E46 wear for sale.....

[danewilson77]

Thought I would let you guys in on this also.

Still awaiting zhp gear......pfft......still waiting....yawn.......mmmm.....yawn.....buuuuurp.


http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1560670

[zhp43867]

Dane I no haz permission to view that page.

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss231/my2angels_2009/embarrassed_cat.jpg

[danewilson77]

Yeah....just found out that my thread was disabled until I get permission for this. Assholes....

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Yup. No permission to view that thread.

What's the deal with that, Dane? Is it a private thread on bf.c?

[danewilson77]

Post above not adequate....

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Post above not adequate....

?

[danewilson77]

They said I did not get permission to make the thread.....

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Ahh, ok. Makes sense.

[pyreguy]

I was able to view it when it was posted. Must've caught it right before they did! So what, they didn't like you inviting us on this forum to get to that thread thru a link posted here? Politics.......:rolleyes:

[danewilson77]

^....no...I do not think that was the case. I think they simply wanted me to ask their permission first, to even put the thread on their forum. Stupid if you ask me. Me and Mike stand to make zero money from this and simply wanted to offer the guys some cool..custom products...since I had done business with Mike before.

Whatever...

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Thanks for the clarification, DW.

[danewilson77]

^np.....really kinda pisses me off though.

[pyreguy]

On a happier note, I like the new picture in your sig...

[danewilson77]

Thanks

[kayger12]

Any update on this, DW?

[danewilson77]

Naaa....I better ask again.....

[Rayzah Blade]

ah yes.. the politics on bf.c best to just tiptoe around there sometimes.

[danewilson77]

So...yeah....I PM Kevlar yesterday and ask him whats up. He says that this other guy is on vacation....so I will have to wait till he gets back. Not happy....as this was only for the guys on the forum, and would have only brought more publicity to his forum. I don't get it. I hadn't even really planned to get anything for myself.

Still in a hold pattern. The thread with the orders are still there.

[danewilson77]

I am considering asking Marcus if he would mind me running the sale through our forum.....and I'll just PM the guys over there....even if it does get approved at Bf.c. I need the thread and the orders and so on...

[Marcus-SanDiego]

DW, you are free to do it here on the site.

In return, I only ask that, if you ever make it out to San Diego, you go out of your way to make some time for me so that we can have dinner together (my treat).

[kayger12]

I am considering asking Marcus if he would mind me running the sale through our forum.....and I'll just PM the guys over there....even if it does get approved at Bf.c. I need the thread and the orders and so on...

I like this idea.

Nice to know that the customer service at bf.c is so timely :shifty

[danewilson77]

Ya....I can't believe Kevlar....being the admin....can't make decisions like this on his own.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

DW, what's the hitch? What's the problem with selling stuff through a particular thread?

[danewilson77]

I don't know what happened. I had the thread up there for like 3 weeks.....and all of sudden it got removed. I inquired and they said I "hadn't gotten permission yet"

You know.....the permission I would need to "help members" on the site. I was not doing it for profit, and neither was scrnprntr. I only started the thread, because DJ Syco wanted a Beenie, and I thought I would see If I could get whatever people wanted. We didn't want to infringe on "copyright" so we decided to go with the E46 logo.....

the items we were sellin were..

Pretty simple stuff really....just something to shoe off your E46 pride....

1. Beenies
2. Hoodies
3. LS/SS shirts
4. Laynards.

Sample of all products below, and these can't be gotten anywhere else....

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/Hoodie.png

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/E46shirtback.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/e46beenie.png

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/E46shirtfront.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/E46Lanyard.png

[Marcus-SanDiego]

DW, you may have a trademark issue there. I would be surprised if E46 is not a registered trademark of BMW AG. As a result, you need a license from BMW to be able to use those marks in commerce. It's possible that BMW contacted Bf.c. Not sure, though. I don't know what happened.

BMW wants to control its marks. It does not want the buying public to think that it is getting BMW-approved, or manufactured, gear from them -- when it is not. That's why BMW licenses its marks and makes sure that it signs off on the quality.

[danewilson77]

That is not the reason Bf.c took it off their site. Good point though. The only trademark issue I think we would have is if we used the roundel. Hey....wait a second. Isn't the roundel a trademarked symbol? How would we use it here then?

Did you have to get permission from BMW NA?

How would I use it in my avatar....etc.?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

There are several tests, Dane, that go into trademark infringement.

At the core, trademark holders are worried about people being confused about the source, origin, or sponsorship of a product that has the mark on it. No such worry here about that. No one would confuse this site as being affiliated with BMW. Moreover, no one would think that the source of this site has anything to do with BMW AG. Ditto the origin.

The better argument that BMW could make -- and this is the catch-all argument that trademark holders use -- is that I am diluting their mark (I'm using their mark and I'm using it -- tangentially -- in commerce). Dilution itself is the injury that BMW cites when it makes this argument. There is an 8-factor test to determine dilution under the anti-dillution statute.

My guess is that BMW would have less issue with me and my use of its mark and a LOT more issue with the E46 merchandise that someone is trying to sell. Consumers would be more likely to think that the E46 merchandise is coming from BMW. Consumers, even if they knew that the product was made by someone other than BMW, might still think that the merchandise is authorized by BMW.

The E46 merchandise is exactly the kind of trademark infringement that BMW looks for.

[danewilson77]

mmm...ok.

[Mtnman]

dude, i want the toboggan. stat. where do i find it. thats money

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Is there a toboggan in this thread? I missed it!

[Mtnman]

it might be an east coast west coast thing, but what i call a toboggan is like a beenie. do you see it now? its in dane's post on page 3.

[az3579]

On the shirt with the 10 things listed on it,
I know and agree with all of them, but there is one that I have seen but have absolutely no idea what it means.

I've Googled it and saw the first page of the thread, but what the hell does E46 vs. E36 (8-16-07) mean????

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I think there was a great debate thread about E36 v. E46. Must have been dated August 16, 2007.

[az3579]

I just read through half of that thread and it seems like nothing special, just a bunch of little girls arguing over stupid crap. Typical OT stuff; what makes that thread so special?

[danewilson77]

That's all it is....just the fellas thought it was an epic thread......

Frankly...I think "VANOS 8-1-2009" is way moar epic with 354,000+ views....lol

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1281659

[az3579]

Your thread is absolutely epic. It's the ESSENCE of why one should do REGULAR oil changes!

[danewilson77]

Lol...yeah....gotta agree with that.