Optimal Spacer Sizes

[ryankokesh]

So what would you folks recommend when it comes to spacer size with stock 135 wheels? I've heard 10mm front and 12mm rear works out pretty well. Any thoughts?

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[Crickett]

I've also heard from various Mafiosos that 12 mm front & 10 mm rear works well. I plan to start out trying that then swapping (10 front, 12 rear) if necessary.

[Vas]

In for results since I am curious.

Also has anybody swapped their zhp from wheel bolts to wheel studs ?

[M0nk3y]

In for results since I am curious.

Also has anybody swapped their zhp from wheel bolts to wheel studs ?

I'm not a ZHP, but I'm on wheel studs. I run Vorshlag Studs and nuts

[ryankokesh]

I've heard of this stud swap... What're the benefits?


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[M0nk3y]

I've heard of this stud swap... What're the benefits?


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Stupid fast tire changes.

For someone like me, I can change tires in 15 minutes (that includes getting the car in the air, tires out...etc).

With the wheel studs, you can just throw the tire on the studs, get one nut on the car. Once that one nut on the car, the whole wheel centers and you can zip through the other 4.

[ryankokesh]

Noice

[nike001]

10F/12R for me. Doesn't seem too bad. I plan on trying 12F/15R in the spring if I don't get new wheels

[Pip]

I run 12F/15R and I think it is about perfect. I don't know your suspension setup, but if you're on stock it should be fine.

[danewilson77]

I would go with TMS spacers, that way you can get the black lugs.

[Vas]

I'm not a ZHP, but I'm on wheel studs. I run Vorshlag Studs and nuts
How is the quality and fitment ?

[danewilson77]

Great quality I'm sure. Fitment is probably spot on...or else Kyle wouldn't be running it.

[nike001]

I would go with TMS spacers, that way you can get the black lugs.

I got silver lugs with mine and I have to say I like them better than my stock black ones. It looks quite a bit cleaner when looking at it..

[danewilson77]

Werd. Sounds good. I had my chrome BBS lugs on there last night and was thinking the same thing.....then I put the black one's back in. Yeah...it doesn't matter that much.

[nike001]

They are minute differences that probably no one would notice but you, but in the bigger picture I feel like it adds to the overall cleanliness of the car. That's just IMO though..

[ryankokesh]

I run 12F/15R and I think it is about perfect. I don't know your suspension setup, but if you're on stock it should be fine.

I'm stock now, but might eventually go for h&r sport. Would 12f/15r work for that?


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[ryankokesh]

I run 12F/15R and I think it is about perfect. I don't know your suspension setup, but if you're on stock it should be fine.

I'm stock now, but might eventually go for h&r sport. Would 12f/15r work for that?


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[nike001]

Yes

[UdubBadger]

20f/12r here... c'mon ry you know you want this...

[ryankokesh]

I always thought there should be more in the back, no?

You're also rubbing something or other all the time... prolly gonna stick to 12f/15r :)

[danewilson77]

I always thought there should be more in the back, no?

You're also rubbing something or other all the time... prolly gonna stick to 12f/15r :)

Lmao.

The only reason some go bigger in rear is usually with a square setup, to achieve a staggered look.

Heck....I think Johnny has larger spaces in front than he does in rear. Or maybe I'm thinking of Charlie.

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[ryankokesh]

So, if I'm running fatter 135's in the back, are they not gonna need to get pushed out this much?

I clearly have ZERO experience with this stuff. Trying to throw together a little Christmas list though :)

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[danewilson77]

So, if I'm running fatter 135's in the back, are they not gonna need to get pushed out this much?

I clearly have ZERO experience with this stuff. Trying to throw together a little Christmas list though :)

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Ry, you need to understand fitment and offset. Read up a bit in that fitment 101 thread.

What clearance do you have now...if you measure with a rule? Measure the outer clearance. Inner is impossible on the ground.

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[ryankokesh]

Good call. I'll report back.


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[UdubBadger]

I always thought there should be more in the back, no?

You're also rubbing something or other all the time... prolly gonna stick to 12f/15r :)

not on my stock rims. my summers i run 5f/0r and neither rub at all.

[Vas]

^^^ Fenders rolled and pulled?

[UdubBadger]

Ry, you need to understand fitment and offset. Read up a bit in that fitment 101 thread.

What clearance do you have now...if you measure with a rule? Measure the outer clearance. Inner is impossible on the ground.

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he could run more front than rear if he wanted to man up :p

[ryankokesh]

Well, I don't have a good ruler at the moment, but it looks like there's about 18 to 20 mm clearance up front and out back. That's kinda a rough estimate though. (I'll have to measure better later) So I'd probably play it safe and go with 12.5f/15r. I just don't know how the h&r sport springs will change things in the future. If they only lower it, I feel like that might be fine. I'm not sure if it changes the stance in any other way, though.


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[UdubBadger]

no and you should get an alignment after that anyway so you'll be fine. Anthony will do it for like $40. I need one too.

[UdubBadger]

^^^ Fenders rolled and pulled?

rolled yes

[UdubBadger]

ry I have 12's and bolts if you want to buy um (with lugs) and save a few bucks. I'm gonna get some 20's for the rear now that I'm running 225 square.

[ryankokesh]

The ecs ones?

[UdubBadger]

ya, comes with black bolts too

[johnrando]

Due to my vert and H&R Cup Kit, I do 12f/10r, but I still scrape some on the right rear, which I have to figure out. It didn't scrape w/o the spacers. Fenders are rolled, but not heavily.

[nike001]

Due to my vert and H&R Cup Kit, I do 12f/10r, but I still scrape some on the right rear, which I have to figure out. It didn't scrape w/o the spacers. Fenders are rolled, but not heavily.

I do as well. Only on bigger impacts or when I have someone in the back.. turns out that it's my bumper lining, it popped out when my fenders were rolled and I haven't had the time/can't figure out how it goes back in.

[johnrando]

So no scrape now w/o the bumper lining Dalton?

[nike001]

I haven't had the time to fix it.. Haha. I'll report back when I do

[UdubBadger]

Ok so I'm running 225 all around with 20mm spacers all around.

Lowered, rolled and no rubbin


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[mimalmo]

LOL. Everybody is always scared to run 20mm spacers. There's more room in those fenders than people think. Do a light roll in the back, shave the bumper bolt and you'll eliminate most issues.

[johnrando]

LOL. Everybody is always scared to run 20mm spacers. There's more room in those fenders than people think. Do a light roll in the back, shave the bumper bolt and you'll eliminate most issues.

Shave the bumper bolt? I hadn't heard of this. DIY somewhere handy (or I'll look it up)?

[UdubBadger]

I am enjoying the fruits of Eli's labor. ;)

[Pip]

Shave the bumper bolt? I hadn't heard of this. DIY somewhere handy (or I'll look it up)?

Not sure there is a DIY, but if you get your head up in there you'll see what Eli is talking about. If you choose to stick your head in there please be safe :). It is a little bolt that sticks out a little that can be shaved off for really aggressive stances.

I'm not sure on the tire sizes used by Eli but 20mm is def doable on stock rims, but I'd assume 225-235 tire size. I'm lowered with 235 tires with 15mm in rear and plenty of room. 12mm in front but wish I was out further now that I'm lowered. I'll try and snap some photos soon when it stops raining.

[danewilson77]

Ok so I'm running 225 all around with 20mm spacers all around.

Lowered, rolled and no rubbin


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But you know what they say.....

[JupiterBMW]

Just out of curiosity, you guys running such small tires... 225, 235?? Currently I've got my front wheels with 225s on the back just to see what the 8.5" rims would look like up front... I have to say, that small of a tire is ridiculous out back... I break them free at almost every intersection... And Devlin can attest, I'm not that hard of a driver...

You guys run that small just for fitment?? I'll be running 245s once my wheels arrive...

Anyway, back on topic... Not sure I'll need to space, maybe just a touch out back to keep the fitment looking even... We'll see.. :)

[UdubBadger]

I'm running 225 all around because its my winter set. Skinnier tires means more weight on a smaller surface area and that helps with traction in the snow.

trust me I would be running a le mans race with this kind of set up.

[JupiterBMW]

I'm running 225 all around because its my winter set. Skinnier tires means more weight on a smaller surface area and that helps with traction in the snow.

trust me I would be running a le mans race with this kind of set up.

Yeah, that makes sense I suppose. Not a lot of snow down here in South Florida. :shifty

[UdubBadger]

not a lot of snow up here in Chicago either...

Last winter was incredibly mild and this year is looking the same. Supposed to be 55-62 all weekend, which is a bout +20 deg warmer than normal.

[johnrando]

I don't think that question was meant for me, but just as an FYI I'm stock tire sizes right now, but going to go 245s all around for a square setup.

[mimalmo]

John, if you remove the rear wheel and look in there up and towards the rear bumper you'll see what I'm talking about. Just needs a bit of Dremel work to get it shaved.

There's also bumper clips that should get pulled. I ran my car for several years in all kinds of weather without the clips & the bumper bolts shaved and the rear bumper never sagged or got loose. There's a TON of attachment points on those rear bumpers that honestly, it's just overkill.

Even if I was running a stock ZHP, I'd consider removing them both because if you don't, the clips have a sharp edge that could easily slice a tire under compression and the bolts aren't much better. Like I said, take a look and you'll see what I mean.

[johnrando]

John, if you remove the rear wheel and look in there up and towards the rear bumper you'll see what I'm talking about. Just needs a bit of Dremel work to get it shaved.

There's also bumper clips that should get pulled. I ran my car for several years in all kinds of weather without the clips & the bumper bolts shaved and the rear bumper never sagged or got loose. There's a TON of attachment points on those rear bumpers that honestly, it's just overkill.

Even if I was running a stock ZHP, I'd consider removing them both because if you don't, the clips have a sharp edge that could easily slice a tire under compression and the bolts aren't much better. Like I said, take a look and you'll see what I mean.

Definitely I will, thanks for the great advice. (and thanks to Sean too).

[derbo]

I hated that stupid rear bumper clip and bolt. Those came off quite quickly once I saw they were the culprits cutting my tire up..

[jayjay_dee]

Reviving this...

Im looking at TMS's spacers, 17.5mm for rear and 15mm for front, do I need extended bolts with those?

[nike001]

^Yes!

Those will make your car look a lot more agressive if you're currently running no spacers at all

[jayjay_dee]

thanks, then after more reading, im considering 15R and 12.5F...

[danewilson77]

thanks, then after more reading, im considering 15R and 12.5F...

Yes again.

[Dave_B]

Purpose of these spacers is:

Handling/Performance?

Looks?

[johnrando]

More about looks. Some would say a wider stance does help stability. Others say you're introducing another point of instability between your wheels/hubs. If you're not racing, it probably doesn't matter.

[nike001]

thanks, then after more reading, im considering 15R and 12.5F...

This is the setup I was wishing to get later this summer. I have 12R and 10F


Purpose of these spacers is:

Handling/Performance?

Looks?

Mostly looks, but I can feel the difference. With my specs mentioned above, I've widened my track by almost 2 inches all around

[UdubBadger]

More about looks. Some would say a wider stance does help stability. Others say you're introducing another point of instability between your wheels/hubs. If you're not racing, it probably doesn't matter.

agreed unless you are drifting the car sideways or pulling really hard G's on embankments or turns, it's not gonna put enough stress on them to make it unsafe. Just make sure to get extended bolts and it'll be fine.

[jayjay_dee]

This is the setup I was wishing to get later this summer. I have 12R and 10F

Dalton, do you have pics of 12R/10F in your car? no rubbing?

[nike001]

Dalton, do you have pics of 12R/10F in your car? no rubbing?

Ask and you shall receive. No rubbing whatsoever

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7539143780_07e870b395_c.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8045/8095601262_35aefd72b3_c.jpg

[danewilson77]

Ask and you shall receive. No rubbing whatsoever

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7539143780_07e870b395_c.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8045/8095601262_35aefd72b3_c.jpg

Last shot :drool

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[jayjay_dee]

wow.... car looks perfect... thanks for the pics man...

[wsmeyer]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7539143780_07e870b395_c.jpg



I would love to have that stance!

Our verts sit a little different stock so still not certain of spacer sizes for us. I swear one of these days I'll just buy 4x 20's and keep shaving them until they're perfect!

[WOLFN8TR]

Sub'd. Was thinking of just getting rear spacers. I like the look up front but my rears are tucked in too far.
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[papa_g]

sorry to revive old thread, but what is the consensus on how big of a spacer would fit on coupe w/ stock setup? Like some other people said, it's kinda hard to get an accurate measurement with a ruler or tape, but it is clearly evident that the front fender can accommodate a fatter spacer than the rear. Not really trying to roll my fenders at the moment, and don't want any rubbing either.

@wolfn8tr i agree. If i were to only put one set of spacers on, it would be the rears for sure. At least make it somewhat flush with the body.

[ELCID86]

sorry to revive old thread, but what is the consensus on how big of a spacer would fit on coupe w/ stock setup? Like some other people said, it's kinda hard to get an accurate measurement with a ruler or tape, but it is clearly evident that the front fender can accommodate a fatter spacer than the rear. Not really trying to roll my fenders at the moment, and don't want any rubbing either.

@wolfn8tr i agree. If i were to only put one set of spacers on, it would be the rears for sure. At least make it somewhat flush with the body.

I still owe you a PM on the spacers, been really busy...

I think 12mm is ok on the back with no roll, though it would be better to, just in case. (There is a roller tool out there somewhere that you just need to pay shipping for in order to use (anyone know who has it?) and its a pretty easy DIY).

I can’t talk about front wheels as I have rears on all 4 corners.