Beisan Systems Vanos repair kit

[Hermes]

so I just ordered the kit from Beisan... wondering who else has done this themselves and what else from the list of 'other parts (http://www.beisansystems.com/procedures/vanos_procedure.htm)' they say to get you actually bought. All I ordered so far is the seal repair kit and the valve cover gasket set. I'm forgot to order a vanos gasket when I was doing this so I need to go pick one of those up. This was their list:

Double vanos seals repair kit (6-cyl) (BS001)
vanos gasket (11-36-1-433-817)
2 x vanos oil hose/pipe washer (32-41-1-093-596)

Valve cover gasket replacement parts:
valve cover gasket set (>= 09/02 11-12-0-030-496)
15 x valve cover bolt grommet (11-12-1-437-395)
oil fill neck gasket (11-12-7-526-447)

Easily breakable parts:
2 x vanos piston bolt (11-36-1-748-745)

4 x engine cover bolt/nut cap (11-12-1-726-089)
(E46 1 x) fan shroud rivet (17-11-1-712-963)

Easily lost parts:
4 x engine cover pad (11-12-1-730-352)

[danewilson77]

Get the seals, VCG, Vanos gasket, 15 grommets, 2 banjo bolts, and Permatex. I have never had a vanos piston bolt break on me...remember...reverse threaded here.

[Hermes]

cool. now I just have to wait for parts to come in...

[kayger12]

Get the seals, VCG, Vanos gasket, 15 grommets, 2 banjo bolts, and Permatex. I have never had a vanos piston bolt break on me...remember...reverse threaded here.

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[Cadeez]

I just did mine and had no issues with the piston bolts, they were very easy to remove.

[echo46]

I did the beisan sysyten vanos refresh on my e36 and am very happy with the results. Fairly straight forward job as long as you have the necessary tools. I rented the tools from another e36 owner. You need the cam locking blocks, sprocket turner, crankshaft lock pin, and camshaft tensioner lock pin. I also bought the vice grip covers and the low profile socket. I also did the anti rattle kit since I had the vanos out. It took me about 3 hours which included the valave cover gasket replace. Take your time and it will be fine.

[Hermes]

so I think I finally have everything I need to do this but one quick question for you guys, do you know if we have a mechanical or electric fan? Seems like it was based on model/production year and I might need to go pick up a few last things if its not an electric...

[Hornung418]

Fan type is determined by transmission type. If you have an Automatic, you will have a Clutch driven fan. If you have a Manual transmission, you will have an Electric fan.

[trancenation]

So the following are the necessary items to install the seal repair kit?

Double vanos seals repair kit (6-cyl) (BS001)
vanos gasket (11-36-1-433-817)
2 x vanos oil hose/pipe washer (32-41-1-093-596)

Valve cover gasket replacement parts:
valve cover gasket set (>= 09/02 11-12-0-030-496)
15 x valve cover bolt grommet (11-12-1-437-395)
oil fill neck gasket (11-12-7-526-447)

[danewilson77]

So the following are the necessary items to install the seal repair kit?

Double vanos seals repair kit (6-cyl) (BS001)
vanos gasket (11-36-1-433-817)
2 x vanos oil hose/pipe washer (32-41-1-093-596)

Valve cover gasket replacement parts:
valve cover gasket set (>= 09/02 11-12-0-030-496)
15 x valve cover bolt grommet (11-12-1-437-395)
oil fill neck gasket (11-12-7-526-447)

And the anti-rattle kit...should you think you need it. Get a tube of permatex as well.

If you do install the ARK...you will need some other supplies as well.

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[trancenation]

Ah ok thanks Dane. What other supplies will i need in order to install the ARK too? How about new teflon seals?

[danewilson77]

No....you would just need the anti rattle kit, a pneumatic ratchet, 36mm socket, and soft jaw vice liners. That's it.

[Scorpius]

ok...i've been wondering what this vanos rattle is. seeing so much talk of it. Looked it up on youtube and man...the sound sends shivers down my spine.
So how is it i'm nearing 200k on my car and don't have this noise? Seems like everyone's complaining about it. OIL brand? Something else?

[danewilson77]

Could be attributed to maintenance and/or how the car was driven. I don't have the rattle either.

[Scorpius]

Could be attributed to maintenance and/or how the car was driven. I don't have the rattle either.

I drive mine pretty hard. It sees triple digits almost daily. Change the oil every 14-15k, other fluids to specs. One thing i'm religious on, Mann filters and Mobil 1 synthetic extended performance 5w30. So much so that all my cars, even my mower runs it ;-)

[kayger12]

Could be attributed to maintenance and/or how the car was driven. I don't have the rattle either.

I don't think it's attributable to maintenance or driving style.

My car was immaculate when I bought it at 45k miles and already had it (granted, it could have been driven hard). Had the vanos replaced under CPO, though, and within 1k miles it was back.

I don't beat on my car and am ridiculously anal about maintenance.

I've just resigned myself to the fact that she's going to rattle until I do the Beisan kit next year.

[echo46]

I did the beisan seals and anti rattle kit last week on the ZHP. It was actually a lot easier then when idid it on my e36. No need to lock the timing so it saved at least an hour. I had a minor VCG leak so I figured it was a good time to also do the vanos refresh. Fairly straightforward. Only thing I had to buy was an impact driver/wrench. Glad I got it out of the way.

[WOLFN8TR]

Just noticed a VCG leak also. Looks like I will be doing the VANOS also. I do not have any rattle with just hitting 100K, should I do the anti rattle kit anyway?

[danewilson77]

Just noticed a VCG leak also. Looks like I will be doing the VANOS also. I do not have any rattle with just hitting 100K, should I do the anti rattle kit anyway?

Yes.

[WOLFN8TR]

Thanks

[Mike V]

It happened to mine at 23k miles so I don't think it's related to maintenance.

[echo46]

If your going to do it, do both the seals and the anti rattle kit.

[kayger12]

Ok- I'm going to buck conventional wisdom here.

If you haven't developed the rattle by now, chances are you won't.

I'd skip the anti-rattle kit.

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[echo46]

I hear your logic but if you have it off why not just do the anti rattle kit? I know it's an extra 60 bucks but really not that much more work. The ZHP anti rattle kit and seals were much easier than the e36 refresh.

[danewilson77]

Ok- I'm going to buck conventional wisdom here.

If you haven't developed the rattle by now, chances are you won't.

I'd skip the anti-rattle kit.

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[kayger12]

I hear your logic but if you have it off why not just do the anti rattle kit? I know it's an extra 60 bucks but really not that much more work. The ZHP anti rattle kit and seals were much easier than the e36 refresh.

I hear you-- just throwing out a different point of view.

$60, plus another potential $100 if you need the vice, jaw liners, and impact wrench.

I personally wouldn't spend $160 for something that hasn't materialized in 100,000 miles that is typically evident at much lower mileage on ZHP M54s that seem predisposed to the rattle (mine was already rattling at 45k).

That being said, if I buttoned her back up and she started rattling 6 months down the road, I'd definitely want to kick myself in the ass...

[danewilson77]

Love it. Ain't that the truth KG. You just never know.

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[trancenation]

This may sound like a stupid question, but do we need to drain the oil before performing this repair?

[Hermes]

You don't, but it makes life easier

[ELCID86]

This may sound like a stupid question, but do we need to drain the oil before performing this repair?
Nope.

You don't, but it makes life easier
Why?

[Hermes]

Why?

You don't have to worry about containing as much oil when you pull the VANOS since it's not as full. If anything just drain a few qts so it lowers the level of oil in the engine and top off when done

[E_Rak]

I'd plan on changing that oil a few hundred miles after the job too... You don't know what kind of dirt and shizz got in there with the valve cover off. Personal opinion though

[ELCID86]

You don't have to worry about containing as much oil when you pull the VANOS since it's not as full. If anything just drain a few qts so it lowers the level of oil in the engine and top off when done

I had some seepage but not uncontrollable.


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[ELCID86]

I'd plan on changing that oil a few hundred miles after the job too... You don't know what kind of dirt and shizz got in there with the valve cover off. Personal opinion though

Not a bad idea. Thanks.


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[Smolck]

Why?

Agree, draining the oil does nothing. Regardless of what is in the sump, it is going to have oil in the VANOS housing anyways. Best thing you can do is let it sit overnight and then work on it before cranking it up. Not only will you avoid burning yourself, but the smallest amount possible of oil will spill. But it will still spill. Put a rag over your A/C compressor and lower rad hose and you will be just fine.

[ELCID86]

I used a rag and trash bag over pulleys, belts and on the floor.


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[E_Rak]

I used a rag and trash bag over pulleys, belts and on the floor.


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Yeah, put a bunch of rags over the belts and pulleys. I had to leave mine overnight, and put a large trash bag over the entire head!

[danewilson77]

I've completed no less than 10 vanos jobs and have never drained the oil. Leakage is minimal. Just minimize what get on the belts.

A small Tupperware container and rags at the ready are a good idea.

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[kayger12]

I've completed no less than 10 vanos jobs and have never drained the oil. Leakage is minimal. Just minimize what get on the belts.

A small Tupperware container and rags at the ready are a good idea.

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[Hermes]

I agree, I'm just saying it's my technique.

funny thing I noticed, I started this thread 2.5 years ago... I completely forgot about this thread