//M Badge on ZHP

[imola red zhp]

I know there has been discussion this subject before and I think.there is a thread in and if there is merge it please.
Purists say //M badge belongs only on //M Cars and others say //M badge can go ZHP as some components are from //M cars and the badge is on Steering wheels of ZHPs
Well I'm just saying I understand each opinions but I like this look.
I plastik dip the 330 badge and added the German Flag //M....
http://img.tapatalk.com/aefdf2d3-bf72-80de.jpg

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[cakM3]

Dennis, regarding the ///M badge on the bootlid...

I myself, having both the ///M3 and ZHP, would prefer to have just the 330i on my bootlid. Like you, mine is blacked out and I like that look. Speaking for myself, I don't necessarily agree with having the ///M badge on the bootlid although the ZHP does have many elements from Motorsport incorporated into it. It doesn't look right to me but it's your car and if you happen to like it then rock it...:thumbsup

[johnrando]

Dennis, you know part of the mafia creedo is to each his/her own when it comes to their own car. I'm not a purist, but personally speaking, I feel like the M badge on the trunk is basically calling your car an M, which it's not. So, I would not use it on my own car. To me, the other M badges on the car are not saying it's an M, it's saying it has M motorsport cues. Again, that's just my two cents. If you like it, go for it. I do like the colors on the badge.

[imola red zhp]

Understood cak, maybe I miss my //M's 3 and 5....:confused:

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[imola red zhp]

Dennis, you know part of the mafia creedo is to each his/her own when it comes to their own car. I'm not a purist, but personally speaking, I feel like the M badge on the trunk is basically calling your car an M, which it's not. So, I would not use it on my own car. To me, the other M badges on the car are not saying it's an M, it's saying it has M motorsport cues. Again, that's just my two cents. If you like it, go for it. I do like the colors on the badge.

Thanks John thats why I ran it by you guys for opinions, actually it was destined for the late e39 //M5 and put it on the ZHP...agree the colors is led me to put it on. If it were the regular //M I would not have even considered it.


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[imola red zhp]

Should turn thread to a survey of yey or ney for the //M badge on my ZHP...first 50 votes
Help from mods please

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[Hornung418]

No ///M badges on the trunk please!

Sent from Branson, MO.

[das boots]

No ///M badges on the trunk please!

Sent from Branson, MO.

GMAB.....+2.

[midlandtech]

Like the colors of the m badge on the imola red and the red and amber from the tails... I probably wouldn't M badge mine but if you like it that's all that matters.... Not my place to judge... I'm sure some people don't like the zhp emblem I put on mine


~Steve
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[Hermes]

I'm not for ///M badge on my trunk

[imola red zhp]

5 neys so far.....

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[JupiterBMW]

I have to agree with most others on here. Personally, I won't put it on my car just because I'm more for the shaved look anyway. I don't care much about being a "purist" or abiding by any unwritten rules. You need to do what you like!! If we all wanted to be purists, we'd keep the cars stock right???

That being said, the black badge with the German flag stripes looks VERY VERY good on your car. Well done I say!

I sort of had this same thought in regards to our X3 M Sport... I again opted not too, but only because the badges were different sizes and font styles... If it didn't look perfectly OEM, I wasn't doing it. :)

Hope this helps!

[imola red zhp]

I have to agree with most others on here. Personally, I won't put it on my car just because I'm more for the shaved look anyway. I don't care much about being a "purist" or abiding by any unwritten rules. You need to do what you like!! If we all wanted to be purists, we'd keep the cars stock right???

That being said, the black badge with the German flag stripes looks VERY VERY good on your car. Well done I say!

I sort of had this same thought in regards to our X3 M Sport... I again opted not too, but only because the badges were different sizes and font styles... If it didn't look perfectly OEM, I wasn't doing it. :)

Hope this helps!

Thanks Jupiter will consider.....:)

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[WOLFN8TR]

When I bought my ZHP it had an M badge on the trunk. Not no more, It's a 330 not a M.


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[Merritt07]

My opinion stands on the "To each their own." My car use to have an ///M badge from the previous owner, which I removed. Personally, it's not my thing and in the end, I'll be removing the 330i anyway.
Before
http://i.imgur.com/AWkQ8.jpg
After
http://i.imgur.com/sccp3.jpg

[danewilson77]

I like it. I say rock it till the wheels fall off.




:)

[webster]

not my thing (i prefer de-badged look) but those colors are pretty sweet.

[SoarinZHP]

To quote the immortal DW - "I say rock it till the wheels fall off."

Rock on, bro - Rock on.

[nike001]

If that's what you like, then do it.

BMW is starting to throw M badges on everything now (including the trunk) and I say that for the ZHP, it's doable. For a stock 325i/330i with cut springs, muffler delete, aftermarket rims & some ebay lights? No.

[SoarinZHP]

An M badge on a slammed 325i with a fart can hung on the end of the exhaust... Winning.

Let us not forget the fender grills from an M3, to boot!

[danewilson77]

To quote the immortal DW - "I say rock it till the wheels fall off."

Rock on, bro - Rock on.

Appreciate the compliment, though my knees will tell you I am but a mere mortal :)

Justanaverageguywithanaveragecarthattrieshardthats all

[BRGcoopahS]

If that's what you like, then do it.

BMW is starting to throw M badges on everything now (including the trunk) and I say that for the ZHP, it's doable. For a stock 325i/330i with cut springs, muffler delete, aftermarket rims & some ebay lights? No.

Sort of the same opinion as me. BMW used to have cars badged like that, (M635) and now they are starting to do it again. Considering the ZHP was the closest thing to an M3 at the time, they could've easily thought of putting the M badge on there. Sort of like the ZHP was the first of the new M-sport series. So basically I could understand it.

But on a non zhp, and especially anything lower than a 330? No way jose.

BTW I do think it looks awesome. Love the german flag and blacked out look.

[imola red zhp]

I like it. I say rock it till the wheels fall off.




:)

Thanks DW may just do that.


Sort of the same opinion as me. BMW used to have cars badged like that, (M635) and now they are starting to do it again. Considering the ZHP was the closest thing to an M3 at the time, they could've easily thought of putting the M badge on there. Sort of like the ZHP was the first of the new M-sport series. So basically I could understand it.

But on a non zhp, and especially anything lower than a 330? No way jose.

BTW I do think it looks awesome. Love the german flag and blacked out look.

Appreciated....

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[Meric]

Producers should make the ///M badge smaller to go with 330 letters. Looks weird and unoriginal. I'm okay with the badge tho. BMW puts that on steering and door sills.

[JupiterBMW]

Producers should make the ///M badge smaller to go with 330 letters. Looks weird and unoriginal. I'm okay with the badge tho. BMW puts that on steering and door sills.

Agreed.. Like I said, I was going to do this on our new X3. It has the M logo on the door sills (very in your face looking) and also on the steering wheel, similar to the ZHP. But, if they made M badges that matched the original 'X3' or in this case '330i' then I would say go for it, and I might even do it myself...

Ah well, we've beaten this thread like a dead horse...

[Blaster3500]

I am not a huge fan but it is your car and everyone has different styles. I know it is not the same thing but it reminds me of a GTR badge on a 240.

[derbo]

I'm not a fan of the ///M on the car with the 330i logo. Now if you put the ///M only there like a 1M, it might look okay. Like someone said, the 330i lettering size isn't the same as the M and I don't like that inconsistency.

[das boots]

+1. Now, it if you can just get the M from the 1M, then size it up with the 330i to make it consistent.

[pfr]

... it is not an M... call me a purist... have been called worse...

[johnrando]

OK, you're a purist. :biggrin

Couldn't resist.

[S85FTW]

I wouldn't throw and ///M badge on it, but definitely would throw a ZHP badge on it. I historically have seen teenagers around NYC/CT growing up throw ///M3 badges on their cars to fool teenage girls into thinking they are getting picked up by a guy in an M3 when its not.

[johnrando]

I wouldn't throw and ///M badge on it, but definitely would throw a ZHP badge on it. I historically have seen teenagers around NYC/CT growing up throw ///M3 badges on their cars to fool teenage girls into thinking they are getting picked up by a guy in an M3 when its not.

Wow, that would work on me for sure! smh

[cakM3]

I'm not a fan of the ///M on the car with the 330i logo. Now if you put the ///M only there like a 1M, it might look okay. Like someone said, the 330i lettering size isn't the same as the M and I don't like that inconsistency.

OP, come to think of it, derbo makes a very good point...I think de-badging the 330i and replacing it with the ///M (pictured) would look awesome on your ZHP. If anything, I would consider doing that to mine after I put an ESS SC in it...;)

[Johal E32]

I think of M badges like this..

If BMW didn't put a M badge on your trunk from the factory then don't put a M badge on it.

Sure, the M635csi's, and E34 540i M sport's received it. But they were very very limited cars, for example they only made like 135 of those M540i's.. And they were practically M cars.

The ZHP is very close to hhe M pedigree, but it doesn't have a high revving motorsport engine. And, it doesn't have the M3 suspension or transmission. The car is beefed up a great deal from the standard 330 but it's not on the M level

[johnrando]

Agree. Not directly related to Dennis' question, but you can call/badge your car anything you want, it doesn't hurt anyone. Put an AMG logo on it if you want. I'm just of the mind to not call it something it's not, but that's my preference. Rock it if you like it.

[Washburn]

I am of the same opinion that has already been voiced: M badge on the steering wheel, wheels etc means a package/trim additions.
But M badge on the trunk means car is an M car, which ZHP is not.
So, no. M badge shouldn't be on the trunk.

I also think ZHP badges are not in order on a trun k. 'ZHP' not a MODEL designation. It's a the code for trim/package/option designation.
That would be like putting a 'ZCW' badge on my car just because it has the cold weather package !!!

[danewilson77]

People on this forum have Z H P badged their trunk. Just a data point.

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[SoarinZHP]

you can call/badge your car anything you want, it doesn't hurt anyone. Put an amg logo on it if you want.

winning!!!

[jeff57ax]

I Can't believe that this hasn't already been stated:

Badges? I don't need no stinking badges!

[Johal E32]

I am of the same opinion that has already been voiced: M badge on the steering wheel, wheels etc means a package/trim additions.
But M badge on the trunk means car is an M car, which ZHP is not.
So, no. M badge shouldn't be on the trunk.

I also think ZHP badges are not in order on a trun k. 'ZHP' not a MODEL designation. It's a the code for trim/package/option designation.
That would be like putting a 'ZCW' badge on my car just because it has the cold weather package !!!

Lol, you summed it up better than I did ;)

OP, do as you please. As long as you are happy with it, then do it :)

[kayger12]

Agree. Not directly related to Dennis' question, but you can call/badge your car anything you want, it doesn't hurt anyone. Put an AMG logo on it if you want. I'm just of the mind to not call it something it's not, but that's my preference. Rock it if you like it.

100% this.

I wish this was sent with a Galaxy S3

[S85FTW]

I think of M badges like this..

If BMW didn't put a M badge on your trunk from the factory then don't put a M badge on it.

Sure, the M635csi's, and E34 540i M sport's received it. But they were very very limited cars, for example they only made like 135 of those M540i's.. And they were practically M cars.

The ZHP is very close to hhe M pedigree, but it doesn't have a high revving motorsport engine. And, it doesn't have the M3 suspension or transmission. The car is beefed up a great deal from the standard 330 but it's not on the M level

Not intending to thread jack but I discovered a funny thing about the suspension.... I ordered new control arms recently and found out that my car did not have E46 control arms. The standard E46 330 control arms did not have a slot for DSC and was noticeably punier. I called to exchange the control arm and informed me that I have to order M3 control arms, not "M" control arms or any variation. We do have M3 bits in our suspension evidently.

[GSEN820]

I dont have a ZHP but a 325ci. I have M3 control arms on my car too. It was time to replace control arms and bushings. This is a great upgrade for anyone looking to install control arms. I went with Meyle HD.

[imola red zhp]

I wouldn't throw and ///M badge on it, but definitely would throw a ZHP badge on it. I historically have seen teenagers around NYC/CT growing up throw ///M3 badges on their cars to fool teenage girls into thinking they are getting picked up by a guy in an M3 when its not.

Nice but not my plan.....


I Can't believe that this hasn't already been stated:

Badges? I don't need no stinking badges!
:like



Amazing what conversation that //M badge can create love the responses.....

M-Cars vs. M-badged carsThere are several BMW models which BMW Motorsport made changes on, without them becoming M-Cars. This succession of styling (M-tech I, M-tech II) and performance cues came from BMW Motorsports; e.g. BMW 530i M packet or 325i M packet etc. Vehicles which have been modified by BMW Motorsport, but are not full M Cars, may feature "M" badges, whilst full M Cars will have "M" badges with the model number (e.g. "M3" or "M5"). Two exceptions would be the M Roadster and M Coupe models, both Z3, Z4 and 1-series variants, which only have an "M" badge with no number displayed on the trunk. These cars are full M Cars.

In recent years, there have been M-badged accessories available on non-M cars, usually as factory options or as part of the "M Sport" package (which is usually more expensive than the regular Sport package). Examples of this include the E39 and E60 5 series sedans had optional aerodynamic packages strongly influenced by M5 styling (for example bumpers). It is not unusual to see "standard" BMW's with "M" badges or ribbons accenting the design. The plain motorsports Badge simply stands for M-tech upgrades on the car, suspension, brakes, looks or any other mod that has been developed by the ///M division. So therefore the ///M badge should not under any circumstances be compared to the ///M+number badge (except the Z-cars, as mentioned), as they are not fully fledged M-cars, just M-equipped. BMW has for example, had these ///M options on the regular cars since the late 1970s, which explains why some cars that carry these ///M-badges from factory. The E60 BMW 550i and E63 BMW 650i with the M Sport package did have an optional Sequential Manual Gearbox (SMG) until after the 2008 model year,[18] without the M Sport package the BMW 5 Series and 6 Series only had a choice of a manual or automatic transmissions.

Source Wikipedia.......

[JupiterBMW]

Hmm, so that all being said, I suppose it would be fair game to drop an ///M badge on the ZHP, as it has M-Tech upgrades, from the factory... At least Wikipedia says its ok...

[Meric]

Is there a OEM ///M badge that is small enough for our 330i/ci letters?

[johnrando]

Good info Dennis, learned something new.

[Johal E32]

Not intending to thread jack but I discovered a funny thing about the suspension.... I ordered new control arms recently and found out that my car did not have E46 control arms. The standard E46 330 control arms did not have a slot for DSC and was noticeably punier. I called to exchange the control arm and informed me that I have to order M3 control arms, not "M" control arms or any variation. We do have M3 bits in our suspension evidently.

I thought zhp's have different control arms to the 330, and different control arms to the m3. You sure no one changed out your arms for the M3 ones? It's a really common upgrade.

[danewilson77]

I thought zhp's have different control arms to the 330, and different control arms to the m3. You sure no one changed out your arms for the M3 ones? It's a really common upgrade.

We do have different control arms.

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[Hornung418]

Wikipedia is all opinion based on facts from related articles. If it didn't come from the factory with an M badge on the trunk why add it? Just seems like a poseur move. Even if I had an S54 under the hood, I'd leave the trunk badge on or take it all off.

Sent from Branson, MO.

[S85FTW]

I thought zhp's have different control arms to the 330, and different control arms to the m3. You sure no one changed out your arms for the M3 ones? It's a really common upgrade.
My first set of control arms were replaced by bmw under my cpo warranty. When removing the control arms (replaced by bmw techs) we noticed they were indeed M3 control arms, not M or E46 control arms. Maybe BMW does not reproduce those ///M non M3 control arms you speak of any longer?

[BRGcoopahS]

the ZHP control arms are actually $30 more than the M3 control arms. (turner motorsports) It has to be because they dont make as much because the M3 arms are better.

[imola red zhp]

Wikipedia is all opinion based on facts from related articles. If it didn't come from the factory with an M badge on the trunk why add it? Just seems like a poseur move. Even if I had an S54 under the hood, I'd leave the trunk badge on or take it all off.

Sent from Branson, MO.

Justin understood, I was also a de-badger in my younger days, not trying to justify the move by using Wikipedia, just info.
I only made the addition because of the unique look of the German flag colors...wouldn't do it with the standard //M badge or if it was a standard 330i.
Was I trying to make my car "special" maybe again maybe "not"......


Good info Dennis, learned something new.

You're welcome John, really appreciate the info and support...

Love this forum!!! Great peeps here!!

[Marcus-SanDiego]

To each their own. I wouldn't slap an m badge on my car but, guess what, it's my car.

I recently put a BMW aero kit on the x5. Someone recently it was "meh." I like it. I'm keeping it. I told the guy that he could feel free to not put it on his x5.

My point? My car. My choice. Your car. Your choice.


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[KevinC]

I have an M badge on my car. My "other" car. There's an M car underneath the badge, so it's OK. :roundel

On my ZHP? Not in a million years. nono

[terraphantm]

My first set of control arms were replaced by bmw under my cpo warranty. When removing the control arms (replaced by bmw techs) we noticed they were indeed M3 control arms, not M or E46 control arms. Maybe BMW does not reproduce those ///M non M3 control arms you speak of any longer?

I have a hard time believing this without seeing the arms on the car. The M3's geometry is fairly different due to its wider track - the M3 arms shouldn't bolt up (unless you retrofitted all the M3 front suspension). Not that there's anything wrong with the ZHP arms - the z4m uses the same ones so they're probably just as good or better than the M3 arms.

And I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "slot for dsc" - the control arms don't touch any DSC components at all. M3 or otherwise. As far as the leveling sensor goes... All non-M arms have a hole for that to mount. The M3 arms do not since the leveling sensor mounts differently.


the ZHP control arms are actually $30 more than the M3 control arms. (turner motorsports) It has to be because they dont make as much because the M3 arms are better.

Turner's ZHP arms are overpriced. You can get a kit with the ZHP arms and bushings for < $500 shipped at thebmwpartstore.com


Anyway, I think it's a dumb idea to add the M badge. It gets you too much attention on the road. I think I'm going to debase mine. The most I would do is badge the car "330is" since the 335is received similar tweaks over the 335i as the ZHP did over the 330i

[S85FTW]

Leveling sensor slot is not on the first control arm which I received for "E46s" and yes M3 control arms do fit on ZHP's in the front. Tomorrow my car will be back on the lift bc my leveling sensor came loose on the drive home from Albany. My current control arms on the car are M3 control arms, not ZHP, not E46.

[onepercent]

My personal feeling is that the //M trunk badge is reserved for the //M line of cars, but to each his own.

I would like something to set the ZHP apart, esp. since my summer wheels that I run most of the year are not the distinctive 135's that are the most obvious clue that it's a ZHP. So I like Steve's idea of the ZHP badge... Steve, if you're reading this, can we get a pic of that? Or a link to a pic? Until then, I'll just have my ZHPMAFIA stickers!

[midlandtech]

Lol yup no prob... Recently had a pm asking for a pic but in my infinite wisdom I deleted the message and couldn't remember who sent it =\ 4695
Doesn't look straight in the pic but I promise it is


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[onepercent]

Very cool! Where did you get the letters?

[midlandtech]

Got the from bimmian

http://www.bimmian.com/Shadow-Vehicle-Emblem-for-BMW-E46-3-Series



~Steve
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[imola red zhp]

^^^^Nice thanks for info....

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[onepercent]

Cool, thanks!

[Daddyoh]

I bought a lovely black ///M license plate frame from ECS Tuning, but that's as far as I will go. It is sweet though. AND, I have an ///M baseball cap from BMW lifestyles, and I like that too...but, oh never mind.

[zhpnsnv]

I bought a lovely black ///M license plate frame.

Me too. Sometimes I consider getting rid of it for plain black.

[terraphantm]

Leveling sensor slot is not on the first control arm which I received for "E46s" and yes M3 control arms do fit on ZHP's in the front. Tomorrow my car will be back on the lift bc my leveling sensor came loose on the drive home from Albany. My current control arms on the car are M3 control arms, not ZHP, not E46.

Okay man look, I've personally had normal E46 arms and ZHP arms in my possession at the same time, and I currently have M3 arms as my car is a proper M3. I'm familiar with all 3 arms and their differences

E46 and ZHP arms look identical, except the ZHP arms have metal outer ball joints and an ///M sticker on them. Both have the hole for the auto leveling sensor. M3 arms have a pretty different design, have no M sticker, and have no hole for the auto leveling sensor. My understanding is that the M3 arms end up sticking out farther than non-M arms, though I haven't taken measurements to confirm

My guess: You had M3 arms initially, the shop realized they didn't fit, and they were swapped out for ZHP arms.


For reference:

Non-ZHP arm
http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/217705_x600.jpg

http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/217706_x600.jpg

ZHP/Z4M arm
http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/270909_x600.jpg

http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/270921_x600.jpg

M3 arm
http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/217703_x600.jpg

http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/217704_x600.jpg

I can't find pics of the old-style control arms, but they look like E36 control arms and Xi control arms