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e46.matt
07-03-2020, 05:40 PM
Hello I just joined ZHP Mafia, I recently just bought an automatic Jet Black 330ci ZHP with cinnamon interior and 167k miles on it. I got it for $3500 because the paint was seriously damaged, I live in AZ so the clear coat was pretty much non existent. I work at a body shop so im going to be painting it the same oem color very soon; in fact I started prepping the body for primer a week ago. I have a lot of plans for this car, the biggest hope is to sell it for some profit if I don't fall in love with it in the process.

Some quick background of myself if your interested, my name is Matt, I just turned 18 and i've been working on cars (mainly BMW's) since I got my license 2 years ago. My first car was a 1987 325i convertible which is now in storage. My love and passion for BMW's comes from the e30, currently I am building an m54b30 swapped e30 (not the convertible, this is a 1991 318is) which will be a dedicated race car and its very very close to running. I got the m54 for the swap out of a 2002 530i (ironically that's my birthday) and took the whole engine apart, changed every gasket, rebuilt vanos, etc., except I didn't touch the internals. I am very familiar with m54s which sparked my interest in ZHPs and the fact that I pretty much know the m54 like the back of my hand which led me to buy a car with that engine so I wouldn't have to pay someone to service it. So I bought a ZHP.

The guy I had bought it from was probably in his late 50s early 60s and he didn't know shit about cars, which was sort of a good thing because he got everything done at a shop. He gave me a folder full of service records that dated back to when the car had around 120k. The whole coolant system was replaced, and the most recent thing was the radiator and front rotors and pads. The guy had a ZHP before this one so at least he knew what he had. The owner before him removed the factory alarm system and put in this shit aftermarket system in which really sucks. Other than that, the guy took really really good care of it and the inside was really clean for what it was. After I bought it I threw it up on the lift to see what needed to be done and so far this is what I found, oil pan gasket, power steering hoses, oil filter housing gasket, vanos feed line, valve cover gasket, rear rotors and pads, diff mount, rear trailing arm bushings, new shocks, and I think that's it. I ordered all the parts for the engine a few days after I bought the car and then did the oil pan gasket the same week.

So my goal is to clean up the car, possibly rebuild the engine, paint it of course and sell it to make some decent profit , to help with a down payment on a house for myself, I would like to sell it for 10-15k which I think is achievable. Now the biggest thing I need to know is; Do I need to keep the car as stock as possible to achieve a number like that? Just an fyi the body shop that I work at charges upwards of 8k for paint jobs and im lucky enough to get that same quality paint job (they said it would look like a show car) for more than half the cost because i'd be doing most of the prep, this paint job alone is going to add a lot of value. So anyway the things I need opinions on are as listed.

1. I would like to manual swap it, but only if it adds value, Should I manual swap or just get the auto trans rebuilt? Or neither?
2. I'd like to black the car out with smoked side markers, smoked fog lights (not the tail lights or headlights), and paint the stock wheels a gunmetal color, has anyone done this? What do you recommend/think of the idea?
3. I want to get the angle eye lights, is it worth the effort do cook my headlights and put the rings in myself or should I just buy headlights with the angle eyes?
4. Would I lose value if I changed the stock radio to the navigation one with apple car play and the hvac relocation? Could it possibly add value?

Again the goal is to make this car as valuable as possible so what do you recommend? I come from e30s so I don't know much about e46s. I'd love to hear your input on what you think I should do!

Thanks, Matt

johnrando
07-03-2020, 06:00 PM
Welcome! Keep as stock as possible for resale (not sure wrt manual vs auto though). Will answer the other ones later when I can if others don't. BTW, that seems like a high number you're looking for, not sure if you can get that.

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e46.matt
07-03-2020, 06:04 PM
Thanks so much! and sounds good! Yea it is a high number but I think if I build the car right it's possible.

holyc0w
07-03-2020, 07:54 PM
Yes, keep it as stock as possible.

Also, not sure about the manual transplant. Probably not be worth the effort. Since it came with the auto originally, it might not add much value if any. If I was buying, I would be more skeptical.

Definitely skip 2 and 3. I don't think 4 would do much for value.

e46.matt
07-04-2020, 12:35 AM
Ok sounds good thanks man!!


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t.er
07-04-2020, 08:32 AM
Generally adding aftermarket parts doesn't increase the value of the car, so #2 and #3 out for sure. #4 might add some value, but I don't think you'd get back what you put in for the headunit, even if it's a cheap one.

#1 is a harder one, this is where you'll have to do your own research. Looking at price differences between auto and manual cars of similar mileage and condition, and comparing that to the cost of parts for the swap, and how much your own time is worth. Also the fact that since the car didn't come with manual from factory, it won't be worth as much as a car that did.

e46.matt
07-04-2020, 09:10 AM
Ya ok that’s good to know thanks, and I’ll do some more research on the swap.


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johnrando
07-04-2020, 01:58 PM
BTW, my car is in no way stock (but I do use OEM parts when I can), but I am not selling mine. I am saying keep it stock as that's the widest audience for selling plus as said, you won't get the money you spent back on the mods.

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holyc0w
07-04-2020, 04:22 PM
In terms of the manual swap, I think it would limit the buyers a bit. You would need to find someone that appreciates the mod over the "unoriginal" part of it. I don't remember any manually swapped ZHPs for sale to use as example data points.

Reasoned1
07-04-2020, 05:14 PM
Matt, don't forget your time is worth money too. Clean it up, paint it (since you have an advantage there), sell it, and--in my humble opinion--barely get back what you put into it.

ZHPizza
07-04-2020, 05:34 PM
In terms of the manual swap, I think it would limit the buyers a bit. You would need to find someone that appreciates the mod over the "unoriginal" part of it. I don't remember any manually swapped ZHPs for sale to use as example data points.Yep, a manual swap zhp would be about the same final value as an auto. Anyone in the market for a zhp would likely just wait for a true manual to pop up.

The manual swap only seems to be worth it on an e46 m3 that you pick up cheap because the smg has started faulting and the owner doesn't want to deal with it.

fredo
07-04-2020, 05:36 PM
For reference, this 2005 ZHP coupe AT with 126k miles sold on BaT for $6,300 back in Feb-2020 :

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-bmw-330ci-13/

Hope things work out for you.

usinjin
07-05-2020, 09:06 AM
I think you should fall in love with it :)

Be aware that higher mileage may put a ceiling on the price. You could do any number of mods/restorations, but at the end of the day, that's the first thing that most subsequent buyers will look at first. $10k-$15k ZHPs are often cherry with 30k-90k miles on them. Though who knows, that's probably not a hard fast rule.

I love mine to death and plan on driving mine to 250k. Then maybe getting a much more irresponsible car like an E60

e46.matt
07-05-2020, 01:26 PM
Thanks everyone for replying I really appreciate it! I definitely have some things to consider, but as of right now im leaning to just keeping the car.

Reasoned1
07-05-2020, 03:27 PM
As suggested, you can probably get more than your money’s worth of fun and practicality out of the car for the next 75k miles, while you look for a suitable replacement. If you want a down payment for a house, work extra hours and mind your expenses.