Flying down to NC to get my zhp on Friday

[NYRhockey]

can't freaking wait.

Imola, 6spd. No cold weather package but seller claims to have premium package which i'll confirm, but even if it doesn't have it i don't really care. The only thing i'd like out of it is the auto garage opener.

Car goes for inspection Monday morning at BMW dealer and pending any surprises wife and i would fly out Friday morning to go get it. 10hr drive so we'll do 2 legs stopping for a night out in the dc/baltimore area

52,007 current miles
clean carfax
2 keys and manuals

Maintenance recently done by owner:
NGK Plugs
oil change
new rotors / pads (4)
wipers / washer fluid pump
front window regulator

Dealer maintenance by previous owner:

recall for rear lights (2011)
recall for driver airbag (2014)
vcg (2014)
brake fluid flush and mirror covers replaced (2015)

Made mention of coil packs being replaced due to recall which i had not heard of but has sticker under hood showing replacement

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[NYRhockey]

Other than bill of sale and title, what else do i need to get from the seller?

[NYRhockey]

Also, what do i need to ge/dot in order to be able to drive it back? i could slap a plate from another car but would prefer to do it the legit way.

[johnrando]

I'm not really sure but it sounds like you would just need a bill of sale and title. I don't think you would need the plates. Also, I have never heard of a recall on the coil packs. Regardless, congratulations. Good luck with the car

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[holyc0w]

Make sure to get it insured.

[NYRhockey]

Yes, first thing Monday is insurance company. That's key.

[BMWCurves]

Congrats, hopefully it works out! Sounds like a great find.

I would just like to ask, are you correct in saying it's had the driver's side airbag recall done, not the passenger's side? I feel like if it was done in 2014, the passenger's side would be more likely to have been completed.

[NYRhockey]

The seller said driver's side on 11/22/14 but carfax only has the passenger side on 7/15/14. He had called BMW Austin where the car previously was and wrote what he was told. I will do the same and call next week and see what records they will give me over the phone.

[fw_fw]

Nice find!!! Don't let the Garage door opener or lack of deter you, it's an easy $30 upgrade via parts from ebay.

[ELCID86]

My state DMV has a temporary trip permit that you can buy and print online. See if your state does.

[Vas]

Keep us updated.

Low mileage for sure

[NYRhockey]

thanks, guys. I'll keep you posted.

[danewilson77]

Yesssssssss

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[BMWCurves]

Nice find!!! Don't let the Garage door opener or lack of deter you, it's an easy $30 upgrade via parts from ebay.

Is that all it is for the upper console piece?

The alternative is getting an E90 rearview mirror with HomeLink (garage door opener), autodim, and compass. Was about $150 for the mirror and I love it in mine.

[fw_fw]

Is that all it is for the upper console piece?

The alternative is getting an E90 rearview mirror with HomeLink (garage door opener), autodim, and compass. Was about $150 for the mirror and I love it in mine.

Yep, such as this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-BMW-E38-E39-X5-E46-E36-HOMELINK-Remote-Garage-door-opener-transmitter-/122320639875?hash=item1c7ae0d783:g:jjkAAOSwImRYg6L c&vxp=mtr

There are dozens on ebay, anywhere from $15-$50......

Remove the console piece from the roof, carefully cut out the indentation on the back. Find the wire plug in the headliner, plug in and you are set!! Plenty of DIYs out there.......

Tip: search for ones with the white numbers on the buttons, it can handle rolling code garage door openers. The black letter versions could not.

[fredo]

Congrats, man. IR FTW ! BMW of Austin is notorious because they rarely enter svc recs in Carfax.

Very likely you can buy a temp permit with your DMV online. Here in TX the sell for $5 and are good for 5 days.

[ZHPizza]

Congrats! Where in NC is this thing located?

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[3ZHP]

Congrats!


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[John in VA]

My state DMV has a temporary trip permit that you can buy and print online. See if your state does.

https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/temp_permit.html

Trip Permit

Do you need to move an unregistered vehicle from one location to another? Then, a trip permit or a prospective purchaser's trip permit might be just what you need.

Standard Trip Permit
A standard trip permit allows the owner of any motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer to move the vehicle from one location to another without registering the vehicle. These permits are valid for three consecutive days. Motorized vehicles must be properly insured or the owner must pay 1/12 of the $500 uninsured motor vehicle fee. Non-motorized trailers are NOT required to be insured; however, they should be pulled by a properly insured vehicle. If the vehicle is designed as a property-carrying vehicle, it must be unladen while operating under the authority of the trip permit. The Virginia trip permit is valid only in Virginia. The customer must contact other state(s) if the travel route is outside of Virginia.

Applying For a Standard Trip Permit
If you are the vehicle owner and want to move your unregistered vehicle, you are required to apply for a trip permit. You will need:
point of origin and point of destination;
dates of travel;
$5 permit fee;
insurance certification or payment of 1/12 of the uninsured motor vehicle fee for motorized vehicles ONLY.

Prospective Purchaser's Trip Permit
A prospective purchaser's trip permit is available for Virginia residents who intend to purchase a vehicle that will be titled/registered in Virginia. These permits are valid for three days, beginning on the date of the purchase (as indicated on the bill of sale). The original bill of sale must be attached to the permit to validate the permit, and the permit must be displayed in the vehicle window while the vehicle is operated under the permit. If the customer has not purchased the vehicle WITHIN 15 DAYS after printing the permit, he must purchase another permit.

[Ron///Man]

Congrats!!! Great looking car with super low miles too. I did a similar thing last year and went from NY to WV. It had only 40K on the clock and was in pristine shape. Previous owner added a BMW accessory Homelink to the overhead, but I'm sure the ebay ones will be just fine too.

[NYRhockey]

car is in Raleigh, NC. Wife and i are flying out of white plains, NY (6:20am departure, oy) and have a short layover in Washington. Have decided on staying in Baltimore Fri night so looking forward to the experience.

So far i am very happy with the seller. Seems he is an enthusiast himself and is very responsive and open to questions.

[Vas]

Going up i95 or i81 on the easy back home ?

[NYRhockey]

i81 is too far west, so it'd be i-95.

However, if i had an extra day (need to be back home in CT by saturday afternoon), i'd like to go on the blue ridge parkway. Saw a recent article that it's one of the best drives around.

[hickatew]

Nice NYRhockey!! Imola <3. Looks like we're getting ours at about the same time. I'm getting mines Friday the Feb 3rd.

[az3579]

Glad you found one.
Feel free to stop by on the way home! :biggrin

[hcbeck2689]

I live in NC. All you need is title, bill of sale is a plus but not required. The title must me notarized, but he can have it done before hand. Only the seller needs to be present at time of notary.
I have driven cars home on the sellers tag before and mailed it back to them. You can sign a release of liability so that they are covered in he case of an accident. I think the NCDMV website has a PDF.


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[Vas]

i81 is too far west, so it'd be i-95.

However, if i had an extra day (need to be back home in CT by saturday afternoon), i'd like to go on the blue ridge parkway. Saw a recent article that it's one of the best drives around.

It sure is. If you decide to take it, let me know and we can meet up.

[NYRhockey]

Glad you found one.
Feel free to stop by on the way home! :biggrin

I will pm you later. Should be hitting ct in early afternoon if you're going to be around


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[NYRhockey]

It sure is. If you decide to take it, let me know and we can meet up.

How far is it from raleigh? We'd probably be leaving raleigh around 12-1 I imagine


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[NYRhockey]

Here is a copy of ppi. Will need tires asap28775



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[san]

Nothing out of the ordinary... :thumbsup


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[NYRhockey]

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[NYRhockey]

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[NYRhockey]

At 3/32 for rears would it be safe to drive the 500 miles with them or should I look to pick up a pair of tires while in nc


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[BADCLOWN]

I think you could make it home on them so long as you don't hit any weather. Any adverse conditions/slick pavement will turn those tears to slicks

[slater]

those tires are pretty old... look at the dry-rotting. i would not trust them for the journey, especially in january...

[NYRhockey]

those tires are pretty old... look at the dry-rotting. i would not trust them for the journey, especially in january...

I agree with you. It's a long drive and who is to say I don't catch any rain, for example.

For the nc guys, what is a good tire place in the raleigh area? At home i go to town fair tire but they're only in new england states


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[NYRhockey]

What is the tread on a new tire? Fronts have 9/32 so wonder if I should get a full set and sell the current front ones or just get 2 rears


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[jonmango42]

Congrats on the gem of a ZHP! Discount Tire has been good to me. They also price match most stores around. There are several in the Raleigh area.

[Vas]

Costco is another option.

If you can swing it, I would replace all 4 tires.

[fredo]

I recommend to confirm availability first. When I bought my two rears in DT, they were not in stock.

[fredo]

New tires are 10/32. I suggest buying the 2 rear ones only.

[NYRhockey]

I recommend to confirm availability first. When I bought my two rears in DT, they were not in stock.

Agree. I'll be calling today or tomorrow the latest to make sure they're in for fri morning.


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[NYRhockey]

What are the tire sizes i need again?


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[san]

What are the tire sizes i need again?


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Fronts - 225/40-18
Rears - 255/35-18


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[az3579]

I will pm you later. Should be hitting ct in early afternoon if you're going to be around


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Aww, Tuesdays are my late days, so I won't be out of work 'till 5. :(

[NYRhockey]

Aww, Tuesdays are my late days, so I won't be out of work 'till 5. :(

I'm leaving nc fri afternoon so it'd be Saturday when i can swing by


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[ZHPizza]

I have some good condition all seasons on the rear that I was planning to offload soon. I could get them off the car tonight, but getting them to Raleigh before Friday doesn't look feasible.

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[Vas]

New tires are 10/32. I suggest buying the 2 rear ones only.

Consider the production date and the condition of the tires though. If they are dry and couple years old, then replacing them is a good idea.

[az3579]

I'm leaving nc fri afternoon so it'd be Saturday when i can swing by


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Oh, I saw "tomorrow". Alright then, on Saturday I've got all the time in the world. I can even come up to see you if it's more convenient!
I'm just looking for an excuse for a road trip and to meet someone new. lol

[NYRhockey]

Fronts - 225/40-18
Rears - 255/35-18


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Aren't the rears 18.5?


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[ZHPizza]

Aren't the rears 18.5?


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Bless. Those are the tire sizes.

The wheels are 18x8 front and 18x8.5 rear.

[az3579]

Aren't the rears 18.5?


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Nope - 18" diameter, 8.5" width.

[slater]

Consider the production date and the condition of the tires though. If they are dry and couple years old, then replacing them is a good idea.

precisely. although at 9/32" it's likely they have been replaced before, but if they are the same age as the rears... yeah, i'd replace them. also, for dry-rotting like that, i imagine they are at least 6-7 years old. that's old for a tire.

[NYRhockey]

Appt on fri at 1230 at discount tire to get the 2 rears. Car has michelin sport a/s 3 on them so getting the matching rears.

So far only getting the rears and let the guys at the shop tell me if the front ones need replacing as well.

The ones at the store are a/s 3 plus and the seller didn't mention the "plus" so wonder if it could be an indication of age


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[slater]

Appt on fri at 1230 at discount tire to get the 2 rears. Car has michelin sport a/s 3 on them so getting the matching rears.

So far only getting the rears and let the guys at the shop tell me if the front ones need replacing as well.

The ones at the store are a/s 3 plus and the seller didn't mention the "plus" so wonder if it could be an indication of age


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the fronts are AS/3's? because those rears in the pic are not AS/3's...

AS/3+ is supposed to be, according to the michelin rep i spoke to at NAIAS, almost on par with the PSS. which is why they ended up coming out with the PS4S.

[az3579]

AS/3+ is supposed to be, according to the michelin rep i spoke to at NAIAS, almost on par with the PSS.

lol

[Vas]

The tires currently on the car based on that image are Pilot Sport A/S Plus. Not the same as the A/S 3 or the replacement for them which is the A/S 3+ ( similar to the Pilot Super Sport )

[NYRhockey]

The tread looks like this one 28783


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[NYRhockey]

Yes, from googling a/s plus Vas is right. Discount tire only had the a/s 3


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[holyc0w]

Some of these performance all seasons are getting pretty close, though I think there's still a bit of a margin in the wet.

[Johnmadd]

Some of these performance all seasons are getting pretty close, though I think there's still a bit of a margin in the wet.

Agree, you analyzed the difference between our tires at the meet. Tread is similar but different too.

[holyc0w]

I looked at the numbers tirerack had for I believe the DW's and DWS's. From what I recall, it was two separate tests, but the performance difference in the dry was marginal. It's not exactly scientific, but it was a bit surprising.

[NYRhockey]

Some of these performance all seasons are getting pretty close, though I think there's still a bit of a margin in the wet.

Honestly, knowing the front and rears are not the same and tread is different would drive me nuts, so I'll just get the full set. I could deal with it on winters but not the year rounds.




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[NYRhockey]

On another note the dealer quoted me 1100 for the oil pan gasket replacement. Looks like I'll be shopping around for that when i get home


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[Vas]

Good call on getting 4 matching tires.

[NYRhockey]

Oh, I saw "tomorrow". Alright then, on Saturday I've got all the time in the world. I can even come up to see you if it's more convenient!
I'm just looking for an excuse for a road trip and to meet someone new. lol

We can swing by you or you can meet us closer to NY somewhere if you want to drive, since as we continue our travels north on i95 towards new haven the car will get fuller with kids as we pick them up from the grandparents who are taking them while we go to NC.

[slater]

lol

what are you LOLing about? the rep told me they totally overshot the mark with the AS/3+, and it was getting too close to the PSS, so they developed the PS4S... which he said, "imagine the PSS and Cup2 had a baby..." sounds awesome to me!

oh.... and there were two singer 911s at the michelin booth. i was there for an hour.... could've stayed all day but my son was tugging on my arm for the last 55min i was drooling over the singer....



Yes, from googling a/s plus Vas is right. Discount tire only had the a/s 3

good, because the A/S Plus was discontinued like 6 years ago... :)



Good call on getting 4 matching tires.

amen, brother! :cheers

[san]

what are you LOLing about? the rep told me they totally overshot the mark with the AS/3+, and it was getting too close to the PSS, so they developed the PS4S... which he said, "imagine the PSS and Cup2 had a baby..." sounds awesome to me!


I'm thinking that the PSS got the update because it's almost 10 years old now. Not saying that rep was lying or the AS/3+ isn't close to PSS (I've never driven a car with either tire so I wouldn't know) but I think they would've released the PS4S irrespective...


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[slater]

I'm thinking that the PSS got the update because it's almost 10 years old now. Not saying that rep was lying or the AS/3+ isn't close to PSS (I've never driven a car with either tire so I wouldn't know) but I think they would've released the PS4S irrespective...


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technically it's only 6.5 years old. but i digress. :)

and yes, they definitely would have come out with a replacement.... just going by what the rep told me. he was not like any of the other reps i spoke to. dude was real.

[san]

technically it's only 6.5 years old. but i digress. :)

and yes, they definitely would have come out with a replacement.... just going by what the rep told me. he was not like any of the other reps i spoke to. dude was real.

Oh my bad! I thought the PSS debuted on the 458 Italia which I thought came out in 2008...


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[NYRhockey]

So, talked with the ct dmv about a trip permit and was told it'd have to come from nc dmv bc that is where I'm traveling from.

Called nc dmv and wad told they don't have release of liability forms be able to drive with current tags and that only way to get a temp permit is to go to a dmv office. Fml

Looks like I'll just bring a plate with me and hope for the best


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[az3579]

Looks like I'll just bring a plate with me and hope for the best



I'd say you'll be fine as long as the vehicle is properly insured.
I got lucky with mine in that the previous owner let me keep his plates on there for the drive home. I actually had to keep it on for a couple of months because the Massachusetts RMV lost my title, and had to go through the duplicate title process to register my car. lol

[hcbeck2689]

So, talked with the ct dmv about a trip permit and was told it'd have to come from nc dmv bc that is where I'm traveling from.

Called nc dmv and wad told they don't have release of liability forms be able to drive with current tags and that only way to get a temp permit is to go to a dmv office. Fml

Looks like I'll just bring a plate with me and hope for the best


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You don't need a release of liability form. It's not required in NC. All it does is protect the seller. You can drive it with the tag and his insurance as long as he is cool with it.

If he is not going to let you use the tag, you could just make sure you had insurance and drove it home without a tag. You might get stopped, and you might get a ticket, but I would think most cops are cool.

Another option, borrow a plate and insurance cards of someone else here on the forum with a IR sedan. Cops won't check a vin when they stop you.


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[NoVAphotog]

So, talked with the ct dmv about a trip permit and was told it'd have to come from nc dmv bc that is where I'm traveling from.

Called nc dmv and wad told they don't have release of liability forms be able to drive with current tags and that only way to get a temp permit is to go to a dmv office. Fml

Looks like I'll just bring a plate with me and hope for the best


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That's weird. When I picked my car up from TN, I got a VA Trip Permit since my destination of registration/where I lived was the car's final destination. They didn't care where it was coming from. There is no online presence for CT where you can buy one and print it out like with VA?

[san]

So, talked with the ct dmv about a trip permit and was told it'd have to come from nc dmv bc that is where I'm traveling from.

Called nc dmv and wad told they don't have release of liability forms be able to drive with current tags and that only way to get a temp permit is to go to a dmv office. Fml

Looks like I'll just bring a plate with me and hope for the best


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I bought the car in New Jersey and I had to go to the NJ DMV to get temp plates before I could drive the car back to Indiana...


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[jonnyd330]

Do not put other plates on the car if you get stopped that could be seen as a stolen vehicle. You are better off driving without faults and have a bill of sale with the title. If you can get to the DMV snag a temp tag.

[NYRhockey]

Do not put other plates on the car if you get stopped that could be seen as a stolen vehicle. You are better off driving without faults and have a bill of sale with the title. If you can get to the DMV snag a temp tag.

Being seen as stolen seems a little much, no? The plates I'd bring with me would be from another car i own and registered to my name plus would have insurance, title and bill of sale to my name as well.


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[Karl Lazlo]

CT DMV will issue temp registration & tags on a title/bill of sale and insurance.

[jonnyd330]

Being seen as stolen seems a little much, no? The plates I'd bring with me would be from another car i own and registered to my name plus would have insurance, title and bill of sale to my name as well.


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That is what a cop told me in Florida. Not sure how other states view it. There are some laws around using plates from another car that could get you into trouble.

[san]

Sorry if I'm missing something but why can't you go to the NC DMV and pick up the temp tags when you get the car?


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[az3579]

Sorry if I'm missing something but why can't you go to the NC DMV and pick up the temp tags when you get the car?


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Well depending on the DMV - who wants to stand or sit in line for 1-4 hours?

[fw_fw]

Sorry if I'm missing something but why can't you go to the NC DMV and pick up the temp tags when you get the car?


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Don't know about NC, but here in AL you can drive a car 20 days after purchase without having gotten a tag for it. There are no temp tags in AL. All you need is the salespaperwork........

[san]

Well depending on the DMV - who wants to stand or sit in line for 1-4 hours?

I mean I get that but if I'm driving a new to me car through multiple states in a day I would make sure I have all the relevant paperwork so that I don't get into trouble with the cops. I'm sure most of us wouldn't take a chance but if I need to go to the DMV and wait in line for a couple of hours then that's what I would do. For me the stress of most likely not having the right paperwork while driving would be more than the stress of waiting in line at the DMV [emoji4]


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[san]

Don't know about NC, but here in AL you can drive a car 20 days after purchase without having gotten a tag for it. There are no temp tags in AL. All you need is the salespaperwork........

I heard something similar for Michigan but I think it's a couple of days instead of the 20 days...


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[NYRhockey]

That is what a cop told me in Florida. Not sure how other states view it. There are some laws around using plates from another car that could get you into trouble.

I actually spoke with the seller and he's letting me use his tags so feel better about that.


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[John in VA]

I actually spoke with the seller and he's letting me use his tags so feel better about that.
It's extremely nice of him to do that for you. We may be a "family" here, but I would only do that for an actual family member. Not being a jerk - just world-wise.

[ELCID86]

It's extremely nice of him to do that for you. We may be a "family" here, but I would only do that for an actual family member. Not being a jerk - just world-wise.

Yep. I guess he trust you to mail them back. Temp trip permit would be my preference.

NY Ranger did you find a place to stay in VA/DC/MD?

[NYRhockey]

Temp / trip permit would mean i have to go to the dmv so it'd take too long. It's either his plates or mine from another car.

We're staying in Baltimore fri night. Hotel is booked and ready to go.


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[ELCID86]

Temp / trip permit would mean i have to go to the dmv so it'd take too long. It's either his plates or mine from another car.

We're staying in Baltimore fri night. Hotel is booked and ready to go.


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Ok. VA let's you pay online and print it...

Wave as you go by I-95 Exit 140 in VA!

[NYRhockey]

Ok. VA let's you pay online and print it...

Wave as you go by I-95 Exit 140 in VA!

That's the way it should be! If you want to start reducing those awful dmv lines, and in ct it's torture, then let people get things like this online.

When i told the wife Vas wanted to meet in nc and BP back home she was like "huh? Internet friends?" Poor soul just doesn't get it [emoji846]

If it wasn't bc i have to get tires i would have tried to meet up with Vas to go on the blue ridge parkway but such is life


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[az3579]

Congrats on the car, either way! I know you were trying to pick something up as close to what you had before. Glad it worked out - that's a hard thing to accomplish since your other one was so nice!

[Vas]

Next time.

Keep us updated.

[NYRhockey]

Congrats on the car, either way! I know you were trying to pick something up as close to what you had before. Glad it worked out - that's a hard thing to accomplish since your other one was so nice!

Thanks. Yes, it was a pain to find it. The other one had 73K and got it for $10K which was a gift. This one has 52K but it was $15K, so hardly a bargain and probably a bit of overpay, but for the mileage i was willing to suck it up.

[ELCID86]

That's the way it should be! If you want to start reducing those awful dmv lines, and in ct it's torture, then let people get things like this online.

When i told the wife Vas wanted to meet in nc and BP back home she was like "huh? Internet friends?" Poor soul just doesn't get it [emoji846]

If it wasn't bc i have to get tires i would have tried to meet up with Vas to go on the blue ridge parkway but such is life


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Lol. My wife still rags on me about my online friends. (Cue Brad Paisley "Online"...!)

She's really think it's odd if I offered you a place for the night! I can offer dinner if you'd like :-)

[BCS_ZHP]

Come on Shawn, I had about 10 ZHPMafia sleep over one weekend, had never met half of them. Initially the wife said WTF, afterwards she loved them all, Dane & BP have even come back a couple times. Tell Kim to live a little, lol.

[BCS_ZHP]

NYRhockey - Friday only 2 days away, are you getting any sleep? Likely not. Safe travels and enjoy the trip, take the scenic route, I-95 sux.

[NoVAphotog]

I-95 sux.

+1

And always remember...Do NOT speed in the Commonwealth of Virginia! 20mph over posted and ANYTHING over 80mph REGARDLESS of what posted sign says is Reckless Driving.

http://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053

[NYRhockey]

Yea, VA is no joke. Summer of 09 we were down at the marriott ranch in Hume and got a ticket in town for barely over the speed limit.

Given the whole plate situation i plan on driving only slightly above the speed limit and never above 70-75.


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[slater]

Lol. My wife still rags on me about my online friends. (Cue Brad Paisley "Online"...!)

She's really think it's odd if I offered you a place for the night! I can offer dinner if you'd like :-)

ha, sounds like my wife. "are you talking to your internet friends again?" LOL.

[NYRhockey]

NYRhockey - Friday only 2 days away, are you getting any sleep? Likely not. Safe travels and enjoy the trip, take the scenic route, I-95 sux.

The past few days before we go to bed I remind the wife how many nights are left before the trip. I think she'll be happiest when I finally get the car so i stop with the countdown


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[NYRhockey]

Lol. My wife still rags on me about my online friends. (Cue Brad Paisley "Online"...!)

She's really think it's odd if I offered you a place for the night! I can offer dinner if you'd like :-)

Thanks for the offer [emoji846]. Next time I'm in the area will def look for a meet up. For this trip since we're leaving nc so late we need to go straight to Baltimore so we get there at a reasonable time.

Would have liked to make this an all weekend trip but we got 2 kids (4 and 1yo) staying with grandparents and they want us to pick them up asap on Saturday afternoon


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[ELCID86]

Understood. Let me know if you need anything while in the area. I'll be home and off I-95 S around 4:30.

And my wife and I stayed at the Marriott Ranch in Hume last year!
And Kim wouldn't mind at all Bruce! ;-)

[BCS_ZHP]

Likewise, hoping for an uneventful pleasant return trip for you. However, if something comes up in the VA/DC/MD area, give me a call, have tools, jacks, jack stand, & truck, can make a road call, nothing eventful planned for Saturday, Mafia has your back. Bruce (703-two-three-two-8535)

[NYRhockey]

Thanks guys. At the bank right now waiting for seller [emoji3]


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[hcbeck2689]

Thanks guys. At the bank right now waiting for seller [emoji3]


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Make sure you do some donuts before the long drive home. [emoji12]


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[johnrando]

Not exciting at all, is it? :biggrin

[ZHPizza]

Make sure you do some donuts before the long drive home. [emoji12]


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I mean...he is getting new tires so...press and hold the DSC button, press and hold the gas pedal...is that the right order?

[NoVAphotog]

Make sure you do some donuts before the long drive home. [emoji12]


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfsWoMpPtQ8

[ZHPizza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfsWoMpPtQ8

I was so confused as to how he was holding that until he mentioned the welded diff.

That changes things.

[NYRhockey]

Car is mine! Can't say enough good things about the seller. Extremely nice and came prepared with a folder with all docs and 2 copies of bill of sale, both ct and nc one.

Car now sits at discount tire getting new shoes and wife and i are enjoying some kickback jacks


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[BMWCurves]

Congrats! Must feel great to have one again

[fredo]

Congrats, man ! :thumbsup and yes, we need pics.

[Vas]

Car is mine! Can't say enough good things about the seller. Extremely nice and came prepared with a folder with all docs and 2 copies of bill of sale, both ct and nc one.

Car now sits at discount tire getting new shoes and wife and i are enjoying some kickback jacks


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Pics pics pics.... Of the car and the food

[Prestovie]

When I went to pick mine up, and I know this sounds crumby, but I just used the license plate off of my brothers silver BMW lol. Originally going to take my moms up there but we forgot it, so last minute we attached my brothers, so we had 2 silver bmws with the same license plate- made sure to keep our distance from each other on the highway


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[ELCID86]

Congrats. Safe travels.

[NYRhockey]

Made it safe and sound to Baltimore. Missed that zhp driving feeling so bad. Second leg tomorrow. Will post pictures late tomorrow


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[NYRhockey]

First issue already. Leaving hotel what I think is the coolant light came on. Pulled over to check the tank and it looks empty with the stick at the bottom of it. Immediately turned around to the hotel and now taking a cab to auto store to get some coolant


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[NYRhockey]

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[NYRhockey]

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[edwin.colo]

Bummer, I would ry to reach under the tank to see if it's wet. Maybe it's cracked?


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[NYRhockey]

To the eye everything looks dry. Am I able to check the level halfway through my trip or do I have to let the car cool off before opening the tank


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[hcbeck2689]

If you ad a lot of fluid in there make sure to bleed it. I didn't bleed it one time and my expansion tank cracked. Not sure if it was related but it seemed likely.


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[hcbeck2689]

Just look at this as your cars way of welcoming you back into an e46 haha.


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[NYRhockey]

Im 5 hrs from home in Baltimore so just filling and getting on the road. Will stop every hr or so to check


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[hcbeck2689]

Im 5 hrs from home in Baltimore so just filling and getting on the road. Will stop every hr or so to check


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Bleeding is very simple, takes no more than 1 minute. Good luck on the last leg [emoji1303]


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[san]

To the eye everything looks dry. Am I able to check the level halfway through my trip or do I have to let the car cool off before opening the tank


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It's better if u wait for it to cool down, just keep an eye on the coolant temp...


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[BMWCurves]

It's better if u wait for it to cool down, just keep an eye on the coolant temp...


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+1

You can also get a digital readout of the temperature on the small display in the gauge cluster, than relying on the temperature gauge. It does not require any additional software or anything. This is more "accurate" than the temperature gauge because it gives exact temperature numbers rather than a range of temperatures. If I recall correctly, the factory setting for "normal" operating temperature (i.e. the gauge reading straight up) according to the temperature gauge is 75-115 degrees celcius, which is way too broad in my opinion. The digital readout should be easier to monitor coolant temperature changes than the temperature gauge.

At any rate, to get the digital readout, you can follow this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjKt0ZQBV2U

[az3579]

+1

You can also get a digital readout of the temperature on the small display in the gauge cluster, than relying on the temperature gauge. It does not require any additional software or anything. This is more "accurate" than the temperature gauge because it gives exact temperature numbers rather than a range of temperatures. If I recall correctly, the factory setting for "normal" operating temperature (i.e. the gauge reading straight up) according to the temperature gauge is 75-115 degrees celcius, which is way too broad in my opinion. The digital readout should be easier to monitor coolant temperature changes than the temperature gauge.

At any rate, to get the digital readout, you can follow this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjKt0ZQBV2U
Or, I can code your temp gauge for accuracy. You're not far from me. ;)

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[BMWCurves]

Or, I can code your temp gauge for accuracy. You're not far from me. ;)

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That's definitely a better long term strategy. I just meant this as a stop gap until he got home.

[NYRhockey]

Finally home! The second leg went well, the car ran beautifully and the temp gauge did not move a millimeter. Car is now parked for the night and will take a look at the coolant level again in the morning. If it's low/dry again no way around it i'll start getting quotes for a full refresh on Monday morning.

The night in Baltimore was great. Stayed at the Marriott Waterfront and got a room on the 29th floor so beautiful view of the city and went out for a nice dinner at McCormick's and Schmicks. Pricey night, though. Upon getting to CT was able to meet up with BP for a few minutes before finally putting her down for the night.

Here are a couple of pictures while waiting to get serviced at the discount tire and the wife posing for one during a stop in a VA rest area

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[ELCID86]

Finally home! The second leg went well, the car ran beautifully and the temp gauge did not move a millimeter. Car is now parked for the night and will take a look at the coolant level again in the morning. If it's low/dry again no way around it i'll start getting quotes for a full refresh on Monday morning.

The night in Baltimore was great. Stayed at the Marriott Waterfront and got a room on the 29th floor so beautiful view of the city and went out for a nice dinner at McCormick's and Schmicks. Pricey night, though. Upon getting to CT was able to meet up with BP for a few minutes before finally putting her down for the night.

Here are a couple of pictures while waiting to get serviced at the discount tire and the wife posing for one during a stop in a VA rest area


Congrats. Glad you made it in spite of the little scare.

That view is a lot nicer than the one from my place ;-). Good choice!

[Vas]

Glad to hear you made it

[johnrando]

Congrats on getting the car and glad it made it home

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[WOLFN8TR]

Or, I can code your temp gauge for accuracy. You're not far from me. ;)

I recommend this. Thanks again BP!

Congrats on the ZHP!

[NYRhockey]

Thanks, guys. The scare was real being so far from home and not tech savvy at all, but we made it and now i can start taking care of things.


I recommend this. Thanks again BP!

Congrats on the ZHP!

Thanks. I will get together with BP again in the future and we can get this done :)

[BMWCurves]

Congrats on getting it home safely!

[san]

+1 glad you are back home safe and sound


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[danewilson77]

Good deal. Thanks for checking in.

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[NYRhockey]

I checked the coolant again this morning when cold and it was below the minimum, where the tip of the stick was about an inch from the top of the tank after i had filled it up to the max before departing. The garage floor was dry with no marks so it leaked during travel, not overnight.

I had told the seller about the issue when we left Baltimore and he said he thought it was this hose (he gave me a replacement one), so my questions to you folks are: 1) Could this be the cause. It's located in the front of the car towards the bottom of the engine bay, so it's hard to see from above. I believe this holds the coolant sensor the PPI made mention of. 2) When i do a coolant refresh, is this included as the parts that get changed by the shop?

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[san]

1. Yes it could be the cause
2. Yes it should be part of the cooling system refresh

If you are planning to buy parts for the cooling system then I would recommend buying them from fcpeuro as they offer lifetime warranty on their parts...

Also I would recommend buying BMW parts as parts made by other brands do not last as long. I think Vas had a bad experience with non BMW parts which were on the car when he bought it...


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[NYRhockey]

Thanks, San. I will be calling around this week to get different quotes on a full refresh, one of which will be the local BMW dealer, so hopefully they'd all use OEM or OEM-equivalent parts. What is the hose / part called?

[edwin.colo]

1) could be
2) yes, that's the lower cooling hose... usually it consists of upper/lower cooling hoses, water pump, thermostat, expansion tank, (some people do radiator, but with your miles probably overkill).

I would do the belts if they are dry rotted or cracked.


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[Sreten]

It's should be included. It's the lower radiator hose. I would suggest you do the complete cooling system overhaul.

Upper radiator hose - p/n 17127510952
Lower radiator hose - p/n 11531436408 (and small O ring seal for temp sensor, part # - 091158010)
Water pump - p/n 11517509985
Thermostat - p/n 11537509227
Expansion tank - p/n 17117573781
Blue BMW coolant - p/n 82141467704
I also like to use bleed screw from brass material p/n 17111712788 - http://www.rmeuropean.com/Products/17111712788-MFG230-V299.aspx

I like FCP or RMeuropean.

Here's a link for the whole kit from FCP.

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-cooling-system-overhaul-kit-e46-oem-e46coolkit?ads_cmpid=352576039&ads_adid=22972407319&ads_matchtype=&ads_network=g&ads_creative=85218275839&utm_term=&ads_targetid=pla-95712138425&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&ttv=2&gclid=Cj0KEQiAwrbEBRDqxqzMsrTGmogBEiQAeSE6Zfm8Umkm 6igrn75yuBUMREIAtlw73NlFJsEpo5Ui_e0aAmQo8P8HAQ

[NYRhockey]

did i read this right and the entire set of parts is $277.99? how long would it take a shop to do it? because about 18mths ago i got quoted $1K for the job, and if parts are only $300 then $700 in labor would be like 5-6hrs which seems long for someone who'd know what they are doing.

[John in VA]

did i read this right and the entire set of parts is $277.99? how long would it take a shop to do it? because about 18mths ago i got quoted $1K for the job, and if parts are only $300 then $700 in labor would be like 5-6hrs which seems long for someone who'd know what they are doing.

Doesn't sound ridiculous, but I'm glad I'm not the one paying! It's not a matter of "knowing what they're doing" - it's what the book times are for the jobs.
BMW dealers use BMW parts, not equivalents. Rein makes the hoses.

[edwin.colo]

Hey, I would strongly suggest you DIY... fairly simple project to do, won't take you but a Saturday morning/afternoon.
Lots and lots of write ups/videos out there.


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[BMWCurves]

It could take a couple of hours. If you get an estimate, ask for a break down in price of parts and labor and what their rates are.

A full parts list can be had below. Everything is the same as Sreten's list, with a few more items. Also, Sreten, I think you have the wrong upper radiator hose part number? It's one too many numbers I think.

Radiator (Behr) - 17119071518
Expansion tank - 17117573781
Expansion tank cap - E46 - 17117639022 (2.0 bar) or E30 - 17137639023 (1.4 bar)
Expansion tank mounting clamp - 17111707777
Water pump - 11517509985
Thermostat - 11537509227
Upper radiator hose - 17127510952
Lower radiator hose - 11531436408
Coolant temperature sensor/auxiliary fan switch - 13621433077
Coolant level sensor - 17137553919
Coolant - 82141467704

Other optional parts:

Water pump pulley - 11511436590
Hex bolt for water pump pulley (4x) - 07119904524
Expansion tank mounting bracket - 17111436250

I think my upper and lower radiator hoses are Rein, and I haven't had a problem with them, but others might disagree. Everything else is BMW except for the radiator (Behr). The radiator isn't necessarily necessary, nor are the sensors, but they're all "while you're in there" type items in my opinion. Also, I put the E30 expansion tank cap in there because it's lower pressure and there is a school of thought that having that will keep pressures in the cooling system down and extend the longevity/integrity of the system.

[az3579]

Thanks, San. I will be calling around this week to get different quotes on a full refresh, one of which will be the local BMW dealer, so hopefully they'd all use OEM or OEM-equivalent parts. What is the hose / part called?

Dealers use only OE parts, and give a 2 year warranty on parts and labor.

But, a cooling system is not hard to do. If you have a garage that we can throw some heat in and some space to work with, I can assist you with said maintenance.


did i read this right and the entire set of parts is $277.99? how long would it take a shop to do it? because about 18mths ago i got quoted $1K for the job, and if parts are only $300 then $700 in labor would be like 5-6hrs which seems long for someone who'd know what they are doing.

You definitely aren't going to find all the parts needed for $277.99. If you do, they're off brands... not sure I'd trust those.

[Sreten]

BMWCurves, you are right. It's corrected.

I also never had any problems with Rein either.



You definitely aren't going to find all the parts needed for $277.99. If you do, they're off brands... not sure I'd trust those.

Why not? That's the price for the kit from FCP. I would add few more things but that's about that price.

Only thing I wouldn't use there is Graf water pump. It looks badly welded and it started making noise 50 miles after I had it installed.
I usually go for Saleri which has composite impellers.

Shops make money selling you same parts at the higher price and a lot of them won't do the job if you provide the parts.

Like everybody said, try to DIY. It's not that hard and if somebody can help you even better.

[holyc0w]

But, a cooling system is not hard to do. If you have a garage that we can throw some heat in and some space to work with, I can assist you with said maintenance.

Sounds like the best option. That said I got quoted about $1000 for a refresh including radiator and a water pump using genuine BMW parts. That was one of the more reasonable estimates.

[slater]

you should have some traces of coolant (it dries white) on the top of the belly pan or around coolant hose connections (and the temp sensor in that hose)... that said, if it's leaking enough to be down in level again, it's entirely possible the system wasn't filled/bled correctly the last time. i would do a fill/bleed and then monitor.

[jonnyd330]

It's should be included. It's the lower radiator hose. I would suggest you do the complete cooling system overhaul.

Upper radiator hose - p/n 17127510952
Lower radiator hose - p/n 11531436408 (and small O ring seal for temp sensor, part # - 091158010)
Water pump - p/n 11517509985
Thermostat - p/n 11537509227
Expansion tank - p/n 17117573781
Blue BMW coolant - p/n 82141467704
I also like to use bleed screw from brass material p/n 17111712788 - http://www.rmeuropean.com/Products/17111712788-MFG230-V299.aspx

I like FCP or RMeuropean.

Here's a link for the whole kit from FCP.

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-cooling-system-overhaul-kit-e46-oem-e46coolkit?ads_cmpid=352576039&ads_adid=22972407319&ads_matchtype=&ads_network=g&ads_creative=85218275839&utm_term=&ads_targetid=pla-95712138425&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&ttv=2&gclid=Cj0KEQiAwrbEBRDqxqzMsrTGmogBEiQAeSE6Zfm8Umkm 6igrn75yuBUMREIAtlw73NlFJsEpo5Ui_e0aAmQo8P8HAQ

I'm in bed same boat picked up my sedan last month with 115k with a slight leak. It also has a bad thermostat. Is the oem pump recommended or aftermarket with a metal impeller?

Anyone in Florida wanna help me do a system refresh?

[Vas]

Do keep in mind that BMW does offer a 2 year warranty on parts as well.

My choice would be this

https://www.getbmwparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=MorePartInfo&PartID=774527&siteid=214672&catalogid=4462

[johnrando]

This is defintitely a DIY or at minimum, do the upper hoses yourself to save money. And, look into local independent mechanics.

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[Sockethead]

The thermostat and water pump are pretty easy to do.
No need for a metal impeller. The OEM pump has a composite impeller with a stainless steel sleeve on the shaft for extra support. They had a bad design way back in '99 or so and that's where everyone's paranoia comes from but that's ancient history now

[san]

Ya as Vas and BP have said dealers/BMW do offer a 2 year warranty but I don't think the cooling system is something you would change in 2 years.
I chose fcpeuro as they offer lifetime warranty, which for a cooling system makes sense IMO...


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[az3579]

Ya as Vas and BP have said dealers/BMW do offer a 2 year warranty but I don't think the cooling system is something you would change in 2 years.
I chose fcpeuro as they offer lifetime warranty, which for a cooling system makes sense IMO...


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This. Any OE parts I buy come from FCP for this reason. Heck, that's my first stop shop for ANY maintenance parts I buy.

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[oclvframe]

The thermostat and water pump are pretty easy to do.
No need for a metal impeller. The OEM pump has a composite impeller with a stainless steel sleeve on the shaft for extra support. They had a bad design way back in '99 or so and that's where everyone's paranoia comes from but that's ancient history now

Ha....yes...in the end it is all pretty easy to do...until you've had a bolt that holds the thermostat soak in coolant because of a leak and rust into the head.....then it's no bueno.

-r

[jonnyd330]

So I was looking at fcp and the kits all have aftermarket parts in them. Should I buy the full BMW kit from Ecs instead to keep it oem?


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[san]

So I was looking at fcp and the kits all have aftermarket parts in them. Should I buy the full BMW kit from Ecs instead to keep it oem?


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I would stick with fcpeuro for their lifetime warranty... you can make you own kit using part numbers and I believe they price match too (not too sure, never had to)...


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[edwin.colo]

I bought the FCP kit and it has worked great... rein hoses, Graf metal pump, etc. All working great with no issues.

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[Sreten]

I wouldn't use Graf water pump again. With all of those weldings it just looks shitty made.
Mine started squeaking between 50 and 100 miles after the install. Sent it back under warranty and got Saleri w/pump with composite impeller and had no problems so far.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giI8jTyQcsw

Few more examples:

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1858544-GRAF-Water-Pump-Failure!

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1540933-E36-Graf-Waterpump-fails-at-5000-miles

[NYRhockey]

here's the first estimate. Yowzers

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[edwin.colo]

here's the first estimate. Yowzers

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Wow, that's ridiculous. I say DIY. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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[Vas]

Pass

[Sockethead]

They are probably using a job rate book but the water pump and thermostat can easily be done in half that time

[NYRhockey]

Yea, that is pretty obscene. At those rates i'd probably hold off on water pump / thermostat since mileage is low and do that next time around.

[az3579]

Wow, that's ridiculous. I say DIY. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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They are probably using a job rate book but the water pump and thermostat can easily be done in half that time


What these guys said. It shouldn't take more than maybe an hour to do a water pump, and that's taking your time.

[san]

Yea, that is pretty obscene. At those rates i'd probably hold off on water pump / thermostat since mileage is low and do that next time around.

I wouldn't recommend that. If the thermostat fails you'd be ok because it would just over cool the coolant but if the water pump fails you are pretty much stranded...


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[edwin.colo]

If you don't feel a DIY is in your wheel house, there has got to be someone on the forum that lives close by that I'm sure would be willing to help a fellow member out. You get to see it get done and learn how to. I guarantee that you will not hesitate to do it the next time around.
I would help but I'm in Eastern NC.


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[az3579]

If you don't feel a DIY is in your wheel house, there has got to be someone on the forum that lives close by that I'm sure would be willing to help a fellow member out. You get to see it get done and learn how to. I guarantee that you will not hesitate to do it the next time around.
I would help but I'm in Eastern NC.


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Already offered. I live less than an hour away. :thumbsup
I think he wants the comfort of a labor and parts warranty from a shop, which is probably why he's getting quotes.

[NYRhockey]

If you don't feel a DIY is in your wheel house, there has got to be someone on the forum that lives close by that I'm sure would be willing to help a fellow member out. You get to see it get done and learn how to. I guarantee that you will not hesitate to do it the next time around.
I would help but I'm in Eastern NC.


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I've been watching videos the past couple of days and yes, it's out of my league. In dancing terms i have two left feet and no tools so that's why i can't venture on it. BP has already offered to help but all i can offer on my end is beer and food since my technical skills are non existent.

[NYRhockey]

Already offered. I live less than an hour away. :thumbsup
I think he wants the comfort of a labor and parts warranty from a shop, which is probably why he's getting quotes.

If you're willing to help out a n00b i'll take you on it, but beware that while i'm willing to listen and learn i go into this with zero skills where i can't even change my oil :) you'd also need to tell me what type of tools i need so i can get them prior.

[edwin.colo]

Already offered. I live less than an hour away. :thumbsup
I think he wants the comfort of a labor and parts warranty from a shop, which is probably why he's getting quotes.


If you're willing to help out a n00b i'll take you on it, but beware that while i'm willing to listen and learn i go into this with zero skills where i can't even change my oil :) you'd also need to tell me what type of tools i need so i can get them prior.

There you go... I like it, people helping people.
Buy from FCP to get the parts warranty.
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[John in VA]

If you're willing to help out a n00b i'll take you on it, but beware that while i'm willing to listen and learn i go into this with zero skills where i can't even change my oil :) you'd also need to tell me what type of tools i need so i can get them prior.
We all started the same way - few were born with the skills! With the DIY write-ups & videos available these days it's much easier than when I first started wrenching on my 2002 37 years ago!

[az3579]

I've been watching videos the past couple of days and yes, it's out of my league. In dancing terms i have two left feet and no tools so that's why i can't venture on it. BP has already offered to help but all i can offer on my end is beer and food since my technical skills are non existent.


If you're willing to help out a n00b i'll take you on it, but beware that while i'm willing to listen and learn i go into this with zero skills where i can't even change my oil :) you'd also need to tell me what type of tools i need so i can get them prior.


I've got the tools we need. We can keep a list of what tools were used and we can assemble a basic tool kit listing that you can purchase for future use.
All I need is a garage that has the capability of being heated. Do you have one of those? :)

[jonnyd330]

My garage is warm :thumbup but it's kinda a long drive for you. :facepalm

[az3579]

My garage is warm [emoji106] but it's kinda a long drive for you. :facepalm
Little too far lol
The drive to Ohio for one of the Reunions nearly killed me and that was only maybe 60% of the distance! lol

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[san]

Little too far lol
The drive to Ohio for one of the Reunions nearly killed me and that was only maybe 60% of the distance! lol

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Isn't Guy's place even further away than Dane's place?


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[az3579]

Isn't Guy's place even further away than Dane's place?


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Yes... that trip was broken into two days.

[NYRhockey]

I've got the tools we need. We can keep a list of what tools were used and we can assemble a basic tool kit listing that you can purchase for future use.
All I need is a garage that has the capability of being heated. Do you have one of those? :)

28931

i'll PM you

[Vas]

BP for the win.

[az3579]

http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28931&stc=1



Love that guy - hilarious!

[jonnyd330]

So did you end up diy your cooling system? What kit did you buy?


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[NYRhockey]

Sort of, in that it was not done at a shop but not really "myself" as much as BP being awesome and doing it.

Didn't buy a pre-packaged kit but rather built a shopping car at FCP Euro. These are the parts that were replaced:

Upper and lower radiator hose (with fan switch)
Expansion tank and cap
Thermostat / housing
Water pump
Drive / AC Belt
Coolant sensor
Bleed screw (metal)

[jonnyd330]

Sort of, in that it was not done at a shop but not really "myself" as much as BP being awesome and doing it.

Didn't buy a pre-packaged kit but rather built a shopping car at FCP Euro. These are the parts that were replaced:

Upper and lower radiator hose (with fan switch)
Expansion tank and cap
Thermostat / housing
Water pump
Drive / AC Belt
Coolant sensor
Bleed screw (metal)

Did you do all OEM parts? Which water pump did you do?

[Vas]

Sort of, in that it was not done at a shop but not really "myself" as much as BP being awesome and doing it.

Didn't buy a pre-packaged kit but rather built a shopping car at FCP Euro. These are the parts that were replaced:

Upper and lower radiator hose (with fan switch)
Expansion tank and cap
Thermostat / housing
Water pump
Drive / AC Belt
Coolant sensor
Bleed screw (metal)

Nice job,

[NYRhockey]

Did you do all OEM parts? Which water pump did you do?

Here is the list with brands used

Upper and lower radiator hose (with fan switch) - Rein
Expansion tank and cap - BMW
Thermostat / housing - Wahler
Water pump - BMW
Drive / AC Belt - Contitech
Coolant sensor - BMW
Bleed screw (metal) - Forget, but got it at ECS tuning actually