BMW E46 330i ZHP AFE DAS (Dual Air Scoop) DIY doityourself

[danewilson77]

Tools required:

1. Phillips Screwdriver
2. Standard Screwdriver
3. Beer

And of course......AFE DAS's.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/IMAG0426.jpg

Step 1. Remove stock air scoop by removing 3 plastic rivets.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/E46intake-1.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/image001.jpg

Have a beer....and know...you are half way done with this diy.

Step 2. Remove 2 phillips head screws....hidden below the intake, and pull out on grille scoops, and put the DAS in. The green dots below indicate approximate position of screws. Reinstall intake and three pop rivets.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/IMAG0427-1.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/IMAG0426-1.jpg

Have a beer and enjoy a 40Hp gain. Cheers.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/IMAG0428.jpg

[trancenation]

Dane,

are you worried about any increase in rainwater passing into the intake?

[danewilson77]

Dane,

are you worried about any increase in rainwater passing into the intake?

No

[bullfrogs_M3]

I don't think that is going to be too much of an issue unless he nose plows into some puddles or a truck decides to use his car to show what a wave looks like hitting a BMW.

All modern airboxes have water outlets at the bottom of the box to let out large amounts of water. Plus it would take a substantial amount of water to hydrolock an engine. Substantial amount as in more than rainwater (short of possibly a hurricane) can produce. Most water that does get sucked into our airboxes on normal rainy day situations gets vaporized anyway.

Just my 2 cents

[danewilson77]

I don't think that is going to be too much of an issue unless he nose plows into some puddles or a truck decides to use his car to show what a wave looks like hitting a BMW.

All modern airboxes have water outlets at the bottom of the box to let out large amounts of water. Plus it would take a substantial amount of water to hydrolock an engine. Substantial amount as in more than rainwater (short of possibly a hurricane) can produce. Most water that does get sucked into our airboxes on normal rainy day situations gets vaporized anyway.

Just my 2 cents

I like your $0.02 J :biggrin

[Hornung418]

Too bad you can't prove these on a dyno unless you were in a NASA Wind Tunnel. I'm sure you'll feel a difference at WOT :biggrin

[danewilson77]

Too bad you can't prove these on a dyno unless you were in a NASA Wind Tunnel. I'm sure you'll feel a difference at WOT :biggrin

The setup makes sense.

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[Hornung418]

The setup makes sense.

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Totally! Did you keep your stock air box? I wonder if you could feel a difference between the two with the scoops.

RootedDROIDXstatus. Come at me, bro.

[danewilson77]

Totally! Did you keep your stock air box? I wonder if you could feel a difference between the two with the scoops.

RootedDROIDXstatus. Come at me, bro.

Dunno. I still have stock airbox.

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[Johal E32]

really a 40hp? (that was a serious question :rofl) nice diy! :)

[danewilson77]

really a 40hp? (that was a serious question :rofl) nice diy! :)

Actually it was 60...but I am playing conservative.

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[HokieZHP]

Someone on E46f did a test on intake temps and the temps at full throttle from 60mph or something dropped by ~10* because of these intakes.

[Hornung418]

Good info, Chris!

[Johnmadd]

Too bad you can't prove these on a dyno unless you were in a NASA Wind Tunnel. I'm sure you'll feel a difference at WOT :biggrin

Well actually ...... there is a nasa windtunel in Hampton across from the local nascar track.

[Hornung418]

Yeah, UMD has one too, But I don't know if they can get a dyno in there with out it being blown away LOL

[bimmeryota]

Dane,
I was looking on the AFE website for this and it didn't show up for non-M cars, did you adapt an M3 DAS for your car or do you have an inside scoop on this new item? I like the idea of keeping the stock intake and increasing the airflow so this may be my next performance mod.
thanks!

[danewilson77]

It's for non ///M cars as well. Fits by design.

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[wsmeyer]

really a 40hp? (that was a serious question :rofl) nice diy! :)

It's roughly 20hp per scoop... which is why I put six on mine.

William.

[danewilson77]

It's roughly 20hp per scoop... which is why I put six on mine.

William.

:rofl

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[mikeyb74]

Dane, Do you have the part number for these?

Edit nevermind I find it. My next performance purchase. It would complement the AFe throttle body spacer I have.

[JHiggy]

ModBargain Special for the DAS: http://www.modbargains.com/aFe-Intake-Scoop-Value-Package-E46-M3-45-60081.htm. Scoop + gear @ $89.95 pre-shipping.

[M0nk3y]

Too bad you can't prove these on a dyno unless you were in a NASA Wind Tunnel. I'm sure you'll feel a difference at WOT :biggrin


The setup makes sense.

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There is a RPi scoop for the Z4M. I know that's off topic but everyone that has installed them has said that with the OEM intake there is a CONSIDERABLE increase in response above 50 MPH.


ModBargain Special for the DAS: http://www.modbargains.com/aFe-Intake-Scoop-Value-Package-E46-M3-45-60081.htm. Scoop + gear @ $89.95 pre-shipping.

Be careful...are the E46Ms and Non-E46Ms intakes the same at that component?

[JHiggy]

Good point Monkey. I took Dane's #17 post to presume it would be the same for non-M but a different one might be for us. Price is different for a separately listed scoop for E46. They don't seem to have the package scoop advertised with a specific skw/man. part but at the bottom of the page they indicate it's application is for 01-06 E46 M3 with (45-60081). Checked AFE's site and searched for that number with no results. But you could easily be right.

http://www.modbargains.com/aFe-Dynamic-Air-Scoop-BMW-E46.htm - specifically listed for E46 @ $129.95 (54-10468)

I checked AFE's site for BMW and came to their page where scoops were listed. Didn't find anything differentiating non-M v. M:

http://afepower.com/bmw.php?page=2&brandID=0&sortby=newest&menu=bmw&searchtype=family

I'll ring them Monday to ask if the package scoop's manufacturer # is 54-10468; will update/remove post if different.

[JHiggy]

I think I have a preliminary answer:

Post #5 & 6: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=844445 - looks to be the same deal/types of questions.

[AProudSailor]

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[nike001]

Woah. So they fit? even though they are marketed as for the M3?

[danewilson77]

Woah. So they fit? even though they are marketed as for the M3?

NO...I got the non ///M3 kind. It's a different part number.

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[nike001]

NO...I got the non ///M3 kind. It's a different part number.

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Ohhh poo :(

I have a gift certificate for $100 at rogueengineering that I won at Eurofest this past spring and it's almost worthless to me since nothing on their site fits my car. They had a set yours that were $100 but I guess they won't fit.

[danewilson77]

Ohhh poo :(

I have a gift certificate for $100 at rogueengineering that I won at Eurofest this past spring and it's almost worthless to me since nothing on their site fits my car..

Sell to someone for $75?

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[nike001]

Sell to someone for $75?

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I could do this.. or I was going to just give it to Terra for helping me so many times :)

[Hermes]

Ohhh poo :(

I have a gift certificate for $100 at rogueengineering that I won at Eurofest this past spring and it's almost worthless to me since nothing on their site fits my car. They had a set yours that were $100 but I guess they won't fit.

$99 - http://www.rogueengineering.com/rogue/S_BUSH/RSM.html
http://www.rogueengineering.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/suspension/rsm/rsm_full_550.jpg

[M0nk3y]

$100 off power pulleys would be nice ;)

[AProudSailor]

PM'd you

[mikeyb74]

Woah. So they fit? even though they are marketed as for the M3?


NO...I got the non ///M3 kind. It's a different part number.

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It's the same part for both Non M and M3s.

http://afepower.com/shop/details_new.php?partno=54-10468&filter&menu=gas&engine=3.2L&searchtype=vehicle&make=BMW&model=M3&year=2005&engine=3.2L&&brandID=87

[Au2bahn]

Dane, anymore feedback on these? Any noticeable gains or response?

[danewilson77]

Idk. My car just hauls ass.

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[Au2bahn]

Nice. I may get one cuz I want my car to haul ass too. Lol




Idk. My car just hauls ass.

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[kayger12]

Nice. I may get one cuz I want my car to haul ass too. Lol

If Dane's car hauls ass, your car hauls three asses.

[danewilson77]

....and....it was free. Not the car....the Das.

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[Hermes]

do you think i can make this work? I have that little fan in front of the radiator...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/zhp%20projects/d00b5b88.jpg

[danewilson77]

I think we all have de lil fan bro.

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[Hornung418]

Dane...Autos have the fan in front of the radiator...you know this! Standard trans have an electric fan behind the radiator.

JP, this shouldn't be an issue, go for it!

[danewilson77]

Perhaps. I just thought autos had the mechanical fan, and the aux pusher fan. Manuals just had aux pusher fan.

Guess....I never had to mess with the one in front on the old auto.

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[Hermes]

I think we all have de lil fan bro.

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you don't

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/IMAG0428.jpg


i think I might just have to order one

[danewilson77]

you don't

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/IMAG0428.jpg


i think I might just have to order one

Yeah....I'm having brain issues.

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[echo46]

Come on Dane, get back on point, you're better than that.

[danewilson77]

Come on Dane, get back on point, you're better than that.

Whatever......it's all running together.

Say....what are these angle eye things everyone is talking about.

[kayger12]

Whatever......it's all running together.

Say....what are these angle eye things everyone is talking about.

:rofl

[LivesNearCostco]

Dane, thanks for this writeup. Hermes recommended this in a different forum and now I'm planning to get one, just have to decide when. I like that I can use this with my stock airbox now and with an aFe or K&N intake box later.

[danewilson77]

Dane, thanks for this writeup. Hermes recommended this in a different forum and now I'm planning to get one, just have to decide when. I like that I can use this with my stock airbox now and with an aFe or K&N intake box later.

Yup. No worries.

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[LivesNearCostco]

Dane, where did you post your intake dyno test results (with or without the scoops)?

Edit: And thanks to all else who posted about this on here, and to Hermes for answering my questions about it over at e46fanatics.com. I ordered the $89 deal package today with a $5 "cyber money" coupon I heard about in today's CCA email newsletter. I don't know if it's gonna help at AutoX (typical top speed for me, 65mph), but should be good for a few HP on track straightaways. I read the thread on E46fanatics where the guy showed the scoops dropped IATs 4° to 10°F at faster speeds.

[danewilson77]

Oh where did you post your intake dyno test results?

No dyno yet. Gotta do vanos first.

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[Hermes]

this is the dyno thread: http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?1714-BMW-E46-330-ZHP-and-Non-ZHP-Dyno-graphs.

also, none of us really have just the DAS, so dyno will show multiple mods.


on a separate note, I was talking to Nick (chapter pres) a while back and he said that back in the Cunningham days some customer decided to put all the possible BMW Performance parts on their car, car lost HP and gained FT/LBs... weird

[LivesNearCostco]

Hermes, thanks for the link. Actually I figure scoops will not show any difference on the dyno unless you have a powerful fan blowing air at 70 mph into the scoops. I was wondering more about a dyno test of aFe (or K&N) intake vs. stock airbox vs. BMW Performance intake.

All BMW Performance mods lost HP? Interesting... I do hear of certain mods sacrificing low-end torque to gain high-end HP. Or racers in some classes tuning to increase torque but decrease peak HP so they can run a lighter car but still have the torque for acceleration, as some classes limit your HP-to-weight ratio.

Dane, haven't you done VANOS seals a few times already for various people?

[danewilson77]

^Yes

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[LivesNearCostco]

Mod Bargains just called. They're sold out of the $89 aFe super scooper (aka "aFe E46 M3 intake Scoop Value Package"). They will still honor the sale price but it won't come with the keychain, baseball cap, and license plate frame. I told them I'd take it anyway. Heck I don't need more power... the ZHP has more than enough power for me on the street, though maybe that's because I don't drag race and have never driven a muscle car. It's only for those fleeting seconds on the track when the M3 is pulling ahead of me on the straight and the instructor is yelling "full throttle" but doesn't realize I already floored it one second earlier. For that 0.01% of my driving time I am willing to spend a few thousand on parts, software, and maintenance. How silly am I?

The key point for fellow Mafiosi is if you want this scoop, ask Mod Bargains if you can get it at the Value Package price of $90 instead of $130 (plus shipping, and sales tax if you live in CA).

[Hermes]

That sucks you don't get all the goodies but it's good they at least still honored the price for the DAS. Also, I feel like I've got slightly better gas mileage since I put it in

[webster]

just ordered the $90 DAS from mod bargains. thanks for the heads up!

[danewilson77]

just ordered the $90 DAS from mod bargains. thanks for the heads up!

Eggsellent.

[AProudSailor]

Thank you for your inquiry and I’ll do my best to help you out. Could you please let me know where you saw the special price of $89 on that item specifically? Please send me over a link and I’d be more than happy to look into this for you. Feel free to also give me a call here directly at 714-582-3330 x 8006 or ask for Alan as that is the best way to get in touch with me. My office hours are M-F 8am-5pm PST. Looking forward to hearing from you again soon!

Best Regards,

Alan Wei
Senior Sales Representative
www.ModBargains.com (outbind://52-000000005C961B8532D8F14C9A354F2F99A34D9E04882300/www.ModBargains.com)
Phone: 714-582-3330 x 8006
Fax: 562-694-4198
Hours: M-F, 8 AM - 5 PM PST

Hmmmm.. help me out here guys....

[webster]

looks like they pulled it from their website. i ordered it a few days ago and they called me to tell me the package was out of stock but they'd honor $90 price on the DAS..i got lucky

[danewilson77]

Nice...

[LivesNearCostco]

The link to the value deal no longer works but was here: http://www.modbargains.com/aFe-Intake-Scoop-Value-Package-E46-M3-45-60081.htm

If he just wants the link, you can send him the link! But not sure that will be enough to get the old price. If they buy them from aFe for less than $80, maybe they will still honor the price for you as a way to try to win you as a new customer. If they are paying >$89 in their costs, then I doubt they will honor the old price. Or TME Tuning still lists it on their web site, though I assume they don't actually have it in stock:
http://www.tmrtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=735

[Meric]

http://www.gogonoodles.com/images/homer_drool.jpg

Oh my god. I'm drooling on my iPad rightnow.. Great product! Another well written DIY dane! Great work! :)

[trancenation]

so is there confirmation on whether this works for automatic cars or not?

[Hermes]

so is there confirmation on whether this works for automatic cars or not?

It does, I have it in mine

[trancenation]

If you guys are still in search of an AFE DAS (aFe Power 54-10468)for a reasonable price, check Amazon.com . I was able to source one fore $110 shipped.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TT090U/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=zhpcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003TT090U

click NEW (other sellers and scroll down until you see Performance Parts Place (vendor)

Enjoy!

[Hermes]

if you guys are still in search of an afe das (afe power 54-10468)for a reasonable price, check amazon.com . I was able to source one fore $110 shipped.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TT090U/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=zhpcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003TT090U

click new (other sellers and scroll down until you see performance parts place (vendor)

enjoy!

make sure to use the affiliate link (http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?229-List-of-Affiliate-Advertisers-at-ZHP-Mafia)!!!

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I put the aFe product in the Amazon.com store: http://astore.amazon.com/zhpcom-20?_encoding=UTF8&node=43

[Hermes]

I'm thinking of painting mine (either red or yellow)

http://i.imgur.com/gK8Vk.jpg

^ looks hawt

[HokieZHP]

I was thinking of doing that also. Just not sure which color to go with. Plus if you don't like it, you can always go back!

[nike001]

I wonder if there are any *actual* gains in this..

I'm sure it won't hurt at highway speeds...but I rarely travel at highway speeds.

[drfreeman]

I think the scoop can provide colder air into the air intake and prevent sucking hot air in. I was thinking about cutting the driver side brake airduct inlet next to the fog light to suck in more cold air into the bottom of the AFE housing. And put a plastic cover to cover the hole in the rainy day. Sound like my silly mod :P

[UdubBadger]

you won't feel a thing. had these on my 328 E90 - good in theory but they really don't do anything unless you're hitting like 150mph. even at 70mph the benefit is marginal.

looks cool though.