Another Airbag Recall?

[pedro2u]

Here we go again.....Just got an email for another recall regarding airbags. This time it's the inflator... how does Takata stay in business?

Summary:

PASSENGER'S FRONT AIR BAG: This recall is for vehicles which have already had the Takata PSPI passenger front air bag replaced as part of a previous recall. During air bag deployment in an accident, the passenger's front air bag module may produce excessive internal pressure that could cause the inflator to explode.

the email:

To:you Details
U.S. Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

Your vehicle MAY be involved in a safety recall and MAY create a safety risk for you or your passengers. If left unrepaired, a potential safety defect could lead to injury or even death. Safety defects must be repaired by a dealer at no cost to you.

Why am I getting this email?
You are receiving this message because you requested to be notified by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) if there is a safety recall that may affect your vehicle.

The following may apply to one or more of your vehicles if your vehicle is listed below. Click on the NHTSA Recall ID Number below to read more about the safety issue and the reason for the recall.

To find out if your specific passenger vehicle is included in the recall, use our https://odlinks.govdelivery.com/track?type=click&enid=bWFpbGluZ2lkPTM5MzI2NTY0MyZtZXNzYWdlaWQ9UFJEL U9ETS0zOTMyNjU2NDMmZGF0YWJhc2VpZD0xMDAxJnNlcmlhbD0 xJmVtYWlsaWQ9UEVEUk8yVUBBT0wuQ09NJnVzZXJpZD00NjM0M Dc2ODgmZmw9JmV4dHJhPU11bHRpdmFyaWF0ZUlkPSYmJg==&&&100&&&https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls#vin

NHTSA Recall ID Number : https://odlinks.govdelivery.com/track?type=click&enid=bWFpbGluZ2lkPTM5MzI2NTY0MyZtZXNzYWdlaWQ9UFJEL U9ETS0zOTMyNjU2NDMmZGF0YWJhc2VpZD0xMDAxJnNlcmlhbD0 xJmVtYWlsaWQ9UEVEUk8yVUBBT0wuQ09NJnVzZXJpZD00NjM0M Dc2ODgmZmw9JmV4dHJhPU11bHRpdmFyaWF0ZUlkPSYmJg==&&&101&&&https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls?nhtsaId=20V018

Manufacturer : BMW of North America, LLC
Subject : Passenger frontal Air Bag Inflators May Explode

Make Model Model Years
BMW 320I 2000-2005
BMW 323CI 2000-2006
BMW 323I 2000-2005
BMW 323IT 2000-2005
BMW 325CI 2000-2006
BMW 325I 2000-2005
BMW 325IT 2000-2005
BMW 325XI 2000-2005
BMW 325XIT 2000-2005
BMW 328CI 2000-2006
BMW 328I 2000-2005
BMW 330CI 2000-2006
BMW 330I 2000-2005
BMW 330XI 2000-2005
BMW M3 2000-2006

[BADCLOWN]

unreal, guess I need to call the dealer and inquire as to whether or not they are aware of this/try to get ahead of it by scheduling an appt.

[pedro2u]

I bet they may not know....if you follow the link, NHTSA states:

Recall Status: Recall Incomplete, remedy not yet available

[BADCLOWN]

The BMW Store Cincinnati may do what they did with my driver side airbag and put me on a "list" of first come first serve callers and then give me a ring when the parts come in.

[Oli77]

Dang! Hope I receive this letter too.

It sucks to have to do it, but parts of me appreciate going to dealership and get out of there for free! Especially as I have never bought a BMW from a BMW dealer.

Thanks for the heads-up

[pedro2u]

just click on the VIN link.

https://odlinks.govdelivery.com/track?type=click&enid=bWFpbGluZ2lkPTM5MzI2NTY0MyZtZXNzYWdlaWQ9UFJEL U9ETS0zOTMyNjU2NDMmZGF0YWJhc2VpZD0xMDAxJnNlcmlhbD0 xJmVtYWlsaWQ9UEVEUk8yVUBBT0wuQ09NJnVzZXJpZD00NjM0M Dc2ODgmZmw9JmV4dHJhPU11bHRpdmFyaWF0ZUlkPSYmJg==&&&100&&&https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls#vin

Mine now shows 1 open recall. The recall started on 1/15/20

[cakM3]

I had both front driver's and passenger's side airbags replaced during the last recall....shit.....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200117/a85a94b3afc27dc6207f87a0635818a7.jpg

Looks like I will contact my dealer today based on this new recall....

EDIT: My M3 is scheduled for airbag replacement in February

[pedro2u]

looks like the recall is for the inflators this time, not the airbags. Sounds like we all get to go to the dealer again.....

[BADCLOWN]

I called the BMW Store in Cincinnati and they are apparently aware of this recall, but don't have the parts in yet. I don't know how I will be notified when the parts are in at the dealer, so I guess I'll have to check periodically via the phone.

I would anticipate that I'll probably get this done in late February or March, hell, maybe even early spring if it goes the same way as the airbag replacement went.


Edit: thank you for posting the link for the VIN check

[RUS_ZHP]

Thank you for bringing that to our attention. I was not aware of that and I did not recieved anything yet.
I am on the same boat as Charlie, where both airbags were replaced, but nothing was done to the inflators.
I hope nerds at Jalopnik will post something about that.

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[WOLFN8TR]

looks like the recall is for the inflators this time, not the airbags. Sounds like we all get to go to the dealer again.....

I guess I’m sorta lucky as I haven’t been to the dealer yet for the airbag recall. I called a few months ago about the mobile service they offer for recalls. They only do the drivers side airbag and not the passenger side so you still need to go to the dealer. This is just plain stupid. Now this BS...UGH.

[cakM3]

Dealer confirmed this recall using my VIN and they told me they don’t have the parts yet (not surprised to hear this) so I told them I was not in a hurry since my M3 is in hibernation status. The dealer said great and told me I could bring my M3 later in February when they will have the parts to do the recall so I got my M3 scheduled in.


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[pedro2u]

My hibernating ride won't even see daylight until at least April....

[cakM3]

My hibernating ride won't even see daylight until at least April....

I will take my hibernating M3 out to get the recall service done then put it back into hibernation again until late April. It will be more like a tease, I know...


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[pedro2u]

Tease? That's just cruel. I don't think I could handle that

What happens if the weather is bad on the day they schedule you.... Oh, the humanity......

[Oli77]

No hibernation over here.

[cakM3]

Tease? That's just cruel. I don't think I could handle that

Do you know what car I drive as my “beater car”?


What happens if the weather is bad on the day they schedule you.... Oh, the humanity......

[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] If that happened I will call the dealer and reschedule my recall service...


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[johnrando]

I have not yet received anything, but I called the closest local dealer, South Bay BMW, and scheduled the service. The weird thing is they said it could take "days, as they are backed up"... so I'm thinking, why schedule it until you can do it? Regardless, at least they knew about it, and it's scheduled. Thanks for the notice!

[pedro2u]

Do you know what car I drive as my “beater car”?

I assume it's not one of the 3 gems in your signature?

[BADCLOWN]

I find it weird some dealers will schedule it and others wont

[pedro2u]

we may have to watch for recalls on the other cars in our garages.... This from USAToday last week:

DETROIT – Takata is recalling 10 million more front air bag inflators sold to 14 different automakers because they can explode with too much force and hurl shrapnel.

The recall is the last one the bankrupt company agreed to in a 2015 settlement with the U.S. safety regulators. It could bring to a close the largest series of automotive recalls in U.S. history.

The 10 million inflators are part of the approximately 70 million in the U.S. that Takata was to recall as part of the agreement with National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Vehicles made by Audi, BMW, Honda, Daimler Vans, Fiat Chrysler, Ferrari, Ford, General Motors, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Toyota and Volkswagen are affected.

Automakers will determine what models are affected and launch their own recalls. Some already have made the announcements.

[pedro2u]

I've downloaded and attached the recall from BMWUSA. It has a FAQ portion that isn't included in the download from NHTSA

[papa_g]

Is this a new recall? It says it was posted a few days ago.

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[Cabrio330]

I got the same thing from Carfax. Pretty sure the prior owner did the Takata recall before I bought the car but not where I can confirm right now.

[kayger12]

This is a new recall to replace the defective airbags that they installed as a result of the last recall. Can't make it up...
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Summary


BMW of North America, LLC (BMW) is recalling certain 2000-2005 323iT, 325iT, 325xiT, 320i, 323i, 325i, 325xi, 328i, 330i and 330xi and 2000-2006 323Ci, 325Ci, 328Ci, 330Ci, M3 Coupe, 323Cic, 325Cic, 330Cic, and M3 Convertible vehicles equipped with non-desiccated frontal Takata PSAN inflators and PSPI passenger frontal air bag inflators containing phase stabilized ammonium nitrate (PSAN) propellant that were used as interim remedy parts for previous Takata recalls. These inflators may explode due to propellant degradation occurring after long-term exposure to high absolute humidity, high temperatures, and high temperature cycling.


Remedy


BMW will notify owners, and dealers will replace the passenger's front air bag, free of charge. The recall is expected to begin March 6, 2020. Owners may contact BMW customer service at 1-800-525-7417.

[pedro2u]

we've kicking this topic around for a few days already here:

http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?22780-Another-Airbag-Recall&p=591101#post591101

[holyc0w]

IIRC, It was known that the passenger side was a partial/temporary fix previously and there would be a follow-up fix. Though I could be making stuff up.

[pedro2u]

IIRC, It was known that the passenger side was a partial/temporary fix previously and there would be a follow-up fix. Though I could be making stuff up.

you're not making it up, that was always the plan. From the FAQ's:

Q4. Why is this recall just coming out now?

The recall schedule follows the guidelines published by NHTSA in the May 2016 amended Takata Recall Coordinated Remedy Order.

Q5. If I had my passenger front air bag module replaced prior, do I need to have it replaced again?

Yes. This final replacement part is ammonium–nitrate free. Please contact your authorized BMW center immediately to schedule an appointment to have this important free repair performed as soon as possible.

[johnrando]

Merged the two threads. Completed my recall today.

[pedro2u]

Nobody has reported having it done yet on any of the blogs! Everyone is still in the whining phase!

I think you may be first in the country!

:theman

[John in VA]

We have 3 E46s but no letters yet.

[holyc0w]

I'm guessing I won't get the letter until there are plenty of parts available since I don't frequent the dealer.

[johnrando]

Nobody has reported having it done yet on any of the blogs! Everyone is still in the whining phase!

I think you may be first in the country!

:theman:roundel

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[pedro2u]

just finally noticing how much lower your car is than mine... hmmm... nice stance

[BADCLOWN]

I'm planning on waiting until spring regardless. Will make for a good morning trip up to the dealer and check out some cars while they replace the bag on mine.

Plus my car is 15-20 minutes away stored in a co-workers garage on a ctek charger.


Cant believe you already managed to get yours done, congrats.

[johnrando]

I'm planning on waiting until spring regardless. Will make for a good morning trip up to the dealer and check out some cars while they replace the bag on mine.

Plus my car is 15-20 minutes away stored in a co-workers garage on a ctek charger.


Cant believe you already managed to get yours done, congrats.

Thanks. Yup, that makes sense. Some beautiful cars at the dealer, had not been in awhile. When I went back to pick it up, there was a stunningly perfect CSL in the showroom that wasn't there in the morning, roped off and not for sale.


just finally noticing how much lower your car is than mine... hmmm... nice stance

Thanks. But, that's an old pic. I had to change out my H&R race springs so it's not that low anymore, but I did love running those. What an amazing pic of your gorgeous car, love it! I need an new "glamour shot" of my car since it's changed so much, lol. Perfect low on yours... what are you running?

[BADCLOWN]

liiiiiike an E46 CSL?

[pedro2u]

Thanks. But, that's an old pic. I had to change out my H&R race springs so it's not that low anymore, but I did love running those. What an amazing pic of your gorgeous car, love it! I need an new "glamour shot" of my car since it's changed so much, lol. Perfect low on yours... what are you running?

I know what you mean about the glamour shot, I need a new one too. When I get it out of storage in April and some leaves on the trees....

No mods, bone stock original suspension.... that's just the factory look after 84K miles........

[johnrando]

Like this 3.0 CSL pic I found online and yes, that perfect.

36176

[BADCLOWN]

Like this 3.0 CSL pic I found online and yes, that perfect.

36176


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[BMWM3186]

My airbag recall has been completed, took them about 10 minutes once they got the car in.

[johnrando]

Nice.

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[Prestovie]

Woah, and to think I almost rear ended someone slamming on their breaks making a U-Turn yesterday. My local DL was pretty good about it last time

[theothersawyer]

Currently sitting at the dealer getting the drivers air bag (finally) and the passenger one replaced...again!

[BMWCurves]

Having mine replaced on Tuesday morning.

[John in VA]

Got my letter today referencing Recall Campaign No. 19V-853: Driver's Air Bag Inflator (NADI) for certain model year 1999-2001 3-series vehicles. They will inspect the driver air bag inflator and, if necessary, replace it with a newly designed inflator (approx. 1 hour repair).

The NHTSA site shows the following for the 2002 325xi and 2006 330ic:
1 Unrepaired Recalls associated with this VIN
Jan 15,2020
Manufacturer Recall Number - NA
NHTSA Recall Number - 20V018
Recall Status - Recall Incomplete
Summary - PASSENGER'S FRONT AIR BAG: This recall is for vehicles which have already had the Takata PSPI passenger front air bag replaced as part of a previous recall. During air bag deployment in an accident, the passenger's front air bag module may produce excessive internal pressure that could cause the inflator to explode.

[johnrando]

Interesting, as I never did get a letter. But, when I called South Bay BMW they had me in their system (I know the recall is more a corporate HQ thing).

[NYRhockey]

Interesting, as I never did get a letter. But, when I called South Bay BMW they had me in their system (I know the recall is more a corporate HQ thing).

Same here. I never got a letter but i called the local dealer and they are doing it tomorrow morning. Looking forward to test driving the loaner.

[BADCLOWN]

Called my local dealer today and they could schedule me but stated that I needed to drop my car off and leave it for 24 hours. I told them that wasnt an option and that the replacement of the recalled item shouldnt take that long (I waited when I had my driver side airbag done). The girl on the phone continued to insist that I needed to leave the car to which I continued to reply that I cant do that.

Going to call back tomorrow and talk to someone else who is willing to schedule me for a same day return, shouldnt take that damn long to replace and I dont trust my car being left anywhere, even if its the dealer.

[WOLFN8TR]

Shouldn’t take that damn long to replace and I dont trust my car being left anywhere, even if its the dealer.

X2...

For those who have done the recall now have to go back again.

They offer a mobile service but it’s only for the drivers side.

People are reporting broken trim, scratched rims and broken airbag plugs.

This is whole recall is a fiasco.

[johnrando]

For the last one I pulled my trim off before dropping it off. Btw, they told me it wld takes days when I made the appt but was done same day.

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[das boots]

Do they replace the trim pieces if they break them?

Is there a way to know if the trim pieces were broken but decide to just place a tape behind the trims?

[BADCLOWN]

called back a few hours later and scheduled without any issue, they stated it was going to be 2 hours to do the work haha.

so frustrating.

[BMWCurves]

called back a few hours later and scheduled without any issue, they stated it was going to be 2 hours to do the work haha.

so frustrating.

It's weird how variable it is. They said mine will take 30 mins today.

[cornercarver]

Got mine done today, and for the first time, I didn’t want my ZHP back. :blink They gave me a brand new 2020 M340i as a loaner; G–damn, that car is fast! 382hp, 369lb-ft of torque and a LSD make for one fun sedan.

[johnrando]

Wow

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[NYRhockey]

Got mine done today, and for the first time, I didn’t want my ZHP back. :blink They gave me a brand new 2020 M340i as a loaner; G–damn, that car is fast! 382hp, 369lb-ft of torque and a LSD make for one fun sedan.

Lucky bastard. I got a new 330xi and it was a total bore.

[BMWCurves]

Got mine done today, and for the first time, I didn’t want my ZHP back. :blink They gave me a brand new 2020 M340i as a loaner; G–damn, that car is fast! 382hp, 369lb-ft of torque and a LSD make for one fun sedan.

I drove one of those at an autocross event that BMW put in my neck of the woods. They definitely have an addicting amount of power and torque that I wish my car had, but when I got back in my car, I didn't really envy the rest of the M340i.

To each their own.


Lucky bastard. I got a new 330xi and it was a total bore.

Y'all got loaners? They told me it would be 45 minute wait and didn't have a loaner for me to rip around in while I waited. Ended up taking two hours :facepalm

[NYRhockey]

Y'all got loaners? They told me it would be 45 minute wait and didn't have a loaner for me to rip around in while I waited. Ended up taking two hours :facepalm

When i called to set up the appointment the lady who answered told me a loaner wasn’t offered because it was only a 1-1.5 hour job but i didn’t feel like sitting there idle so i told her it’s not my fault the car is defective and that I’d be needing a loaner. She immediately agreed to it without any pushback.



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[cornercarver]

I drove one of those at an autocross event that BMW put in my neck of the woods. They definitely have an addicting amount of power and torque that I wish my car had, but when I got back in my car, I didn't really envy the rest of the M340i.

To each their own.
There were definitely some things I didn’t like; The seats were not as comfortable as the ZHP, and the size - it felt really big. The hood line was noticeably higher from the cockpit. Exhaust note was surprisingly good though for a turbo 6...

https://youtu.be/9cMX7i2tyCs

[cakM3]

When i called to set up the appointment the lady who answered told me a loaner wasn’t offered because it was only a 1-1.5 hour job but i didn’t feel like sitting there idle so i told her it’s not my fault the car is defective and that I’d be needing a loaner. She immediately agreed to it without any pushback.

That's interesting because when I set up my appointment to have my M3 serviced later this month, I had no problem having a loaner set up for when I took my car in for this recall service. They asked me if I required a loaner and I immediately said yes and they told me I would have one when I took my car in.

[az3579]

You've got to know how to play the game with regards to loaners.
For me it's not deliberate; the only time I can take my car in is after work, which is after 4 pm. They won't do the work on the car by the time they receive it (probably after 5 pm after all is said and done) so I always end up with a loaner overnight.

[John in VA]

You've got to know how to play the game with regards to loaners.
For me it's not deliberate; the only time I can take my car in is after work, which is after 4 pm. They won't do the work on the car by the time they receive it (probably after 5 pm after all is said and done) so I always end up with a loaner overnight.

Truth! Scheduling the work enough in advance has always put us in a loaner.

[RUS_ZHP]

I finally called and scheduled the repair for my wife's sedan.
Touring is a bit different case. It is Canadian VIN and dealers cannot see it in the database. So, I am working directly with BMW of NA. I've done some paperwork and waiting to hear back.

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[RUS_ZHP]

I finally called and scheduled the repair for my wife's sedan.
Touring is a bit different case. It is Canadian VIN and dealers cannot see it in the database. So, I am working directly with BMW of NA. I've done some paperwork and waiting to hear back.

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[sillieidiot]

For the last one I pulled my trim off before dropping it off. Btw, they told me it wld takes days when I made the appt but was done same day.

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This is what I always do. Mostly because I have silver CF trim. iono how they will replace that if they break it lol

[cakM3]

For the last one I pulled my trim off before dropping it off. Btw, they told me it wld takes days when I made the appt but was done same day.

Good point John. I have the rare ALU Tech interior trim on my M3. I will pull this off the night before taking my car in for the service...

[RUS_ZHP]

Good point John. I have the rare ALU Tech interior trim on my M3. I will pull this off the night before taking my car in for the service...+1. You guys are making an excellent point. I will remove mine before my Monday appointment.

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[John in VA]

For the last one I pulled my trim off before dropping it off.
I put painter's tape on the trim to help avoid them scratching it during the last recall. Have never removed the trim before. Is it difficult (too lazy to Google morning!)?

[johnrando]

I put painter's tape on the trim to help avoid them scratching it during the last recall. Have never removed the trim before. Is it difficult (too lazy to Google morning!)?It's really not. Just use a non-mar too and pop them off, carefully.

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[phillipjfry]

I called local BMW today, they told me no fix yet, and they would call me whenever there is a repair available.

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[JPMo]

Just got mine done at the dealership. Went in for an oil change since I didn't have time to do it myself and found out that they no longer offer the value oil change making this visit a whopping $185. Of course I'd rather run a few extra miles on old oil than pay that so I then asked about the recall. Seems like they were not going to offer it to me if I didn't ask. Luckily they had airbags in stock and performed the recall

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[WOLFN8TR]

Just got mine done at the dealership. Went in for an oil change since I didn't have time to do it myself and found out that they no longer offer the value oil change making this visit a whopping $185.

You need to get an Oil Extractor. Makes oil changes so much easier!

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