faster acceleration, and the 3.62 is 18% than the 3.07

[ELCID86]

Congrats on the new gears. Several of is got to drive a 3.62 w/LSD on Sat. Very nice setup.

What'd ya do with the old one Jon?

[JupiterBMW]

Thanks for the replies guys. The diff is not an LSD, just an open diff, but for $100, I couldn't pass it up. For the driving I do in Florida, the money for an LSD is a complete waste...

As for the old diff, sitting in my garage. Its for sale to anyone that wants it...

[johnrando]

Very nice on the Diff. How your "special" project going?

[cakM3]

Joop, probably the best $100 you have spent so far regarding the improved "fun factor" for your ZHP. I bet you really love going on the on-ramps now :biggrin

[JupiterBMW]

Rando- heh, it's coming, slowly.

Charlie- hah, I almost never go on the highway. But around town is even better!n

[JupiterBMW]

Ok, the super secret mod project is done... At least for the time being. And just like I expected, after all of the teaser pics and hype, well, I am frustrated to say that the project isn't done, Its honestly not even really close now, at least not all of it... What is the project you ask??

///M3 Mirrors

Wait, seriously!?! That's it?? Well, yes and no... Let's try again...

Power folding, sedan fitment (no door or mirror base triangle modification needed), carbon fiber ///M3 mirrors

Ok, how's that?? :biggrin

Details in the next post, with pics. :biggrin

[JupiterBMW]

Firstly, let me apologize as I know this is a long read and the end result is pretty much a let down. I will get this project 100%, just will take time to acquire the correct parts. I'm pretty bummed that it didn't come together 100%, but I'll get it done soon enough...


Ok, so a while back, I bought a set of CF mirror caps for the OEM ZHP mirrors. I never had a huge desire to do ///M3 mirrors on my car as they were just too expensive, and while they looked great, I felt I had other, better places to spend car money. But, the carbon fiber caps seemed good. Well of course, eBay part, eGay quality... So, they came off the car as quickly as they went on. But, by now, I was somewhat hooked... The next thing that hooked my desire was a free pair of M3 mirrors in the pay it forward thread, a set that I was lucky enough to grab. Well, sure enough I received them and they were not only beat up, but not OEM fitment. They were the unpopular (and understandably too) replica M5 "dumbo ear" mirrors... Yep, they were ugly. So, they sat on a shelf until I helped Devlin retrofit his M3 mirrors. When finished, I saw the look and knew I had to have it. So I started to mess around with the mirrors I had... Then I noticed something, there were wires sticking out... Hmm, why? Well, turns out these mirrors had power folding motors. Hmm I thought. The bases looked correct, and they fit a sedan perfectly, so I wondered if I could make a set of frankenstein mirrors using OEM housings with these base triangles..

Project launched!!

First step was determine what I needed to keep or throw away... Base triangles and motor assemblies were kept, the rest wouldn't fit into the OEM shells I would get.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2744.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2744.jpg.html)

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Here's a pic of the folding motor assemblies completely opened up. I inspected and cleaned everything and verified the motors worked.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2765.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2765.jpg.html)

So now it was time to start acquiring parts. First I would need the mirror housing arms and the adjustment motor plates. I was able to get these from a guy on one of the forums. I also purchased a pair of CF shells from Turner Motorsport as I wanted CF mirrors to round out the other CF I have on the car.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2909.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2909.jpg.html)

Now, start making it work... Keep in mind, I was on the ship doing this, so I didn't have a car for perfect fitment, nor did I have ALL of the parts to ensure correct fitment. But, I had a full shop with infinite resources for making stuff. The only part left (aside from glass) was the adapter plates for the adjustment motors. I saw many people making them out of plastic, whether it be thin plexiglass or other cutouts, but to me, this wasn't good enough. So, I used some thin sheet metal to make mine. It would be absolutely permanent, and more rigid.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2884.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2884.jpg.html)

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So with that done, it was time to see if I could mate all the parts and actually make them function. Which I did, everything seemed to be working ok.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2910.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_2910.jpg.html)

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Somewhere along the way while on the ship, I also acquired this little guy, brand new on eBay! A good score...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_3148.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_3148.jpg.html)

Ok, so far so good... Now I just needed to get home from the ship so I could work with the car. Still lots to do... Once I got home, the first thing to do was paint work on the triangles because they were in pretty bad shape...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_3153.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_3153.jpg.html)

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With that completed, it was time to get everything mounted up, glass installed (ordered the wide angle lenses about a week ago, received them yesterday, and test things out...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_3208.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_3208.jpg.html)

Improvise when you're all alone and realize you can't reach the tools on the bench at a critical moment!!! :biggrin

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So once I physically got everything installed and fairly well situated, it was time for the electronics. One thing I learned and was pretty happy about is that the power folding motor connections are already installed in our cars. There is an extra connector inside the mirror that controls the extra motors. Lovely, now I don't have to run wires into the doors. And then there's coding. Actually not too big of a deal. First, I had to add the correct option to my VO and then turn on the features. I turned on the main folding feature, as well as the fold during lock/unlock (comfort access). Wow, way too easy I thought... But sure enough, a quick test of the new button on the door and they work!

Ok, all done right? Well, not really... Here's where the problems came up...

1. I found that the OEM housing arms have different stop points for motion than the aftermarket motors I have. So, the mirrors fold up into the stowed position just fine, but if allowed to unfold, they will just keep rolling around until they're all upside and backwards... After very detailed investigation with Devlin, I realized there is NO fixing it. Its a design difference in the parts. Completely halted my folding dreams, at least for now. Devlin had to seriously talk me off the ledge on Sunday!!

2. Even after countless hours with these mirrors, I never damaged a ribbon cable, until tonight, ripped the passenger side one... So now that mirror has ZERO electrical power, which also means I lost my courtesy tilt when it reverse.

3. I realized that when I made up the plates for the mirror housings, I drilled the passenger side one backwards, which meant the adjustment motor unit was 180* out of whack. All operations were backward. Luckily, I was able to flip the motors around and redrill the holes...

So, where do I stand? Sadly, not where I want to. The mirrors don't fold, and now the passenger side one is completely out of commission. So, I'm in need of some ribbon motors at the moment. Also, the folding doesn't work, and will not work correctly until I get the right parts. That's ok, just need to think about it and figure out what my next steps are...

Until then, I do still have carbon fiber M3 mirrors. And I'm very pleased with the sedan fitment. Trim and stuff all sits and looks pretty awesome. I did a pretty decent job painting the base triangles, but probably not 110% perfect like I would like.

Overall, I'm pleased so far with the project... Very disappointed it wasn't 100% on the first try, but will give me something to hunt for next time I'm on the ship.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_3217.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/CF%20Folding%20M3%20Mirror%20Install/IMG_3217.jpg.html)

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Ok folks, that's basically it... But stay tuned, this project isn't over... :thumbsup

[gmurphy]

Well that's disappointing. ;).

[JupiterBMW]

Well that's disappointing. ;).

Read it again... :biggrin

[derbo]

Nice! Wish the folding worked properly!

[JupiterBMW]

Oh it will... I have close to 200 hours into these mirrors... You can bet your ass I will succeed... Now, it'll just cost me what a set of OEM M3 mirrors cost me in the beginning. But even then, I'll still have the carbon fiber and folding.

[poke08]

Those mirrors look great on your car. I was honestly looking into this EXACT project last night but as I read more, I learned that it wouldn't be doable without some modification and I definitely have no idea how to get any of that done lol. Big props to you!

I need to stop bullshitting and come see your car before I head back up.

[ELCID86]

Persistence! You CAN beat this! :biggrin Nice work so far. Sorry for the frustration--isn't that a given with cars in general?

[Hornung418]

This is a great update. I've had that idea now for a while. Glad you confirmed that it worked. Now I'm going to copy it, but with painted mirrors :)

[JupiterBMW]

This is a great update. I've had that idea now for a while. Glad you confirmed that it worked. Now I'm going to copy it, but with painted mirrors :)

:facepalm Seriously?

[Hornung418]

:facepalm Seriously?

Yeah. Something wrong with that? I never liked the cutting, hacking and the not-quite-exact fitment with coupe mirrors.

Figured that the M5 mirrors had the same angle on their base, which is obviously a direct e46 sedan fitment.

Sent from my GS3.

[JupiterBMW]

To be honest, I wouldn't recommend these aftermarket bases. I'm not too pleased with the sturdiness of the mirrors...

As for copying my mods, it's whatever. Just kind of a pet peeve when I spend hundreds of hours doing a custom mod and then a ton of people copy it over with hardly any effort. It's all good, I get over it.

[gmurphy]

Read it again... :biggrin

;) only joking. You actually did a fantastic job. It looks great. Well done.

[JupiterBMW]

;) only joking. You actually did a fantastic job. It looks great. Well done.

Thanks dude. :)

[328ioc]

That ledge was a big one and the diff was weighing you down too.

Glad we got you off it.



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[JupiterBMW]

Hah yeah it's been what 4-5 months trying to get these mirrors completed??

[328ioc]

Nah. Mine have only been on for ......well I was going to say 2 months but shit. I guess it has been 4 or 5 months.

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[JupiterBMW]

Yep...

[Hornung418]

As for copying my mods, it's whatever. Just kind of a pet peeve when I spend hundreds of hours doing a custom mod and then a ton of people copy it over with hardly any effort. It's all good, I get over it.

That's a silly mindset. You shared it with us and you don't want someone to replicate it? Are you expecting some kind of compensation for doing this?

Thanks for your hard work! :thumbsup

Sent from my GS3.

[JupiterBMW]

That's a silly mindset. You shared it with us and you don't want someone to replicate it? Are you expecting some kind of compensation for doing this?

Thanks for your hard work! :thumbsup

Sent from my GS3.

No man I just like having something different than everyone else, but thanks for the douchey response.

[Hornung418]

No man I just like having something different than everyone else, but thanks for the douchey response.

Because M3 mirrors on a sedan are so original. Whatever makes you feel good, bro.

Sent from my GS3.

[JupiterBMW]

You're not my bro. Go fuck yourself.

[danewilson77]

Interesting discussion. :shifty

Not really all that family oriented or in holding with the rules at ZHPMafia.com.

I'd appreciate it, if it stopped here.

I would say this, and I'm not taking sides here, but....we share mods here, so that others may gain the information to replicate, or to merely congratulate one another on a job well done.

If one does not want a particular mod replicated, just show us completed pics, and don't post a DIY.

[JupiterBMW]

Interesting discussion. :shifty

Not really all that family oriented or in holding with the rules at ZHPMafia.com.

I'd appreciate it, if it stopped here.

I would say this, and I'm not taking sides here, but....we share mods here, so that others may gain the information to replicate, or to merely congratulate one another on a job well done.

If one does not want a particular mod replicated, just show us completed pics, and don't post a DIY.

Agreed, just didn't appreciate the delivery of the comments. I'm over it. Thanks Dane.

[Torxuvin]

Interesting. Love the look. I wonder if there would be a way to stop or limit the motor engagement. I've seen applications on flip up headlights that limited the amount they opened by using shorter control arms. For some reason I'm having trouble visualizing what part is causing the increased movement.

[328ioc]

Cam,

There are no control arms or anything. The motors are barrel shaped as seen in the pics. And the outside of the motors are "keyed" to fit into the mirror arms.

Unfortunately the "keyed" part which double as the bump stop is off about 180°.

This is why it will stop in one position but spins much to far before it hits the bump stop going the other direction.

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[Torxuvin]

Ah, so it's intrinsic. That sucks.

[328ioc]

Ah, so it's intrinsic. That sucks.

Yep, it looks like its an issue because the motors are aftermarket. OEM motors should drop right in fine, the issue is now finding some.

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[COOS2]

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Without guys like you that can figure out how to make these kinds of mods work there would be a LOT of guys out there with plain old cars. (Or guys that would have to spend a ton of $$$ to pay someone else to do their maintenance/mods for them). I completely get that you want your car to be different than everyone else... But there's always going to be those that don't agree with what makes you happy (in my case it seems to be my decision to go with matte white paint :-)... Obviously none of that matters if you car is how you want it. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with all the mods you've done. When you finally get your mirrors figured out you can help me do mine, right? JK :-)

[328ioc]

Well said Coos.

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[gmurphy]

Thanks dude. :)

Very creative! I'm kind of jealous. I love the look. Maybe I can model them for a while on Silvergrau just to make sure they look ok ;)

[cakM3]

I've had OEM M3 side mirrors on my ZHP since before the 2nd reunion meet and still love the look of these mirrors. Wouldn't have it any other way. Glad to see Jon getting his done. They look awesome, especially with the carbon fiber mirror housings. Well done Joop!

[derbo]

Honestly, kudos to you Joop. I thought about doing a mirror install and figuring out a way to do it without drilling into the car. I think your solution works pretty well and I think once the kinks are out for the folding mirror you are set! :D

[az3579]

That looks friggin' great on the Alpine!

[QC_ZHP]

That looks friggin' great on the Alpine!

+1. Killer project Joop, came out great.

[Johal E32]

JupiterBMW is banned or something? says "bon voyage" under his name.. cool project with mirrors. Looks sharp.

[E_Rak]

JupiterBMW is banned or something? says "bon voyage" under his name.. cool project with mirrors. Looks sharp.

Possibly, but more probable DW gave Joop a time out!

[danewilson77]

Yeah. It's all good. We all need a break every now and then.

[johnrando]

And on a side note, man those mirrors look good!

[E_Rak]

And on a side note, man those mirrors look good!
Agreed!

[EricZHP]

Hey Shawn, you all drove a 3.46 with Limited Slip.

Congrats Jon, I love this ratio with the LSD, best mod out there imo.


Congrats on the new gears. Several of is got to drive a 3.62 w/LSD on Sat. Very nice setup.

What'd ya do with the old one Jon?

[ELCID86]

Hey Shawn, you all drove a 3.46 with Limited Slip.

Congrats Jon, I love this ratio with the LSD, best mod out there imo.

Thanks for clarifying Eric--you would know ;-) It was nice, whatever the ratio!

[Imola.ZHP]

Very nice!

[Vas]

So the saga has ended with this car? New owner took possession of it over the weekend?

[JupiterBMW]

New owner just took possession this afternoon.

[derbo]

Sad day, but happy you got pretty damn close to what you were asking! I can't say I would be able to anywhere near that kind of cash for mine. That new X5 looks BEAST.

[JupiterBMW]

Thanks Derek... i'll start a new thread on the X5 soon enough.

[derbo]

Thanks Derek... i'll start a new thread on the X5 soon enough.

Please do. :) I hope you get LED headlights if you dont have it already.

[JupiterBMW]

Nope, we have a 2010, so no LEDs, but I might look into them. I have other things to tackle first.

[Oli77]

Jon, I knew you got the X5 but didn't realize you sold the unicorn (until I read the thread from the new owner)!

Looking forward to your new thread on the X5.