Under Hood Liner

[Hermes]

yes I know take the clips off, does anybody know how do you take the clips off?
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/IMG_1396.jpg

according to the diagram on realoem, they're supposed to be expanding rivets. mine look like little philips head rivets?

EDIT: I cracked the top off one of them so thats gonna be a bitch to get off... done playing until i know what to do.

(I have a plan for this but its not ready yet, will update)

[Scorpius]

yes I know take the clips off, does anybody know how do you take the clips off?
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/IMG_1396.jpg

according to the diagram on realoem, they're supposed to be expanding rivets. mine look like little philips head rivets?

EDIT: I cracked the top off one of them so thats gonna be a bitch to get off... done playing until i know what to do.

(I have a plan for this but its not ready yet, will update)

Not sure they are designed to come off. I know they are designed to melt, then drop on your engine bay in event of fire to help smoother it.
looks like you have same problem, the rear tabs near windshield have let it droop down.
Let me know you end up replacing it. if it's cheap i might go for it. otherwise, not that major to just ignore.

[Hermes]

yeah, that's what the plan is. The one's on the sides are loose also, its really only in cause of the clips. I found a guy that does custom high temp ones (won't warp/shrink like these), I just need to get it off so I can make a template for him. He's willing to do it for $80, normally $100. S/H is $15 but he can fit 3 per box so if we could get groups of 3 to buy them it would work out to $85 each. The OEM part (which will just fall apart again one day) is $80 on ECS before S/H (http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-330Ci-M54_3.0l/Search/Insulation/ES126350/).

He mostly works on muscle cars, this is what his work looks like:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K6TsuZPSNuM/SntK4DoB2-I/AAAAAAAAAHs/3uk9wzx_Jqk/s1600/6a.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V6z84fRLlD0/TGTL0cwTzfI/AAAAAAAAASI/7Pzh9P0wG3w/s1600/IMG_3173.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vafGYxxiK6s/TIZIxTwYsLI/AAAAAAAAASo/7sN59xfCSsU/s1600/79Vette-red-decals.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qoFuva2_Vqc/TgNpfbKFalI/AAAAAAAAAYM/6kFv8Scr0i0/s1600/Liner-edge.jpg



here's step by step on a pontiac:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xBvVDDaMN5Q/TiZeixrzEDI/AAAAAAAAAcI/-pgQ-_Oq9as/s1600/1.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AXxqCyOLY18/TiZekLfSfYI/AAAAAAAAAcM/Xto2JKVtwJ8/s1600/2.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hrk9Sk6-NjA/TiZek-QVLRI/AAAAAAAAAcQ/MV_3iH717Yo/s1600/3.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ctvDeI9zo38/TiZel-6X_SI/AAAAAAAAAcU/prLHuUEr-xY/s1600/4.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9SlsZOYYZQY/TiZemmuzULI/AAAAAAAAAcY/UlMAOa1mMFQ/s1600/5.JPG


well, maybe I just have to rip them out to get the liner off... if anybody is interested let me know


EDIT: figured it out. they are screw/expanding rivets. had to muscle it to get it moving then when i destroyed the plastic i used a needle nose to twist the screw out. rivet pops off after. replacement rivets (51481915964) are like $0.30 each, so what $1.20 total?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/IMG_1410.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/IMG_1411.jpg

[danewilson77]

They're screws.

[mikeyb74]

I've broken a few of these.

[kayger12]

I removed mine when I installed the performance intake.

Don't miss it.

[jreyes19]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V6z84fRLlD0/TGTL0cwTzfI/AAAAAAAAASI/7Pzh9P0wG3w/s1600/IMG_3173.JPG


wow that looks nice
and glad you got it off, sorry it was at the cost of messing up the fasteners

why did you take it off, just to replace it with a custom one?

[johnrando]

Cool idea. I'd be all over this if my car was at shows more.

[Hermes]

I took it off cause it was drying out and shrinking. If I had a lightweight hood I would prob leave it alone but I I like the idea of the insulation, besides this guys stuff looks real clean so it kinda dresses up the engine bay too

[danewilson77]

I will buy one....but I want mine to have a fat ass BMW roundel on it.

[Hermes]

He already has the template for a big ass roundel (just read the email again, he says roundel is 14")

[danewilson77]

He already has the template for a big ass roundel (just read the email again, he says roundel is 14")

Copy

[Scorpius]

I will buy one....but I want mine to have a fat ass BMW roundel on it.

I want this picture on mine ;-)

http://deathdealersmob.webs.com/ddmfkoff.jpg

[danewilson77]

I want this picture on mine ;-)

http://deathdealersmob.webs.com/ddmfkoff.jpg

OK. That's neato.

[Scorpius]

OK. That's neato.

Yea....can you imagine the conversations that would strike up at meets and shops.

[Hermes]

Scorpy... I asked him about doing that picture and this is what he said:

"Hi JP,

The decal can only be done in a single color as my cutter can't handle multi-color. Line drawings are basically it, anything intricate and it's both a pain to "weed" out the excess or the needle in the cutter will destroy it. If someone has access to multi-color decals made elsewhere they can put it on the liner as long as the decal can take the engine heat, plus the liner can be airbrushed as long as the paint used can take the heat and won't run. Melting/dripping paint on the top of the engine won't be a good thing.

If someone wants lettering or text it can be done as well, as long as they tell me what font they want. The best way to do that is to open up MS Word and play with the different fonts until they arrive at something they like."

[johnrando]

Come on guys, just stop it! You KNOW I'm gonna have to get one if you all keep this up. BTW, how about a zhpmafia BMW logo'ed one? :)

[das boots]

yeah, that's what the plan is. The one's on the sides are loose also, its really only in cause of the clips. I found a guy that does custom high temp ones (won't warp/shrink like these), I just need to get it off so I can make a template for him. He's willing to do it for $80, normally $100. S/H is $15 but he can fit 3 per box so if we could get groups of 3 to buy them it would work out to $85 each. The OEM part (which will just fall apart again one day) is $80 on ECS before S/H (http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-330Ci-M54_3.0l/Search/Insulation/ES126350/).

JP...I am still on this. Let me know where or when to send you the $$$. BTW, PMed you. Thanks.

[Hermes]

I havent made the template for him yet, will update this thread again when I get around to it. Just need one more SD person now so we have 3 for the first order

[bullfrogs_M3]

Where can i find a hood liner. Ohhhhh Eeeeeeee mmmmmmm one

[danewilson77]

Where can i find a hood liner. Ohhhhh Eeeeeeee mmmmmmm one

Eeeeeeeeeeeee Cccccccccccccccc Sssssssssssssssssss

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/51488193941_$/ES126350/

[bullfrogs_M3]

Eeeeeeeeeeeee Cccccccccccccccc Sssssssssssssssssss

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/51488193941_$/ES126350/

$80!!!! :( Oh well, I suppose I don't need it right now. I need porkchops first

Thanks for the linkage DW

[Hermes]

That's part of the reason why I'm doing it this way, wanna do it once and be done with it for the same price (not have to replace again in a few years when a new OEM one just dries out again)

[das boots]

Anybody else ready to join the 1st GB? PM Hermes to get this going.

[johnrando]

What's the pattern going to be? I see it's going to be a roundel but any pics so we can see a mock up?

Oh, and can he use our existing ones?

[danewilson77]

What's the pattern going to be? I see it's going to be a roundel but any pics so we can see a mock up?

+1.....before I commit....I wanna see logo-ness.

[Hermes]

+1.....before I commit....I wanna see logo-ness.

I already assumed that but you're on the wrong coast... I need to order 3 for SD. After I put up pics I'm sure you'll have a box of 3 coming east too. What I need is another socal/preferably SD person to go in on this so we can save on shipping

[Hermes]

What's the pattern going to be? I see it's going to be a roundel but any pics so we can see a mock up?

Oh, and can he use our existing ones?

He can do whatever logo you want as long as it's simple. I think I'm gonna have a HUGE set of lettering:

Bayerische
Motor
Werke

[danewilson77]

Copy. OBTW it's "Beast Coast" not "Wrong Coast"...hehe

[Hermes]

Copy. OBTW it's "Beast Coast" not "Wrong Coast"...hehe

Check. I actually meant it as a practicality thing. I'm sure these are gonna be all over our cars soon enough

[danewilson77]

Check. I actually meant it as a practicality thing. I'm sure these are gonna be all over our cars soon enough

It makes sense at that price. What did you say....$30 shipped?

[Hermes]

It makes sense at that price. What did you say....$30 shipped?

The liner/logo is $80, shipping is like $15 but he can fit 3 in a box

[danewilson77]

OK...I keeed. So we're looking at $85 out the door.

or.....$95...if shipping not split.

[Hermes]

Exactly

[johnrando]

So, Hermes, we have to use his then, not our existing one? I'm SoCal (LA area) so I'm considering it. I'd love to see the mock up first. And, while those look really good, any comments on the fitting of the ones he makes? For example, has he made E46 ones before... have you seen any in person?

[Hermes]

So, Hermes, we have to use his then, not our existing one? I'm SoCal (LA area) so I'm considering it. I'd love to see the mock up first. And, while those look really good, any comments on the fitting of the ones he makes? For example, has he made E46 ones before... have you seen any in person?

Ok... Let's see.

1. Yes it's a complete replacement

2. Pics once I get mine

3. I've seen in person, but only on hot rods and they look great. Fit is as good as the template so I'll take my time making it.

4. He has made some BMWs, no E46s though. Will email him for pics

[johnrando]

Thanks for the answers. Any thought to having ZHP on the cover, I kinda like that idea more than the roundel. Or, ZHP on the roundel... hmmm.

[danewilson77]

Sounds good. Def doing this.....

[danewilson77]

I so need one of these.....

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Imola%20Bimmer/018.jpg

[RITmusic2k]

I'm pretty much in for this. Maybe we can do an install meetup once everything gets done? Looks like there's some hood removal and heat-molding involved in the process...

[Hermes]

Hood removal is required for install, it's attached by using the stock mount points for the expanding rivets (if you want to use them, you don't have to) but mainly by 3M #80 adhesive because it can handle the heat from the engine.

[danewilson77]

Why do you have to remove hood?

[Hermes]

So you can line it up and glue it down correctly. Look at the pictures in one of the first posts I put on this thread showing a progression. Besides, it would be a huge PITA to try an install without taking it off

[danewilson77]

So you can line it up and glue it down correctly. Look at the pictures in one of the first posts I put on this thread showing a progression. Besides, it would be a huge PITA to try an install without taking it off

Mmmm...

[Hermes]

I mean, you could always try without taking it off...

[das boots]

JP. If the OE rivets are used, then why still use the adhesives? Since the insulation would already have holes in place for the rivets. Wouldn't the rivets be enough to hold up the insulation? How heavy are the insulation that require adhesives? Remove the old rivets. May lose some. But no problem on purchasing new rivets.

[Hermes]

JP. If the OE rivets are used, then why still use the adhesives? Since the insulation would already have holes in place for the rivets. Wouldn't the rivets be enough to hold up the insulation? How heavy are the insulation that require adhesives? Remove the old rivets. May lose some. But no problem on purchasing new rivets.

The OE part is kind of hard, so 4 rivets holds it in w/help of the tabs around the edges. If you look at the pic where I took mine off you can see that there are actually something like 10 spots for rivets. The reason you can't just use the rivets is that this liner is flexible and won't stay in place, therefore needing the glue backing. You do use the rivets so that it at least is lined up right while you're putting it in, after the gluing its kinda redundant. The rivets can't be more than $0.50 each and they get destroyed as you remove the liner, requiring you to get new ones. When I make the template I will probably not mark all the holes for the rivets to keep the look clean, prob just a few. If you choose to use all the rivet holes you will just have to punch any additional points you want in the material.

[das boots]

Can you have some insulation like yours have the clean look and some pre-punched holes for the rivets? I hope it can be done with this option. I agree that adhesives might have to be used. But by using all of the rivet holes, then the use of adhesives will be less. Which is what i'm trying to get at...minimum use of adhesives. And one big Roundel in the middle.....:roundel.

[danewilson77]

So....is the adhesive included with the sale?

[Hermes]

Nope, sorry. I'm gonna have to buy it separate but I'm pretty sure a can will cover a few cars so, just like s/h, we just split it. What, like $2-3 each...

The total price of this will make sense when you look at it in the long run.

Ok, why not break it down. Didn't check prices, just assuming things and you will soon see why I think group buys are the way to go:

Aircraft Grade Heat/Sound Insulation + Logo = $80
S/H = $15/box (I assume you're gonna order 3 so $5 each)
Adhesive - don't know but prob $10-15/can (enough for a lot of cars)
Expanding Rivets = $2-5 (depending on how many you're gonna use)



The way I'm looking at it is:

I. It's gonna look really clean
II. Insulation on this product will be WAY better in all technical/scientific aspects
III. About the same price as the OEM one that will just degrade over time like your current one
IV. It's gonna look really clean
V. Those of you that have enough engine work where things are rubbing, issue will be gone (or you're screwed and need to buy a M hood with more room)
VI. It's gonna look really clean
VII. You're not gonna have to replace it again in a few years cause it got messed up again.
VIII. did I say this yet, can't remember - IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY CLEAN!!!

[danewilson77]

The spray adhesive makes it pretty much permanent, no? I can imagine trying to get that adhesive off the underside, should one need to.

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[johnrando]

The spray adhesive makes it pretty much permanent, no? I can imagine trying to get that adhesive off the underside, should one need to.

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That's my question. Curious, are the OEM ones that we have on now held on with adhesive plus rivets, or just rivets?

[danewilson77]

That's my question. Curious, are the OEM ones that we have on now held on with adhesive plus rivets, or just rivets?

Just rivets.

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[das boots]

The spray adhesive makes it pretty much permanent, no? I can imagine trying to get that adhesive off the underside, should one need to.

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The same reason why I want mine to use all rivets and very minimum adhesives. Have the option of having rivet holes on mine and others the clean version.

[Hermes]

If you wanted to remove it would be the same process as debadging, some sort of adhesive remover and rubbing with a cloth to get the parts that stuck after the first try

[Hermes]

That's my question. Curious, are the OEM ones that we have on now held on with adhesive plus rivets, or just rivets?

Didn't see this, just 4 rivets, its a totally different material

[das boots]

Didn't see this, just 4 rivets, its a totally different material

That's okay. I'll take 4 rivet holes than none at all. I'll take care of the edges with minimum use of adhesives. And also at the same time patterned by using the tab holes provided by the factory similar to the photo of the Pontiac using the tabs to hold the insulation. The tab holes are the ones hold up the insulation. I really do not want to deviate too far from the factory pattern. Okay with that?

[Ryans323i]

I'm in 100%. I need one. (not as much as Dane needs one, lol, but mine is peeling)

[danewilson77]

I'm in 100%. I need one. (not as much as Dane needs one, lol, but mine is peeling)

Actually I don't need one. I have one in my garage. I just want one...

[Ryans323i]

Just curious then, why'd you take it off?

[danewilson77]

Just curious then, why'd you take it off?

It looked like ass.

[HokieZHP]

Well my current liner is in great shape but depending on the price of these, I may get one cause that BMW logo would be sick!

[danewilson77]

$85.00 to $95.00 shipped...depending.

[Hermes]

Ok guys, I promise to make the template when I get home tonight and mail it to him tomorrow. Hopefully he will have them ready soon after that (he only needs to cut the insulation to shape, shouldn't be hard). Will update when I hear from him

[Hermes]

Ok, tried to make it last night but the material I used was not strong enough and ripped. Will go grab something better today and mock up a new one

[danewilson77]

Ok, tried to make it last night but the material I used was not strong enough and ripped. Will go grab something better today and mock up a new one

What template are you making?

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[Hermes]

The liner, I had the outline of the OEM liner on a plastic tarp thing. I taped it to my hood so I could mark all the mounting holes so he could punch them but when I went to remove it the plastic stretched and ripped. I'm gonna go buy something stronger, probably gonna go grab a shower curtain to use

[johnrando]

The liner, I had the outline of the OEM liner on a plastic tarp thing. I taped it to my hood so I could mark all the mounting holes so he could punch them but when I went to remove it the plastic stretched and ripped. I'm gonna go buy something stronger, probably gonna go grab a shower curtain to use

If I was in the area I'd stop by to help you out. Good luck with it... I hope it comes out well.

[danewilson77]

The liner, I had the outline of the OEM liner on a plastic tarp thing. I taped it to my hood so I could mark all the mounting holes so he could punch them but when I went to remove it the plastic stretched and ripped. I'm gonna go buy something stronger, probably gonna go grab a shower curtain to use

I only asked....because I could just ship you my old liner.

[Hermes]

Yeah, I still have mine too. I outlined that fine, it was just when I put the plastic on the hood to mark the holes it got messed up. The only thing I messed up in removing it were the little screw/expanding rivets. Thanks for the offer

[das boots]

JP, need help to make a template? I can get a large but thin board to make as outline. Let me know.

[Hermes]

Sounds good, I'll let you know if I need some assistance but I think I got it. Are you gonna be at the detailing clinic tomorrow?

[das boots]

Negative. I have to work on the E39. I have a valve cover gasket replacement job on S.O.'s 5'er. It seems to have a slight oil leak coming from either cylinder 5 or 6 that was dripping down onto the exhaust pipe. Smells like burnt oil when we open the hood. So, I'll be home all weekend. And more project aside from this....Swing by anytime.

[danewilson77]

OK...no worries.

[danewilson77]

Bump

[Hermes]

Thanks for the bump bud but it's prob not gonna be until March that these are gonna be ready. It will be the first thing I do when I get home next month, and then we just need to wait for them to be made. Realistically I'm thinking mid to late March I will receive the first set, then it will just be a matter of ordering for whoever wants one.

[derbo]

I want one! This sounds awesome :D Would love to replace my hanging hoodliner that shrank from the PO. I want it plain jane no logos. Just the black aircraft material.

Let me know when to paypal you hahahha

[Mtnman]

Hmmm, that means you could have some made and sent to danes for the meet? Interesting......

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[Hermes]

Definitely, you're just gonna have to wait until I get back in town next week to make the template. I don't think they will take that long once I send him the template, I'll update this thread once I send it out to him.

[danewilson77]

Definitely, you're just gonna have to wait until I get back in town next week to make the template. I don't think they will take that long once I send him the template, I'll update this thread once I send it out to him.

:excitedpeeingpants

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[Ryans323i]

Yeah, I'm excited to get this as well.

[cakM3]

JP,

I'm in on this as well when you are ready :)

[kayger12]

I would be very much in on this if it worked with the performance strut brace.

[Hermes]

Keith, why wouldn't it? How tight is the clearance... the liner is only 1/4" thick

[danewilson77]

Keith, why wouldn't it? How tight is the clearance... the liner is only 1/4" thick

Same thickness as oem.

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[kayger12]

You have to cut the oem one when you install the brace so that the hood will close properly. That's what led to me just removing it.

[Hermes]

well that's not cool... I guess that might end my quest to find one of those braces and just find some other one I like

[derbo]

You have to cut the oem one when you install the brace so that the hood will close properly. That's what led to me just removing it.

The hood closes properly with the hood liner in tact. It just rubs a little on the brace. I could care less about that. :P



Can't wait for the new headliner from you Hermes. I'm 100% in!

[kayger12]

The hood closes properly with the hood liner in tact. It just rubs a little on the brace. I could care less about that. :P



Can't wait for the new headliner from you Hermes. I'm 100% in!

Interesting. How long has yours been on there? Would be interested to know if the rubbing has any effect on the finish over time.

Also wondering why BMW installation instructions would have you cut it away if it only rubs. Could have saved myself a lot of aggravation and mess.

[derbo]

I had mine on for over a year now. The finish on the CF is still shiny :)

[danewilson77]

Interesting. How long has yours been on there? Would be interested to know if the rubbing has any effect on the finish over time.

Also wondering why BMW installation instructions would have you cut it away if it only rubs. Could have saved myself a lot of aggravation and mess.

Damn. Looks to be some bad gouge from BMW.

[kayger12]

I had mine on for over a year now. The finish on the CF is still shiny :)

Good info. Thanks.

[kayger12]

Damn. Looks to be some bad gouge from BMW.

All good. Will be my excuse to get one of these ones.

[derbo]

I can see where the bar does hit the liner, but I don't think its enough to cause significant amount of abrasion.

[derbo]

Any updates :)


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[Hermes]

I've been distracted with work and other projects, I'll try to get on it this weekend

[SoarinZHP]

Kick ass... Seeing a mockup would make or break a deal with me...

[derbo]

Cough cough


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[danewilson77]

Cough cough


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Aaaaaachoo!

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[Hermes]

I've been distracted with the 2002, I'll try to work on the liner this weekend

[Hermes]

I just outlined the template, I need to cut the plastic down (70" x 70") to appx size and make sure it lines up right but it's basically ready to be sent out for him to start production

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/zhp%20projects/a38d785a.jpg

be happy that you didn't need to tape some plastic sheet onto your hood

[danewilson77]

Why would you not just use an old underhood liner as the template?

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[Hermes]

It's distorted/dried out and basically screwed up. I'll double check it against my old liner but I'd rather be sure on the hood

[danewilson77]

It's distorted/dried out and basically screwed up. I'll double check it against my old liner but I'd rather be sure on the hood

Copy. Thanks for doing this.

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[Ryans323i]

Yeah thanks! I still want one.

[brettbimmer]

Thanks for the hard work with this JP. I was thinking about this earlier today when I was looking at my saggy insulation. Any chance these would be ready by Sigfest? If so, it may be easier shipping a few to one address. Just a thought & think I need one under my IR bonnet too.

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[Hermes]

I'll send it out next week so I'm thinking he should have them ready in time. I can't imagine it would take that long to cut them to shape

[derbo]

Hermes. Awesome man! Let me know! I'm in for one.


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[HokieZHP]

How much for one? Depending on price I'd be in for one as well


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[kayger12]

I'm in.

I wish this was sent with a Galaxy S3

[cakM3]

JP, let me know when you're ready. I would like to see how it looks before pulling the trigger for one :)

[danewilson77]

Pulling trigger regardless. The guy does quality work. Did we decide on a logo/emblem?

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[Hermes]

Sounds good everyone. I'll try to get a pic up once I get the first one.

Chris, liner is $80 and shipping is $15 but he can fit 3 per box so if we can get groups of 3 to buy them it comes out to $85 each. ECS sells the original one (p/n 51488193941) for $83.42 but that one will just dry out again.

Dane, he said he will do any simple design you want. He has a 14" roundel already or you can just have whatever you want that is simple (text, etc). He also said the liner can be airbrushed as long as the paint used can handle the engine heat

[danewilson77]

14" roundel is fine. Thank you.

[kayger12]

Yep, roundel good here as well.

[danewilson77]

KG.....what do you think about getting "ULTIMATE" above the roundel and "DRIVING MACHINE" below it?

[kayger12]

Little too much for me, bud.

Looking to keep it simple.

[danewilson77]

Copy.

[HokieZHP]

Sounds good everyone. I'll try to get a pic up once I get the first one.

Chris, liner is $80 and shipping is $15 but he can fit 3 per box so if we can get groups of 3 to buy them it comes out to $85 each. ECS sells the original one (p/n 51488193941) for $83.42 but that one will just dry out again.

Dane, he said he will do any simple design you want. He has a 14" roundel already or you can just have whatever you want that is simple (text, etc). He also said the liner can be airbrushed as long as the paint used can handle the engine heat

Sounds good, I'm in!


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[derbo]

I would like a plain one without any design just black! It will have to be shipped me to regardless. I might just buy 3 with anyone locally here in San Francisco.


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[johnrando]

Still thinking I'd be up for one with the Roundel after looking at mine. JP, you need my hood insulation to help with the pattern?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Hate to be a spoilsport but the roundel is a trademark that belongs to BMW. Use of it would be a trademark violation. Using BMW phrases is a violation as well. In the past I've clamped down on people using my site to violate trademarks. It's made worse because BMW's trademark attorney has contacted me previously. Therefore, feel free to sell them just don't involve the site.

Thanks, guys.


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[danewilson77]

Ok Boss. Got it.

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[Hermes]

Yeah, I had a feeling about that. I personally don't think I'm gonna get anything on mine

[johnrando]

Hmmm, would using ZHP be a violation?

[zhp43867]

Delete your post and we can all forget you asked. Plausible deniability... :shifty

[Hermes]

I think the issue is if we sell something with a logo that BMW owns. I would think that you decide to do on your own car should be fine as long as we are not promoting it. Theoretically you could put 100 roundels all over your car since you can do whatever you want on your own property... but that would look like crap

[HokieZHP]

I think, assuming Marcus is okay with it, it would be cool to put ZHPMafia on there. Just an idea


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[Marcus-SanDiego]

I think the issue is if we sell something with a logo that BMW owns. I would think that you decide to do on your own car should be fine as long as we are not promoting it. Theoretically you could put 100 roundels all over your car since you can do whatever you want on your own property... but that would look like crap

That's correct. You can put the roundel on your personal stuff. Just don't sell it. Once you start selling something, with BMW's trademark on it, you've run afoul of the trademark laws. That's what I am talking about.

As for the ZHP Mafia trademark, you can use that as long as you get permission, or license its use, from the trademark holder. This assumes, of course, that you plan on selling your product. If the trademark holders says no, and you sell something with the mark on it, the trademark owner can come after you for treble damages.

[zhp43867]

How about Hermes gives all the roundel equipped hood liners to us for free and then adds hefty shipping fees. :cigar

[Hermes]

Hahaha, I'm not the one selling these. This all started out because I couldn't figure out how to remove the old one and it just kinda spiraled out from there.

[Ryans323i]

Hmm. I forgot about the logo infringement. The liner itself still looks really nice, and of nice quality. JP if your guy is willing to make a handful of these, plain of course, I'm sure some of us would still want them. Sorry you got caught in the middle. You can't show people with the mod bug cool stuff and not expect them to want it too! nono

[derbo]

Plain liner is the dealio yo!


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[danewilson77]

:drool

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Other%20cars/1-2.jpg

Copyright infringement in progress....

[carsontl]

isn't there a way around it Marcus? Like if he gives them away and people donate $80-$100 to him for his time?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Tom, that's just a violation by another name. Any court in this land would call that a violation. It's clear that you're paying the guy to perform a service, which in reality is a service to build a product -- a product that infringes on someone's trademark.

Anyhow, simply avoid selling this product through the forum. If you guys want to talk behind the scenes, that's your prerogative. Just don't want it in the public forum.

Thanks, guys.

[carsontl]

Tom, that's just a violation by another name. Any court in this land would call that a violation. It's clear that you're paying the guy to perform a service, which in reality is a service to build a product -- a product that infringes on someone's trademark.

Anyhow, simply avoid selling this product through the forum. If you guys want to talk behind the scenes, that's your prerogative. Just don't want it in the public forum.

Thanks, guys.

Roger that boss.

[derbo]

I would assume a plain one would be okay to talk about.

[danewilson77]

I would assume a plain one would be okay to talk about.

Maybe... :)

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[HokieZHP]

I say if we're doing plain, we should just make a new thread with an official list of who wants ine


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[derbo]

Maybe... :)

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Seems like a custom insulation shield to me :)


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[Marcus-SanDiego]

A new thread would be a great idea.

[danewilson77]

A new thread would be a great idea.

Copy Boss. I'll let JP start it.

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[Hermes]

I'll do it once I get home

[danewilson77]

I'll do it once I get home

Thanks JP.

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[Hermes]

Posting other thread now

Edit: other thread found here http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6906

[05ZHPCPE]

Did an engine cleaning last year and got my hoodliner soaked. I took out off and physically wrung it out. It shrunk about a 1/2inch and has bothered me ever since. I'll be looking out for install pics, possibly onboard with this one.

[carsontl]

Since we have so many, think he'll cut the price a bit? haha

[danewilson77]

Think he could put this on mine JP?

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Funny/hashbrown.jpg

[Hermes]

Too much detail I think

[danewilson77]

OK. Darn. Thanks JP.

[brettbimmer]

Think he could put this on mine JP?

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Funny/hashbrown.jpg

LOL, so it would have to be the "Golden Arcs" with McDowell's as the name? :D

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[danewilson77]

LOL, so it would have to be the "Golden Arcs" with McDowell's as the name? :D

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Yes. Of course.

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[Marcus-SanDiego]

LOL, so it would have to be the "Golden Arcs" with McDowell's as the name? :D

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Coming to America. Win.

[brettbimmer]

Coming to America. Win.

Haha, that's it! I was worried that I had crickets to that reference.

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[Marcus-SanDiego]

Haha, that's it! I was worried that I had crickets to that reference.

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:chuck


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[derbo]

whatever happened to this project?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I killed the other thread on it. Never heard back about compensating our site to sell products. Look for this thread to die as well.

For a recap of my policy, click the privacy policy link at bottom of site. Scroll down to the bottom of page after that.


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