Does the Performance Package over ride the Premium Package

[BMW-FTW]

Hope someone can clarify for me. I am shopping for a ZHP and many of them are listed as having both of these packages. However the online NADA Guide does not allow you to select both. Which tells me that maybe, if a person bought a car new with the ZHP package, then it did not also have the Premium.

Kind of makes sense, since the interior trim, steering wheel, etc. are different between the two.

Anybody know for sure? Thanks!

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I believe that you could not have the ZHP and premium package during 2003 and 2004. During 2005 and 2006 you could.

Someone please correct that information if I am mistaken. Thanks.

[BMW-FTW]

Interesting, I am going to check out an 03 sedan on Monday, which is why I am doing all my homework now. I'm going to check and see if I can select both packages on NADA if I say its an 05.

[BMW-FTW]

Actually, NADA doee not even list the Premium Package as an option... what the O.o

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Very weird. Check KBB and see if it's the same way.

[BMW-FTW]

On KBB you can select or de-select all the packages:

Cold Weather
Premium
Sport
Performance

I'm still thinking it doesn't make sense to have both Premium and Performance or Sport and Performance for that matter. Does anyone have their window sticker handy? haha

[wsmeyer]

Here's the breakdown of options on my 2006:

ZCW Cold Weather Package 750.00
- 464 Ski bag N/C
- 494 Heated front seats N/C
- 502 Retractable headlight washers N/C

ZHP Performance Package 3,600.00
- 226 Sports suspension N/C
- 481 Sport seats N/C
- 710 M steering wheel N/C
- 716 Aerodynamic package N/C
- 760 Shadowline trim N/C
- 767 Performance package N/C
- 772 black cube trim N/C
- 787 18" alloy wheels N/C

388 Black soft top N/C
522 Xenon headlights 800.00
524 Adaptive light control N/C
639 BMW Assist 750.00

If there was a Premium package on top of all that what would it include? The only thing obvious that I don't have is Nav and a 6 disc changer.

William.

[BMW-FTW]

Well, there you go... Thanks William! The only thing I can think of would be the Harmon Kardon sound, but I think that would be a stand alone option and not necessary to purchase the entire Premium Package to get.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

One thing that we get in premium is leather seats. William, are yours cloth or leather?

[wsmeyer]

@ BMW-FTW - The cloth grills on the speakers in the door say Harmon Kardon. Not sure if they were standard by 2006 or if there were better HK's as option.

@Marcus - Yes, leather seats, ebrake handle, shift boot, and perforated steering wheel.

William.

[wsmeyer]

The day after I bought my car I did the 'Build Your Own" on the BMW website to match mine. You can check it out here:

http://images.chaleur.com/misc/2006_BMW_330Ci_Convertible.pdf

William.

[BMW-FTW]

Seems that leather seats in these cars was also a separate option and not part of the "Premium Package". I think that when peeps are selling these cars they just automatically say it has Premium because of the leather seats and HK sound.

So, I think I learned something new today! ZHPs do not have the Premium Package. They don't need it!

[Marcus-SanDiego]

William, thanks for posting that. Interesting that leather seats did not get ordered through premium package.

Also interesting that your order shows alcantara steering wheel, which wasn't even available to us in 2006. BMW must not have changed up their template at that point.

[wsmeyer]

Yeah, not everything is correct on the build your own workup. I read somewhere that they switched from Alcantara to perforated leather steering wheels in June 2005 and mine was built in Oct 2005.

I just recently changed my wheel, shift and e-brake boots to Alcantara just to change it up. I still have the stock parts though so I can change it all back pretty easily.

William.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

William, from our FAQ: "What's more, during the spring of 2005, BMW stopped putting Alcantara steering wheels on the ZHP (because of problems with premature wear), which means there are many ZHP-optioned cars on the road today without Alcantara steering wheels. Moreover, before BMW discontinued the Alcantara steering wheel, it also replaced many wheels under warranty, replacing them with leather wheels. Yet another reason why you'll find leather wheels coupled with Alcantara-clad seats."

I was able to find references to BMW discontinuing alcantara steering wheels in April/May, so I put spring in the write up. I couldn't get a clear answer (was it April? Was it May?).

Anyhow, thanks again for pitching in today.

[Gordo_GT]

I have an 05 coupe and the new car sticker shows both premium and performance package on mine. I know that in 03 the zhp package was only available on the sedan with a 6 speed manual tranny and w/out the premium package therefore all 03 zhp's are sedans, manual, and have alcantara. Starting in 04, the premium package and an auto tranny was an available option on the zhp (coupe and sedan).

EDIT: here is the link to the wiki found in Bimmerfest that talks about the ZHP package: http://www.bimmerfest.com/wiki/index.php/BMW_E46#Options_.26_Package_Codes

[Gordo_GT]

William, from our FAQ: "What's more, during the spring of 2005, BMW stopped putting Alcantara steering wheels on the ZHP (because of problems with premature wear), which means there are many ZHP-optioned cars on the road today without Alcantara steering wheels. Moreover, before BMW discontinued the Alcantara steering wheel, it also replaced many wheels under warranty, replacing them with leather wheels. Yet another reason why you'll find leather wheels coupled with Alcantara-clad seats."

I was able to find references to BMW discontinuing alcantara steering wheels in April/May, so I put spring in the write up. I couldn't get a clear answer (was it April? Was it May?).

Anyhow, thanks again for pitching in today.

BMW made the change to leather wheel, shift boot, and parking brake midway through the 05 model year (I believe production date 11/04 and after but not anywhere near 100%). Yes, some cars that had the alcantara wheel had it swapped at the dealer due to premature wear but you can tell which those are by taking a look at the shift boot and parking brake. Also after the change (midway through 05 model year), the leather wheel and such was standard but customers had the option of choosing premium or not. Non-premium = alcantara seats I believe.

[BMW-FTW]

OK, so in 05, what does the Premium package add that isn't in the ZHP? I'm confused now... lol

[Gordo_GT]

OK, so in 05, what does the Premium package add that isn't in the ZHP? I'm confused now... lol

Let me get back at you later tonight to write what is on the new car sticker, I'm not with my car right now. The sticker will break it all down.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

And once we get it all sorted out, I can update the FAQ. Haha.

[BMW-FTW]

This is actually pretty interesting because as anybody who has used KBB or NADA to price out a car knows, it makes a difference when you click all those option packages...

[zj96sc]

I'm pretty sure premium adds lumbar and auto-dimming mirrors. Before rain sensing wipers became standard it added those as well. I think ZHP and premium were available together, the only ones i know were mutually exclusive were sport and ZHP.

[Johnmadd]

Mmm, I have 03 with heated leather and autodim, and leather m3 stitch steering wheel, previous owner was the sizzle. :-)

[johnrando]

Funny, but as soon as I saw the question I was going to answer, as William and I had the exact same conversation. Then I started seeing all the posts and I knew William would step up... sorry I was late to this but it's good the knowledge is out there.

BTW, didn't the premium package include things like wood trim (which of course the cube trim would override), better seats (which the sport seats would override), etc, etc.?

[Gordo_GT]

So here is the breakdown, the premium package adds:

*Leather upholstery
*BMW Assist system & services
*Auto-Dimming interior mirror
*Power lumbar support

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/Gordo_GT/2011-10-02_10-03-46_657.jpg

[danewilson77]

So...what's it mean if you have lumbar and alcantara?

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[Gordo_GT]

So...what's it mean if you have lumbar and alcantara?

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A special order maybe? Choosing a premium package but having the alcantara seats override the leather seats.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Good to know, Gordo.

So, in 2003, customers could not get ZPP and ZHP together. I found posts on Bimmerfest where customers were talking about not being able to get ZPP and ZHP in 2004 either. However, in 2005 and 2006, we know that ZPP and ZHP could be ordered together.

Seems that the only conflict that potentially exists here is for MY2004. Does anyone know -- definitively -- if ZPP and ZHP could be ordered for MY2004?

[Gordo_GT]

Good to know, Gordo.

So, in 2003, customers could not get ZPP and ZHP together. I found posts on Bimmerfest where customers were talking about not being able to get ZPP and ZHP in 2004 either. However, in 2005 and 2006, we know that ZPP and ZHP could be ordered together.

Seems that the only conflict that potentially exists here is for MY2004. Does anyone know -- definitively -- if ZPP and ZHP could be ordered for MY2004?

According to the Bimmerfest wiki, yes on 2004 having ZPP.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/wiki/index.php/BMW_E46#Options_.26_Package_Codes

But I will keep looking for another source.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I was reluctant on 2004 because customers were talking about not being able to get it in 2004. Appreciate the help.

[johnrando]

So here is the breakdown, the premium package adds:

*Leather upholstery
*BMW Assist system & services
*Auto-Dimming interior mirror
*Power lumbar support

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/Gordo_GT/2011-10-02_10-03-46_657.jpg

Good info, but I'm confused again. I have power lumbar, and leather seats and I have auto-dimming mirror, but not BMW Assist (how do you verify that, what is the option code #?). But I don't have the Premium Package. I'm looking at my ASAP VIN report now. So, how would I get these w/o Premium Package... someone else have this setup?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

BMW Assist is option code 612.

http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?169-BMW-Option-Codes

[johnrando]

BMW Assist is option code 612.

http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?169-BMW-Option-Codes

Ah thanks, forgot that list was there. So, I don't have it. But, I have 3 of the 4 Premium Package options w/o the package, strange.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

You would order those options ala carte, then, JR.

[johnrando]

Ah thanks, forgot that list was there. So, I don't have it. But, I have 3 of the 4 Premium Package options w/o the package, strange.

Makes sense. Kinda seems strange not to just get the package then. But now we know the difference.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Yeah. Whenever I configured a car I typically just got the PP because if I grabbed a few of the items it was cheaper to just grab PP.

[wsmeyer]

I think we are still missing something. Johnrando and I both have 06's without the Premium Package but all the features of it. He doesn't have assist and on mine it's listed as option 639.

William.


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.855368,-118.398330

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Option code 639 on our site shows: 639 COMPLETE PREP. CELLULAR PHONE USA/CDN

And BMW shows this for option SA639: In which BMW models is Bluetooth® technology available?
As long ago as 2002, BMW was the first automobile manufacturer to introduce the Bluetooth® wireless standard for integrating mobile telephones and to offer it in all vehicle models. Requirements for using this standard are the BMW special accessories SA 644 mobile phone preparation with Bluetooth interface or SA 633 mobile phone preparation Business with Bluetooth interface (or option code SA 639 for North America).

But, it appears that 633 is now the old SA639.

So, option code 639 is now: 639 BMW Assist with Bluetooth

[wsmeyer]

I knew I had the brochure somewhere!

In 2006 convertibles were still e46's so there was a separate brochure for 325/330 convertibles in 2006. There was a Premium Package for the 325 but all the features except BMW Assist were standard features on the 330.

http://images.chaleur.com/misc/2006_3Series_Convertible.pdf

William.

[johnrando]

Option code 639 on our site shows: 639 COMPLETE PREP. CELLULAR PHONE USA/CDN

And BMW shows this for option SA639: In which BMW models is Bluetooth® technology available?
As long ago as 2002, BMW was the first automobile manufacturer to introduce the Bluetooth® wireless standard for integrating mobile telephones and to offer it in all vehicle models. Requirements for using this standard are the BMW special accessories SA 644 mobile phone preparation with Bluetooth interface or SA 633 mobile phone preparation Business with Bluetooth interface (or option code SA 639 for North America).

But, it appears that 633 is now the old SA639.

So, option code 639 is now: 639 BMW Assist with Bluetooth

Just to keep the party going, I have option 640 - car telephone prep; but not bluetooth or assist options.

[johnrando]

I knew I had the brochure somewhere!

In 2006 convertibles were still e46's so there was a separate brochure for 325/330 convertibles in 2006. There was a Premium Package for the 325 but all the features except BMW Assist were standard features on the 330.

http://images.chaleur.com/misc/2006_3Series_Convertible.pdf

William.

Nice work, forgot to even think of looking in my brochure. So that explains my setup.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I knew I had the brochure somewhere!

In 2006 convertibles were still e46's so there was a separate brochure for 325/330 convertibles in 2006. There was a Premium Package for the 325 but all the features except BMW Assist were standard features on the 330.

http://images.chaleur.com/misc/2006_3Series_Convertible.pdf

William.

Good call.

[Hermes]

ok, little late but you guys have confused the hell out of me


BMW Assist is option code 612.

I have assist on my car but it is not on my options list, very weird...


I think we are still missing something. Johnrando and I both have 06's without the Premium Package but all the features of it. He doesn't have assist and on mine it's listed as option 639.


Option code 639 on our site shows: 639 COMPLETE PREP. CELLULAR PHONE USA/CDN

And BMW shows this for option SA639: In which BMW models is Bluetooth® technology available?
As long ago as 2002, BMW was the first automobile manufacturer to introduce the Bluetooth® wireless standard for integrating mobile telephones and to offer it in all vehicle models. Requirements for using this standard are the BMW special accessories SA 644 mobile phone preparation with Bluetooth interface or SA 633 mobile phone preparation Business with Bluetooth interface (or option code SA 639 for North America).

But, it appears that 633 is now the old SA639.

So, option code 639 is now: 639 BMW Assist with Bluetooth

I do have 639, not 633, which (in German) says "KOMPLETTVORB. HANDY USA/CDN"

According to the list I got the only "packages" my car has are (441) Smoker's Package, (716) M-Aerodynamic Package II, and (767) Performance Package


So here is the breakdown, the premium package adds:
*Leather upholstery
*BMW Assist system & services
*Auto-Dimming interior mirror
*Power lumbar support

have all of these.

From the bimmerfest list / WHAT MY OPTIONS SHEET SAYS:

Different wheels/tires [if ordered with the sport package, the sport package wheels/tires superseed] - NOT APPLICABLE, TYPE 135M (787 M LM RAEDER DOPPELSP. 135 M/MISCHB.)

A multifunction steering wheel [IF it was not already standard on the vehicle] - NOT APPLICABLE, HAVE M MULTIFUNCTION WHEEL (249 MULITFUNKTION FUER LENKRAD)

Wood grain interior trim [if ordered with the sport package, the premium package wood is typically installed, unless specifically requested otherwise] - NOT APPLICABLE, HAVE BLACK CUBE (772 INTERIEURLEISTE ALU BLACK CUBE)

Rain-sensing windshield wipers (became standard equipment in 2004) - NOT APPLICABLE, MY CAR IS A 2005

Auto-dimming rear-view mirror - FIRST PART OF THE PACKAGE I DO HAVE

Power seats - HAVE THIS

Lumbar Support (not available on the 325) - HAVE THIS

Moonroof (note: moonroof can also be ordered separately) - HAVE THIS

so from what I gather, my car has all the parts of the ZPP, but technically is not listed on my options sheet. option sheet follows, unfortunately in German so check vs http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?169-BMW-Option-Codes:

Fahrzeugangaben

Typ-Code BD53
Typ 330CI (USA)
E-Baureihe E46 (2FL)
Baureihe 3
Bauart COUPE
Lenkung LL
Türen 2
Motor M54
Hubraum 3.00
Leistung 170
Antrieb HECK
Getriebe AUT
Farbe IMOLAROT 2 (405)
Polsterung STANDARDLEDER/SCHWARZ (N6SW)

Sonderausstattung
N r. Beschreibung
205 AUTOMATIC GETRIEBE
226 SPORTLICHE FAHRWERKSABSTIMMUNG
403 GLASDACH, ELEKTRISCH
431 INNENSPIEGEL,AUTOMATISCH ABBLENDEND
441 RAUCHERPAKET
459 SITZVERSTELLUNG, ELEKTR.MIT MEMORY
481 SPORTSITZE FUER FAHRER/BEIFAHRER
488 LORDOSENSTUETZE FAHRER/BEIFAHRER
521 REGENSENSOR
522 XENON-LICHT
524 ADAPTIVES KURVENLICHT
534 KLIMAAUTOMATIK
639 KOMPLETTVORB. HANDY USA/CDN
650 CD-LAUFWERK
674 HIFI-SYSTEM HARMAN/KARDON
692 CD WECHSLER I-BUS VORBEREITUNG
710 M LEDERLENKRAD
716 M AERODYNAMIKPAKET II
760 INDIVIDUAL HOCHGLANZ SHADOW LINE
767 PERFORMANCE-PAKET
772 INTERIEURLEISTE ALU BLACK CUBE
775 INDIVIDUAL DACHHIMMEL ANTHRAZIT
787 M LM RAEDER DOPPELSP. 135 M/MISCHB.
818 BATTERIEHAUPTSCHALTER

Serienausstattung
Nr. Beschreibung
210 DYNAMISCHE STAB. CONTROL (DSC)
249 MULITFUNKTION FUER LENKRAD
251 REIFEN PANNEN ANZEIGE
354 GRUENKEIL-FRONTSCHEIBE
473 ARMAUFLAGE VORN
520 NEBELSCHEINWERFER
550 BORDCOMPUTER
645 RADIO-STEUERUNG US
661 RADIO BMW BUSINESS
785 WEISSE BLINKLEUCHTEN
832 BATTERIE IM KOFFERRAUM
845 AKUSTISCHE GURTWARNUNG
876 FUNKFREQUENZ 315 MHZ
992 STEUERUNG KENNZEICHENBEFESTIGUNG

[Nivo]

Hmm, the Sedan has the natural brown leather, auto-dim mirror, lumbar support but has the zhp black cube trimming, so I am thinking when ordering you were able to get options of ZPP but what options were specific to ZHP were retained? like the black cube over the wood trim etc.?

[terraphantm]

I think basically it worked like this:
In 2003 ZHP and ZPP were not orderable together. So 2003 ZHPs are missing options like lumbar support, auto dimming mirror, bluetooth/assist, the rain sensor, and auto headlights

In 2004 they allowed you to order ZPP. But the rain sensor and auto headlights became standard as of MY2004. So quite a few ZHPs were specified without the premium package since many of the options were included anyway (lumbar support and autodimming are kinda useless, and assist was order-able separately)

For 2005 and 2006, even more features became standard. So it just did not make sense for a lot of people to purchase the premium package.

As far as the overrrides - the cube trim overrode wood (though maybe you could've gotten wood if you really wanted). Alcantara overrode leather (if you wanted).

[KevinC]

I have ZHP & Premium in my '05. Here's how it reads on the sticker...

http://2.zz.s3.amazonaws.com/i/1bd4a668-95a9-4b97-81f3-247edd22fa1f-l?1337654576

[derbo]

that sticker pretty much sums it up.


ZHP overrides ZPP trim choice.
ZPP puts leather seats, autodim, lumbar support. Shift boot and ebrake boot i believe is still alcantara if you have ZPP.

ZPP wasn't available with ZHP in 2003 but I thought in 2004 you were allowed to get it with auto and ZPP.


I wish i had lumbar support with Alcantara with heated seats. LOL

[terraphantm]

I'm pretty sure you were "allowed" to keep Alcantara if you wanted to even if you selected the premium package. It's been a while since the BMW configuration thing was online, so I'm not 100% on that.

You were able to get it with ZPP and auto in 04. Really, if they allowed you to get lumbar separately (or better yet, included it with the ZHP), then there wouldn't have been much reason to stick with ZPP asides for the autodimming mirror.

I think ZPP was more expensive in 2003 as well since the rain sensor, moon roof, and wood trim were not standard back then.