Shady Odometer Records... Input?

[Dathaeus]

Ok I am no expert but this looks weird... seller told me there is 125k miles, but I did a VIN check and saw this:

09-09-2004 2 mi
11-08-2006 16,246 mi
08-15-2013 224,666 mi
02-25-2016 270,528 mi
05-11-2016 EXEMPT

What is exempt?

And thats some usage from 2006-2013.

Too suspect or just a technical glitch?

[fredo]

In Texas, cars older than 10 years are EXEMPT to report mileage on a new title.

[az3579]

It's kind of weird because on my title, it says "exceeds mechanical limits" for the odometer reading, which is extremely unlikely considering it's digital and has 6 digits. It seems that states have different ways of dealing with older cars and their titles.

Regarding usage; this is totally possible. I put about 194k on my car in the nearly 6 years I've owned it. The thing I'd be worried about is what the seller is reporting versus what's on the odometer statements. You can usually tell when a car has 270k on it versus 125k; the differences should be night and day.

[KTS317]

Post a picture of the gauge cluster? Maybe it's possible they did a cluster swap from a lower mileage car and it still has the tamper dot on?


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[Dathaeus]

Post a picture of the gauge cluster? Maybe it's possible they did a cluster swap from a lower mileage car and it still has the tamper dot on?


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Where is the tamper dot... I do see a dot just to left of the temporary trip odometer, not sure if that's normal.

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[KTS317]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170522/c6050557eff32e2233112e6c10eb70df.jpg

It means that the gauge cluster and the computer have different mileage recorded.


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[Dathaeus]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170522/c6050557eff32e2233112e6c10eb70df.jpg

It means that the gauge cluster and the computer have different mileage recorded.


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Yes it's there for me between the "mileage" and the trip meter number, sigh, WTF, I sincerely hope this dealer is just that stupid and didn't know, gonna make me travel 200 miles on a lie. Funny thing is the car overall in no way looks like a 250k mile car, so weird.... I doubt the previous owner would have replaced the seats, steering wheel, shift knob, paint etc etc.....

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[KTS317]

Do you have a link to the car? Maybe for some reason the computer was replaced?? I think it's the EWS? Not sure how all of that works


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[Dathaeus]

Do you have a link to the car? Maybe for some reason the computer was replaced?? I think it's the EWS? Not sure how all of that works


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I don't see where you can see that info you need from the listing
http://www.carstradecenter.com/mobile/view/1562

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[fredo]

Price is good. But the SES light is on.

[az3579]

Yes it's there for me between the "mileage" and the trip meter number, sigh, WTF, I sincerely hope this dealer is just that stupid and didn't know, gonna make me travel 200 miles on a lie. Funny thing is the car overall in no way looks like a 250k mile car, so weird.... I doubt the previous owner would have replaced the seats, steering wheel, shift knob, paint etc etc.....

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A common mistake people make is when they replace their light control modules, they tend to just buy used ones and put them in, calling it a day. They need to be coded to match the cluster, otherwise the tamper dot gets thrown. Brand new LCMs just match the cluster, so they don't throw tamper dots. Most likely a used LCM was put in, or the cluster replaced with a used one.

Either way, you would have to hook up PA Soft to the car to see what the mileage and VIN is on both the LCM and cluster. This would tell you which of those two modules is the original one, therefore telling you the (most likely) correct mileage.


Personally, I'd walk away from this car. It has too spotty of a history already, and the SES light doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. It's probably just the occupancy sensor as they do tend to fail on some cars, but it still seems like too much headache just to make sure the car is actually legit.

[Dathaeus]

A common mistake people make is when they replace their light control modules, they tend to just buy used ones and put them in, calling it a day. They need to be coded to match the cluster, otherwise the tamper dot gets thrown. Brand new LCMs just match the cluster, so they don't throw tamper dots. Most likely a used LCM was put in, or the cluster replaced with a used one.

Either way, you would have to hook up PA Soft to the car to see what the mileage and VIN is on both the LCM and cluster. This would tell you which of those two modules is the original one, therefore telling you the (most likely) correct mileage.


Personally, I'd walk away from this car. It has too spotty of a history already, and the SES light doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. It's probably just the occupancy sensor as they do tend to fail on some cars, but it still seems like too much headache just to make sure the car is actually legit.
On top of needing to travel 200 miles for it... SMH.

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[ELCID86]

At that starting price it might be worth having a PPI done. :dunno

[az3579]

I just looked at the pics and... wow, that steering wheel. It has absolutely no material on it whatsoever; someone must have ripped off all the alcantara and left just the bare underneath. You're looking at buying a new steering wheel if that bothers you. It's not as thick as it should be if you leave it this way.

I don't see the SES light someone else mentioned; that's just the seatbelt light, probably because whoever was sitting there wasn't wearing his/her seatbelt. I do see a deformed front bumper and a broken grille, as well as missing fog light covers, but overall these aren't bad at all considering its price.

I would get PA Soft on that sucker and find out what the real mileage is on it, because it looks like it could very well be a 121k car. It still seems a bit high though if you plan on fixing these things. After these fixes, it would cost you about what an auto ZHP with this kind of mileage would normally cost, only without the tamper dot issue. You might be able to use these things to your negotiating advantage...

[Dathaeus]

I just looked at the pics and... wow, that steering wheel. It has absolutely no material on it whatsoever; someone must have ripped off all the alcantara and left just the bare underneath. You're looking at buying a new steering wheel if that bothers you. It's not as thick as it should be if you leave it this way.

I don't see the SES light someone else mentioned; that's just the seatbelt light, probably because whoever was sitting there wasn't wearing his/her seatbelt. I do see a deformed front bumper and a broken grille, as well as missing fog light covers, but overall these aren't bad at all considering its price.

I would get PA Soft on that sucker and find out what the real mileage is on it, because it looks like it could very well be a 121k car. It still seems a bit high though if you plan on fixing these things. After these fixes, it would cost you about what an auto ZHP with this kind of mileage would normally cost, only without the tamper dot issue. You might be able to use these things to your negotiating advantage...

LOL good eye on the steering wheel, I just thought that was leather but you are right now that I inspect it, it is thinner. The alcantra was prob spent to s%$t.

Only issue with the negotiating thing is traveling there only to come back with nothing. Their Experian Auto Check shows 271k miles with 5 owners LOL... at least it had no "accidents" but who knows... already moving on, at least from this, too much uncertainty and not close so.... 99% decided to rebuild my 2003 6MT, I think that's the only way I will be happy now. This used car buying process is absolute $#@%&#@$.

[anandoc]

I don't see the SES light someone else mentioned; that's just the seatbelt light, probably because whoever was sitting there wasn't wearing his/her seatbelt.

The Service Engine Soon light is on in this picture:

http://www.carstradecenter.com/files/images/inventory/9bcce458c307fa11d3f8e41136cb8c6f1da59b8d.jpg

[az3579]

The Service Engine Soon light is on in this picture:

http://www.carstradecenter.com/files/images/inventory/9bcce458c307fa11d3f8e41136cb8c6f1da59b8d.jpg

Sorry I originally read that as SRS (airbag), and meant to type SRS in my post...