Durability of real carbon fiber trim vs. carbon fiber wrap

[Satcho]

Would members comment on their experience regarding the comparative durability [i.e. longevity] of real carbon fiber interior trim vs. carbon wrap interior trim (setting aside aesthetics).

Thank you

[sillieidiot]

Well, real CF handles scratches and stuff way better. You could even wrap them in PPF to help with that. The only problem you get is that with cheaper real CF, they don't use UV stable epoxy so then they start to yellow. They are harder to repair if something bad does happen to them. Wrap is cheaper, stays the same pretty much all the time aside from scratches and stuff. It's easily repairable if you scuff a piece, you just rewrap. It just doesn't look real.

[Satcho]

Well, real CF handles scratches and stuff way better. You could even wrap them in PPF to help with that. The only problem you get is that with cheaper real CF, they don't use UV stable epoxy so then they start to yellow. They are harder to repair if something bad does happen to them. Wrap is cheaper, stays the same pretty much all the time aside from scratches and stuff. It's easily repairable if you scuff a piece, you just rewrap. It just doesn't look real.

Thank you for your input.

Are you familiar with Rogue Engineering? https://www.rdfablife.com/carbon-fiber-work?fbclid=IwAR1572BkEDztboqJWYAGLhCJ76MNKywjFce4 NUls7_0Gco3dYQVdfN7W4ck

I am considering their services to carbon wrap the interior pieces for my 2005 ZHP vert.

[WOLFN8TR]

I would DIY, it’s super easy. YouTube some how to videos. I did the trim in my 08 2500HD and it still looks new. Survived several HOT desert summers.

https://youtu.be/sQMTRRjewjo

https://youtu.be/QaWkSQ_irxY

[ApexHitter]

I have had a number of conversations with Rogue Engineering. I will using them when I do the trim on my sedan. But if I had a coupe I would find a provider that does real carbon fiber. They are out their for sure. Try - https://karbonius.net/producto/bmw-e46-coupe-molding-trim-kit-lhd/

[Satcho]

I have had a number of conversations with Rogue Engineering. I will using them when I do the trim on my sedan. But if I had a coupe I would find a provider that does real carbon fiber. They are out their for sure. Try - https://karbonius.net/producto/bmw-e46-coupe-molding-trim-kit-lhd/

Thank you for the information. I had identified Karnonius ;however, the website I had sourced could not be reached (http://www.karbonius.es/web_ing/productos/autos/base_bmw.html). I will seek to understand Rogue's process and conduct a comparative with Karbonius. My general understanding at this juncture is that Rogue uses actual carbon fiber, not a vinyl wrap.

[Satcho]

I have had a number of conversations with Rogue Engineering. I will using them when I do the trim on my sedan. But if I had a coupe I would find a provider that does real carbon fiber. They are out their for sure. Try - https://karbonius.net/producto/bmw-e46-coupe-molding-trim-kit-lhd/

I also identified an entity in Thailand called NVD Autosport. I have emailed them to understand their process and materials. Awaiting a reply.

I can see why Karbonius comparatively is better than Rogue, assuming Rogue is just wrapping carbon fiber over the original trim pieces and not using an autoclave.

Thank you again for the correct web address for Karbonius.

[WOLFN8TR]

Get ready to...

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[sillieidiot]

Thank you for your input.

Are you familiar with Rogue Engineering? https://www.rdfablife.com/carbon-fiber-work?fbclid=IwAR1572BkEDztboqJWYAGLhCJ76MNKywjFce4 NUls7_0Gco3dYQVdfN7W4ck

I am considering their services to carbon wrap the interior pieces for my 2005 ZHP vert.

I am. They do use real CF, but I don't like how they lay some of the CF. It's like they try to use a little material as possible so you see like gaps here and there. It looks like they do a wet-lay process to me. That's just from some of the pieces I've seen though. But I think most people would gloss over that detail and be content with it.

[johnrando]

Lol Gary!

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[WOLFN8TR]

NVD Auto Sport

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[t.er]

NVD Auto Sport



$230... just for that piece?!

https://media.tenor.com/images/95c249caa2d5b437affd5b56f884bae5/tenor.gif

[BMWCurves]

$230... just for that piece?!

Well, when you factor in the weight savings, it basically transforms a ZHP into the equivalent of an M3. Performance improvements stack, I bought 6.

[Satcho]

I am. They do use real CF, but I don't like how they lay some of the CF. It's like they try to use a little material as possible so you see like gaps here and there. It looks like they do a wet-lay process to me. That's just from some of the pieces I've seen though. But I think most people would gloss over that detail and be content with it.

Rogue responded to my inquiry but did not provide specifics. Since their core services involve fiberglass, I'm certain they are simply transferring those techniques to the carbon fiber application. Rogue is about 50 minutes from me.

Karbonius prices are tolerable but with the 20% VAT it becomes pricey. I like the Karbonius process.


I've attached the NVD Autsport (Thailand) price list for E46 vehicles. 36970

[johnrando]

Well, when you factor in the weight savings, it basically transforms a ZHP into the equivalent of an M3. Performance improvements stack, I bought 6.:rofl

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[johnrando]

Rogue responded to my inquiry but did not provide specifics. Since their core services involve fiberglass, I'm certain they are simply transferring those techniques to the carbon fiber application. Rogue is about 50 minutes from me.

Karbonius prices are tolerable but with the 20% VAT it becomes pricey. I like the Karbonius process.


I've attached the NVD Autsport (Thailand) price list for E46 vehicles. 36970Pic broken for me.

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[John in VA]

Pic broken for me.
It's a link to the pdf price list with photos.

[Satcho]

It's a link to the pdf price list with photos.

Your correct. Not certain why it did not attach since I downloaded the price list. Copy 'n paste yields the prices without pictures (see below).


Has anyone used NVD Autosport in Thailand?


I stand corrected on my previous statement for Karbonius VAT rate, since they are located in Spain the VAT is 21%...according to https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/vat-rates/european-vat-rates.html

It appears that automotive parts were not included in COVID-19 rate reductions. Obviously the EU does not wish to stimulate trade with rates this high.



No. Pic Description - OEM PART LAMINATED WITH CARBON Price USD
Replacement type not the cover type
E46/2 front grille $180
E46 front grille $180
Carbon Auto gear knob (E36/46/39/60/90/92) $120
2.1 Carbon SMG gear knob $290
E36, E39, E46 Carbon hand brake (Hamann) $85
E46 Carbon boot handle $285
E46 M3 Carbon multi function $205
E46 M3 Carbon lower steering wheel trim $285
E46 Carbon ECU lid $180
Carbon Door sills (inner)
BMW E46 CARBON FIBER PARTS
1
2
3
4
6
7
8
E46 coupe $320
E46 Coupe Carbon Pollen cover/ cover micro filter $180
E46 Carbon inner mirror cover/ pair $95
E46/2 Carbon door handles (1 pair) $285
E46/4 Carbon door handles (2 pairs) $570
E46/2 M3 Carbon side mouldings ( 6 pieces) $760
E46 M3 Carbon Centre Intake + connector $399
E46 M3 Carbon Centre Intake only $310
E46 323CI Carbon Centre Intake $290
E46 Carbon dash trims $240
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
No. Pic Description - OEM PART LAMINATED WITH CARBON Price USD
BMW E46 CARBON FIBER PARTS
E46 Carbon centre console $155
E46 Carbon smg dome $325
E46 Carbon armrests (front- rear: 4 pcs) $830
E46 Sedan interior door trims ( 4 pcs) $360
E46 coupe (pre-facelift) Headlamp trims+washer jet covers $370
E46 coupe (facelift) Headlamp trims+washer jet covers $380
E46 coupe (facelift) Headlamp trims $290
E46 M3 Carbon side grille $185
E46 Carbon Lower kick panel (pair) $360
16
17
18
20
21
22
E46 CSL Rear panel (2 pieces) $1,150
E46 convertible lateral trim top( 2 pcs) $1,680
E46 Carbon xenon ballast cover $135
E46 Carbon jet washer tank cap $80
E46 Carbon shift paddles $99
E46 Carbon seat trim/ pair $420
E46 convertible - seat trim extensions/pair $260
E46 Carbon seat rail cover/ pair $185
E46 Carbon washer bottle $265
E46 M3 Carbon fibre radiator extension tank $385
29
32
33
34
24
25
27
28
No. Pic Description - OEM PART LAMINATED WITH CARBON Price USD
BMW E46 CARBON FIBER PARTS
35 E46 M3 carbon fibre steering wheel (MFSW) $950
E46 M3 carbon fibre steering wheel (MFSW) SPORT VERSION $950
E46 M3 carbon fibre steering wheel with shift paddles(MFSW)
SPORT VERSION $1,250
36 E46 carbon sunglass holder $190
37 E46 carbon instrument panel - switch centre $495
38 E46 carbon handbrake console $575
39
E46 carbon coin storage ( in handbrake console ) $140
40 E46 carbon storage compartment (in handbrake console) $150
40.1 E46 carbon cup holder (in handbrake console) $140
41 E46 carbon roller top storage tray ( in center console) $195
41-1 E46 carbon roller top storage tray holder ( in center console)
( for the version with center armrest ) $135
No. Pic Description - OEM PART LAMINATED WITH CARBON Price USD
BMW E46 CARBON FIBER PARTS
42 E46 carbon battery cover $295
43 E46 carbon trunk tray ( in trunk) $280
E46 storage partition ( in trunk ) $95
44
45
Oil filter cover $120
46 Front Seat pull covers + handles ( pair) $340
47 Automatic Air Control Unit Panel $250
48 Interior Door handles ( coupe / convertible ) $280
49 Steeing wheel column ( upper - lower) $550
50 Dash Storage Box $280
51 Headrest Seatbelt Base ( pair ) for Convertible ONLY $550
52 Side Air Con Vent ( pair ) $240
53 Center Air Con Vent $250
No. Pic Description - OEM PART LAMINATED WITH CARBON Price USD
BMW E46 CARBON FIBER PARTS
54 Coolant cap $110

[sillieidiot]

Rogue responded to my inquiry but did not provide specifics. Since their core services involve fiberglass, I'm certain they are simply transferring those techniques to the carbon fiber application. Rogue is about 50 minutes from me.

Karbonius prices are tolerable but with the 20% VAT it becomes pricey. I like the Karbonius process.


I've attached the NVD Autsport (Thailand) price list for E46 vehicles. 36970

If Rogue is local, I would deal with them directly. The support will be a lot better imo. You can also check the product directly before you pick it up, it's way better than doing it the other way around.

[Satcho]

If Rogue is local, I would deal with them directly. The support will be a lot better imo. You can also check the product directly before you pick it up, it's way better than doing it the other way around.

Good point!


At his juncture I am leaning toward the autoclave process ;therefore, Karbonius or possibly NVD Autosport. Just waiting for detailed process description from NVD Autosport. I've emailed Karbonius to confirm shipping charges and duties to US so that proper comparatives can be performed.

NVD has free shipping (just built into the price). I read NVD Autosport testimonials, one individual stated that NVD declared the shipment as a "gift"; therefore, there were no duties levied.

So far I have not identified another E46 carbon fiber offering that is autoclaved. Should anyone know of another entity, please let me know.

[sillieidiot]

You know, I was thinking you were in the EU before lol Because you were concerned with VAT. We don't pay the VAT in the US. They shouldn't charge you the VAT. I'm not sure how their trim pieces look cosmetically. But the door cards that I have seen from them had a lot of weave imperfections especially around the bends. Nothing too crazy, but it's noticeable if you look. But their CSL airbox looked perfect. I'm talking about Karbonius.

I don't think I know of any other one. But since the trims are cosmetic for the most part, I'm more concerned about the epoxy/clear coat used and the way the weave looks vs. the minimal weight savings.

[Satcho]

You know, I was thinking you were in the EU before lol Because you were concerned with VAT. We don't pay the VAT in the US. They shouldn't charge you the VAT. I'm not sure how their trim pieces look cosmetically. But the door cards that I have seen from them had a lot of weave imperfections especially around the bends. Nothing too crazy, but it's noticeable if you look. But their CSL airbox looked perfect. I'm talking about Karbonius.

I don't think I know of any other one. But since the trims are cosmetic for the most part, I'm more concerned about the epoxy/clear coat used and the way the weave looks vs. the minimal weight savings.


I did not realize US purchasers did not pay VAT. That change the economics, although duties do apply.

Did you directly see the Karnonius door cards as opposed to images? I am looking at the 8-piece trim set for my ZHP.



I received a reply from NVD Autosport describing their manufacturing process. In essence, the same process as Rogue.


Dear: Sir

We can do the under value invoice so that you do not need to pay the import tax in USA.

Our production process starts from:

1. prepare the core parts ==> clean + prepare the surface+ put in the heating room for 1-2 days to make sure that the surface is completely dry

2. Laminate the real carbon fiber sheet + put in room temp for few days then put in the heating room again

3. Coating with our in house coating formula 3 - 4 layers ( each layers will have a time break) ==> put in the room temp for few days then put in the heating room again

4. do the finishing touch

Please let us know.

Thank you
Prapan
www.NvdAutoSport.com

[BADCLOWN]

I have a 8pc wood trim sedan set that I’ve been wanting to get done in carbon fiber

[WOLFN8TR]

I have a 8pc wood trim sedan set that I’ve been wanting to get done in carbon fiber

FYI there is a member on the M3Forum that refinish’s trim if you want something other than CF. He does really good work.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=2212386&share_tid=48092&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnam3forum%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fmobiq uo%2Fredirect%2Ephp%3Ftid%3D48092&share_type=t&link_source=app

[WOLFN8TR]

Carbon Fiber Wrapped Sedan Trim Sets. Actually looks good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-SEDAN-CARBON-FIBER-WRAPPED-INTERIOR-TRIM-DASH-DOOR-KIT-SET/324254542260?hash=item4b7f13a9b4:g:rFgAAOSwb1Ncrkx S

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-Sedan-Touring-4D-Carbon-Glossy-OEM-Interior-SET/392732966870?hash=item5b70b57fd6:g:qKMAAOSwXj1ea9Z 1

NVD Carbon Fiber Full Sedan Trim Set- $880

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-Sedan-Carbon-fiber-Interior-Trim-Set/133301606493?fits=Make%3ABMW&hash=item1f0965185d:g:a1gAAOSwLnBX61Gt

Nice ZHP Black Cube Sedan Trim Set- $300
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-330i-sedan-carbon-fiber-lookalike-interior-trim/264762061388

[Satcho]

Carbon Fiber Wrapped Sedan Trim Sets. Actually looks good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-SEDAN-CARBON-FIBER-WRAPPED-INTERIOR-TRIM-DASH-DOOR-KIT-SET/324254542260?hash=item4b7f13a9b4:g:rFgAAOSwb1Ncrkx S

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-Sedan-Touring-4D-Carbon-Glossy-OEM-Interior-SET/392732966870?hash=item5b70b57fd6:g:qKMAAOSwXj1ea9Z 1

NVD Carbon Fiber Full Sedan Trim Set- $880

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-Sedan-Carbon-fiber-Interior-Trim-Set/133301606493?fits=Make%3ABMW&hash=item1f0965185d:g:a1gAAOSwLnBX61Gt

Nice ZHP Black Cube Sedan Trim Set- $300
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-330i-sedan-carbon-fiber-lookalike-interior-trim/264762061388



I have reviewed the ebay products; additionally I'll look at the M3Forum member's service.


Here is a reply from Karbonius:

Hi Mattthew,
sorry for delay in back to you, the person who usually reply the emails is on leave and I have not too much free time to reply.
I think most of our customers are paying around a 5% to 8% of the amount on the invoice for taxes in USA.
About shipping costs I´m not sure, but you can check on the shop, you can try to make a buy putting your postal code in the required fiels and the system will show you the shipping costs.
And about the exchange rate, the system also show prices in Euros, regardless of how the dollar is..
Please let me know if you have any other doubt.
Regards

[cakM3]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-Sedan-Carbon-fiber-Interior-Trim-Set/133301606493?fits=Make%3ABMW&hash=item1f0965185d:g:a1gAAOSwLnBX61Gt

They offer this in 1x1 weave.... very tempting :drevil

[sillieidiot]

I did not realize US purchasers did not pay VAT. That change the economics, although duties do apply.

Did you directly see the Karnonius door cards as opposed to images? I am looking at the 8-piece trim set for my ZHP.



I received a reply from NVD Autosport describing their manufacturing process. In essence, the same process as Rogue.


Dear: Sir

We can do the under value invoice so that you do not need to pay the import tax in USA.

Our production process starts from:

1. prepare the core parts ==> clean + prepare the surface+ put in the heating room for 1-2 days to make sure that the surface is completely dry

2. Laminate the real carbon fiber sheet + put in room temp for few days then put in the heating room again

3. Coating with our in house coating formula 3 - 4 layers ( each layers will have a time break) ==> put in the room temp for few days then put in the heating room again

4. do the finishing touch

Please let us know.

Thank you
Prapan
www.NvdAutoSport.com

Yes, I have seen them directly/physically. An entire batch of like 10 door cards. Same with the roof, and airbox. I come into contact with a lot of CF parts lol They look WAYYYY better than the Status Gruppe door cards, that's for sure.

[Satcho]

FYI there is a member on the M3Forum that refinish’s trim if you want something other than CF. He does really good work.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=2212386&share_tid=48092&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnam3forum%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fmobiq uo%2Fredirect%2Ephp%3Ftid%3D48092&share_type=t&link_source=app

Thanks for the lead. I contacted that member to confirm and he PM'd me stating that he did not do carbon fiber. I concur his work looks excellent.

[WOLFN8TR]

Welcome. I’ve seen a lot of his refinished trim pieces and they all turned out amazing.

[sillieidiot]

So I just found a note I made for a place that I would use if I ever needed to replace my silver CF trim (due to damage or whatever). I used to work on a lot of Audi's and came across his work. He was a guy working out of his garage at the time, but the quality was top notch from the stuff I handled. I remember that he didn't offer E46 trims at the time, so I would have to do a custom order. He uses a wet lay or laminating process so you'll have to send in your trims to him.

https://ocarbon.com/

I just looked at the site, damn there's so much more stuff now lol Glad they are still around. The hexagon CF looks good. I want that now lol

edit:
this not look good or what? lol
https://ocarbon.com/collections/audi/products/b6-b7-honeycomb-black

[johnrando]

That does look good!

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[Satcho]

So I just found a note I made for a place that I would use if I ever needed to replace my silver CF trim (due to damage or whatever). I used to work on a lot of Audi's and came across his work. He was a guy working out of his garage at the time, but the quality was top notch from the stuff I handled. I remember that he didn't offer E46 trims at the time, so I would have to do a custom order. He uses a wet lay or laminating process so you'll have to send in your trims to him.

https://ocarbon.com/

I just looked at the site, damn there's so much more stuff now lol Glad they are still around. The hexagon CF looks good. I want that now lol

edit:
this not look good or what? lol
https://ocarbon.com/collections/audi/products/b6-b7-honeycomb-black

I had identified OCarbon but I did not pursue since they did not list the E46. I'll contact them to see if interest exists for producing E46 trim.

[Satcho]

Another carbon fiber trim source is Dinman https://www.dinmann.com/, although they do not list the E46 as a product offering. I'll contact them as well to see if they have interest in producing an E46 trim set.

[sillieidiot]

I had identified OCarbon but I did not pursue since they did not list the E46. I'll contact them to see if interest exists for producing E46 trim.

They do custom work. So if it's not on there, you just contact them. That's how they originally started. I'm pretty sure for the E46, it'll be like the E36 so they will use your core.

[BADCLOWN]

Thanks for the ocarbon link, I sent a message as well inquiring about E46 sedan trim. Hopefully they can do it, looks like great work at a VERY reasonable price. That hex pattern is cool, never seen that.


Edit: wooooooo, that reflex purple carbon weave got me in my feels...........so pretty.

[BADCLOWN]

Matt at ocarbon got back to me and said that they CAN do E46 trim but can only do overlay work on WOOD TRIM

[Satcho]

Matt at ocarbon got back to me and said that they CAN do E46 trim but can only do overlay work on WOOD TRIM

Here is OCarbon's email response...

Hi Matthew,

We can, and we have in the past. But the E46 is a tricky one. We would need wood core trim pieces to work with, as we have run into quality issues trying to turn some of the E46 plastic trim pieces into carbon. I don't want to sell products that could potentially have issues, so I'd only be able to make something if the pieces you wanted done were the much more sturdy wood pieces.

Thankfully the wood pieces can be found pretty cheap. Looks like these are the same set is under $100 (there are probably even cheaper sets, I just don't have a ton of time to check right now). But I'm also pretty sure some E46s have different wood pieces, including some door pulls:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-OEM-Woodgrain-Trim-Complete-Set-3-Series-Sedan-323-325-328-Wood-Grain/174129192732?hash=item288ae89f1c:g:EeIAAOSwsvVd-aGO

So pricing is really going to depend on which pieces you'd want done and if you're able to send us your trim or at very least have us buy used wood trim on eBay on your behalf and add it to the price. I suspect pricing on the carbon is going to run $600-800, depending on which pieces you'd want and if you want any custom colors/fabrics.

So get me a little more info about which pieces of trim you want done, how you want to handle the core situation, and what fabric you'd like and I can get you a more detailed quote.

Let me know if you have any other questions or if you'd like to setup an order.

Cheers,

--
Matt Johnson
Owner
oCarbon.com

[ApexHitter]

I am moving forward with oCarbon especially after Matt sent over some pics of the last E46 set he did.
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[Satcho]

I am moving forward with oCarbon especially after Matt sent over some pics of the last E46 set he did.
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That looks spectacular! I am awaiting explanation of material choices and prices.

What were you quoted for the (what appears to be the 8 piece trim set) set? Were you provided a turn around time frame?

[BADCLOWN]

I also am gonna go with ocarbon. I have a full 8pc wood trim Set ready to send out and the quote he gave me via email was $600 for standard black and $700 for standard black with a thicker weave pattern. Price goes a up if you choose a different pattern and color of carbon fiber

[sillieidiot]

Yeah that sounds about right. Mines was a little more than that from a different manufacturer so it makes sense. The only thing that's special about mines, is the fact that my trims on the door handles (coupe) are 1pc instead of the standard plastic on the bottom and CF piece on the top. But sedan has individual pieces for everything so you don't got to deal with that.

[Satcho]

I also am gonna go with ocarbon. I have a full 8pc wood trim Set ready to send out and the quote he gave me via email was $600 for standard black and $700 for standard black with a thicker weave pattern. Price goes a up if you choose a different pattern and color of carbon fiber

I just received a $700 quote from oCarbon for a convertible coupe trim set. Attached are the product examples oCarbon. I am seeking to clarify the carbon fiber type, whether the steering wheel trim is included and whether the wood trim set is included in the price.


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[BADCLOWN]

I got quoted 600 for a sedan trim set (no steering wheel pieces included). That was the price after I would send him my trim set I have at home.

[Satcho]

I got quoted 600 for a sedan trim set (no steering wheel pieces included). That was the price after I would send him my trim set I have at home.

oCarbon provided a reply which was similar to yours... see below

Hi Matthew,

No, the $700 would just be for the trim. You would be responsible for the cores. If you had a wood set, you could send us that, or we can purchase a used wood set on eBay and invoice you for the cost.

The steering wheel trim was custom made and would be in addition. Price on the steering wheel trim would depend on the type of steering wheel you've got, as there are quite a few different setups.

Our trim will last, provided you take care of it. Tinted windows and parking in the shade will help these last years and years. I just had a customer contact me who purchased trim for his R230 SL500 11 years ago from us, and he says it still looks good as new. I'd compare it to the exterior paint. IF you wash it regularly and don't part in the sun all day, the exterior paint will last a long, long time.


I shall investigate the eBay wood trim cores because I do not have a set. It is interesting that oCarbon uses wood trim cores while Rogue Engineering uses the original plastic cores.

[BADCLOWN]

I'm waiting for a response back from Matt after I sent him a picture of the steering wheel trim (ZHP wheel) to see what the cost would be.

[Satcho]

I am taking the same action because Matt said that there were different trim pieces on various years/body styles. I'll update once I get a price. I do not have a wood trim set so I either have oCarbon purchase one or I'll look to see if the ZHPMafia classifieds yields a set.

[Satcho]

I'm waiting for a response back from Matt after I sent him a picture of the steering wheel trim (ZHP wheel) to see what the cost would be.

I received a $100 quote for the steering wheel trim with wood trim provided. See below picture of my steering wheel. Now the challenge is finding wood trim for an 05 convertible.


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[Satcho]

Does anyone have a full trim set including the steering wheel trim for sale that fits 2005 ZHP convertible? My search has just begun.

[John in VA]

Does anyone have a full trim set including the steering wheel trim for sale that fits 2005 ZHP convertible? My search has just begun.
Try posting a want-to-buy ad in the classified section. Good luck!
http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?81-ZHP-Related-Parts-amp-Accessories-(no-vehicle-sales)

[sillieidiot]

i think the wood trim on coupe/vert is going to be the double spoke one? at least that's what I remember my old trim was before i sold it.

[Satcho]

i think the wood trim on coupe/vert is going to be the double spoke one? at least that's what I remember my old trim was before i sold it.

That is interesting. I wonder if my steering wheel lower trim was changed.

Does that mean that a double spoke trim will fit my steering wheel?

[sillieidiot]

That is interesting. I wonder if my steering wheel lower trim was changed.

Does that mean that a double spoke trim will fit my steering wheel?

Yeah it will fit. But it puts like 2 notches on the bottom of the steering wheel lol It took me forever to massage it out before I sold my stock wheel

[ApexHitter]

Update from oCarbon! My trim with the carbon fiber on but before the epoxy goes on. So far very happy with the communication with Mike the owner. 37208372093721037211

[BADCLOWN]

Looks awesome, nice of him to send progress pics. I’m bidding on a used M3 wheel so I can get the trim off of it and then I’ll send mine out

[sillieidiot]

Update from oCarbon! My trim with the carbon fiber on but before the epoxy goes on. So far very happy with the communication with Mike the owner.

Didn't you say you were going with Rogue? I just realized you switched all of a sudden lol

You know, I feel like you guys should have tried to do a GB or something. I'm sure there are a bunch more lurkers out there that would want this.

[ApexHitter]

I was leaning towards Rogue but didn't know about oCarbon but thanks you and your glowing suggestion I switched providers.

[johnrando]

So far so good!

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[Satcho]

Update from oCarbon! My trim with the carbon fiber on but before the epoxy goes on. So far very happy with the communication with Mike the owner. 37208372093721037211

ApexHitter:

Did you provide wood trim or did you have oCarbon purchase? What price did you pay for the trim? What was your source for the trim?

[ApexHitter]

I found some very clean wood trim on eBay for $150. Probably paid a little more than the going rate here in SoCal but it was in really nice shape and I shipped it directly to oCarbon in AZ.

[WOLFN8TR]

I have a used set of Black Gloss/Piano Black Sedan trim. I’m sure that can be used for Carbon Fiber overlay as well is anyone needs a set. PM me if interested.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200909/c3224a19105cc5ae5a0af396ad103ec6.jpg

[sillieidiot]

I was leaning towards Rogue but didn't know about oCarbon but thanks you and your glowing suggestion I switched providers.

Oh, I thought you already went ahead with the order. My mistake. Np, happy to help.


I have a used set of Black Gloss/Piano Black Sedan trim. I’m sure that can be used for Carbon Fiber overlay as well is anyone needs a set. PM me if interested.

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I don't think you could use this with oCarbon. I think it's plastic still.

[WOLFN8TR]

Isn’t the wood trim plastic as well? I thought they were the same just different appearance?

[sillieidiot]

No. Wood trim actually has wood on it lol it's like a wood veneer on top of a plastic backing plate.

[WOLFN8TR]

Interesting [emoji3166]

[ApexHitter]

Couple more pics from oCarbon. Epoxy is now done and will be sanded and then followed with the clearcoat.

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[sillieidiot]

what tow did you go with? 3K? Can't exactly tell from the picture, but I feel like it's around there.

[t.er]

Looking good, it's nice how the epoxy appears to self-level for the most part, so it's just a wet layup sans bagging. Wouldn't be too difficult to DIY, you could buy fabric (https://shop.compositescanada.com/#/product/CA058TW-50-LY) and epoxy resin (https://shop.compositescanada.com/#/product/EW0105G205G-Cert), then wet sand and finish off with 2K clear (https://www.spraymax.com/en/products/product/clear-coats-and-spot-blender/2k-clear-coat/)

[ApexHitter]

what tow did you go with? 3K? Can't exactly tell from the picture, but I feel like it's around there.

It's 6K 20oz carbon fiber. He upgraded the carbon quality for me so he could take some good pictures for the website. It's the same look as traditional carbon, but it has twice as much individual strands of carbon woven into it, so it has a nice thick and tight weave.

[sillieidiot]

It's 6K 20oz carbon fiber. He upgraded the carbon quality for me so he could take some good pictures for the website. It's the same look as traditional carbon, but it has twice as much individual strands of carbon woven into it, so it has a nice thick and tight weave.

Nice, yeah the close up of LCM piece was the only one where I thought it was 6K, but the far away pictures didn't look like it as much. But the pictures are kind of blurry. You mean it's still a 2x2 twill weave? I don't think there is a traditional carbon look. I consider 1x1 plain weave the traditional look which is what I have for all the black CF pieces on my car. Only my silver CF are 2x2.

[BADCLOWN]

Any updates? Waiting to see how yours turns out.

I’d like to see the results if someone has steering wheel trim done

[ApexHitter]

Updated pics from today. The pieces are all going to be polished and then mailed out to me next week. 37299373003730137302

[WOLFN8TR]

Wow those look sweet!!

[BADCLOWN]

Shiny as is, can’t imagine how crystal clear that’s gonna look after a polish

[johnrando]

Oh man those r purdy!

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[sillieidiot]

man those pictures look so much better than the other ones lol

[WOLFN8TR]

Incase anyone is looking for a set for going carbon fiber.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=2212386&share_tid=58788&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnam3forum%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fmobiq uo%2Fredirect%2Ephp%3Ftid%3D58788&share_type=t&link_source=app

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200929/4eb00f5fdd3601582ead9e9d6c6c6522.jpg

[BADCLOWN]

Just an FYI too: My center trim had a chip in the finish of the wood and I sent a message to Matt @ OCarbon inquiring if this was an issue. He stated it would not be because they grind away most if not all of the wood finish in order to lay the CF down. So if you trim has a small chip in it don't fret, it should be just fine.

[Satcho]

Incase anyone is looking for a set for going carbon fiber.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=2212386&share_tid=58788&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnam3forum%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fmobiq uo%2Fredirect%2Ephp%3Ftid%3D58788&share_type=t&link_source=app

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200929/4eb00f5fdd3601582ead9e9d6c6c6522.jpg

Will these fit an 05 convertible? Do you have the dash and center console?

[WOLFN8TR]

They are not mine.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200930/4b19ed8eba8a1f1c0caabb39e8f166ec.jpg

[Satcho]

They are not mine.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200930/4b19ed8eba8a1f1c0caabb39e8f166ec.jpg

Will a coupe M3 trim fit a 2005 ZHP convertible?

Will a convertible M3 trim fit the ZHP convertible?

I 've asked the Ebay seller for part #s to confirm via realoem.com, but so far no reply.

[Satcho]

Incase anyone is looking for a set for going carbon fiber.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=2212386&share_tid=58788&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnam3forum%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fmobiq uo%2Fredirect%2Ephp%3Ftid%3D58788&share_type=t&link_source=app

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200929/4eb00f5fdd3601582ead9e9d6c6c6522.jpg

Will these fit a 2005 ZHP convertible? If yes, I am interested in purchasing. Do you have part #s for each trim piece?

[BMWCurves]

No, I believe the rear armrests are smaller in a convertible.

[WOLFN8TR]

Will these fit a 2005 ZHP convertible? If yes, I am interested in purchasing. Do you have part #s for each trim piece?

Again these aren’t mine and they are FREE. See the link and the photo taken from the link.


No, I believe the rear armrests are smaller in a convertible.

You are correct. [emoji106]

[sillieidiot]

technically don't they cost $30? it doesn't take $30 to ship that. Like half that lol

[BADCLOWN]

Did you get these pieces back yet from OCarbon?

[John in VA]

technically don't they cost $30? it doesn't take $30 to ship that. Like half that lol
Shipping & "handling" - you know the drill!!

[ApexHitter]

Received the final pics back from oCarbon today. They look good! The product is in the mail so I should get them soon. Still looking for the right ZHP to buy and install them...lol.

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[WOLFN8TR]

technically don't they cost $30? it doesn't take $30 to ship that. Like half that lol

He said up to $30 max for shipping, not $30. I highly doubt it only cost $15 to ship these. If so please let me know who you recommend for the shipping. I have a complete set of sedan trim to ship and the cheapest estimate I could find is $65.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201007/f9f4273480baeb402885fc80bfa98197.jpg

[BADCLOWN]

Looks great, thanks for the update

[Satcho]

Is TexaZ3 a ZHPMafia member. When i sought to message him, system indicated "no member found".

[John in VA]

Is TexaZ3 a ZHPMafia member. When i sought to message him, system indicated "no member found".
This might be him. Good luck!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/110335038@N06/
https://www.m5board.com/members/texaz3.106655/#latest-activity

[Satcho]

This might be him. Good luck!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/110335038@N06/
https://www.m5board.com/members/texaz3.106655/#latest-activity

Thank you! I have reached out to TexasZ3 on the M5Board forum. Awaiting a reply.

[Satcho]

This might be him. Good luck!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/110335038@N06/
https://www.m5board.com/members/texaz3.106655/#latest-activity

John:

I received a reply from Alex, unfortunately for me, he sold the trim set; therefore, my search continues.

Should I continue to encounter problems buying a trim set, I will purchase the Carbonius carbon fiber set which does not require a wood or plastic trim set because it is 100% carbon fiber.

[sillieidiot]

He said up to $30 max for shipping, not $30. I highly doubt it only cost $15 to ship these. If so please let me know who you recommend for the shipping. I have a complete set of sedan trim to ship and the cheapest estimate I could find is $65.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201007/f9f4273480baeb402885fc80bfa98197.jpg

Nah I asked him. He send to send $30. USPS would be the cheapest to ship if you wrap the shit out of it out of bubble wrap and then just ship it in a bag. Pretty sure it's $15ish last time I did that.

Nowadays, when I ship out large items, I just have EAS do it since they get better rates.

[ZHPizza]

John:

I received a reply from Alex, unfortunately for me, he sold the trim set; therefore, my search continues.

Should I continue to encounter problems buying a trim set, I will purchase the Carbonius carbon fiber set which does not require a wood or plastic trim set because it is 100% carbon fiber.Hey I have a stripped set of titan shadow trim from an M3 coupe if you want it. Someone was prepping it for a wrap, gave up on the project, and sold it to me, who promptly hid it in a corner for 3 years. I'm obviously not going to do anything with it.

Doesn't come with rear arm rest pieces but they wouldn't fit a vert anyway

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/c586a97f43e2414a1bf6e696058cb681.jpg

[Satcho]

Hey I have a stripped set of titan shadow trim from an M3 coupe if you want it. Someone was prepping it for a wrap, gave up on the project, and sold it to me, who promptly hid it in a corner for 3 years. I'm obviously not going to do anything with it.

Doesn't come with rear arm rest pieces but they wouldn't fit a vert anyway

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/c586a97f43e2414a1bf6e696058cb681.jpg

ZHPizza:

I appreciate the offer but oCarbon requires wood trim instead of plastic. oCarbon conveyed to me they experienced quality issues with plastic; therefore, they require wood trim for carbon warping.

ZHPizza, how do you know that the M3 trim (except for rear armrests) fits the ZHP?

[ZHPizza]

ZHPizza:

I appreciate the offer but oCarbon requires wood trim instead of plastic. oCarbon conveyed to me they experienced quality issues with plastic; therefore, they require wood trim for carbon warping.

ZHPizza, how do you know that the M3 trim (except for rear armrests) fits the ZHP?Ah ok I'll keep an eye out at the parts yards, but the wood trim is pretty much always cracked all to hell. The plastic seems to be the only one that holds up with time.

Here's a quick breakdown on trim fits:

- There is no difference between M3 and non-M cars.

- The sedan and touring share all of the same parts.

- Dash pieces (3) fit all models the same (coupe/vert/sedan)

- Shifter surround is coupe specific, while the sedan and vert are the same

- Front doors are sedan specific, while the coupe and vert are the same

- Rear doors are different for all three


So, for your vert, you would want:
- Dash pieces from any e46
- Shifter surround from a vert or sedan
- Front doors from a vert or coupe
- Rear arm rests from a vert

[johnrando]

Good info.

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[Satcho]

ZHPizza:

That is excellent information. Thank you.

After conversing with Matt @ oCarbon via emails, he stated that the images posed in this thread are 12K carbon fiber not 6K.

[Satcho]

I just executed a carbon fiber trim set purchase from Karbonius. Never was able to find correct wood trim pieces for a vert ZHP; rear arm rests proving to be difficult to find. Also, I intend for this to be a Christmas present, so time was a factor in selecting Karbonius versus Ocarbon. Would've liked to purchase from a US source but the wood trim requirement was a hurdle I could clear for a 2020 X-mas gift.