Intakes for my 03 ZHP...

[Zaks]

I'm planning to get an intake soon and wondering if anyone has experience with the cosmo racing one from Canada... https://www.cosmoracing.com/productinfo.asp?cid=124&pid=1121

Also looking at Injen short ram but looks like the heatshield is better/nicer on the Cosmo.

Thoughts?

Ivan

[slater]

interesting. their website is.... also interesting.

looks like it has the benefits of the aFe but with potentially no intake boot kink. hmmm.

[Aeternalis]

Would be nice if I could get one with a black filter element and black silicone.

The site makes me feel like I've gone back in time to 2003. Lol.

[NoVAphotog]

Stock intake is best intake...not a joke. GruppeM or leave it alone. Naturally aspirated engines...no gain whatsoever from any of them. Klaus and Franz designed stock intake to match air paths better than afe and similar can.

[UdubBadger]

Afe stage 2 (the one with the lid) best option for increased airflow.

If you revamp the stock one that's a nice one too. Just swapout the charge pipe for one without ripples in it.


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[UdubBadger]

Stock intake is best intake...not a joke. GruppeM or leave it alone. Naturally aspirated engines...no gain whatsoever from any of them. Klaus and Franz designed stock intake to match air paths better than afe and similar can.

Yeah you're right, every intake manufacturer has fudged those dyno numbers that show gains lol

Cmon, there's benefit to smoother surfaces for outer edge of airflow and less bending and such.

No it's not night and day by any means but it's there.


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[Vas]

Leave the stock intake on and spend your money elsewhere. All aftermarket units besides Dinan ( similar to factory unit ) look like they do not belong under the hood IMO

[NoVAphotog]

Yeah you're right, every intake manufacturer has fudged those dyno numbers that show gains lol
Cmon, there's benefit to smoother surfaces for outer edge of airflow and less bending and such.
No it's not night and day by any means but it's there.


Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...it's a safe bet all things being equal our butt dynos wouldn't notice a thing relative to the cost outlay. My feeling with those intakes is there are other things maintenance wise to do that offer real benefit in performance or peace of mind categories. VANOS seals, DISA rebuild, to name a couple. GruppeM is exception because you actively hear the pleasurable induction noise and has benefit to autox/track situations (hearing it through helmet/wind) it's worthless all the same from a performance standpoint.

[NoVAphotog]

Leave the stock intake on and spend your money elsewhere.

+1

[slater]

GruppeM is exception because you actively hear the pleasurable induction noise and has benefit to autox/track situations (hearing it through helmet/wind) it's worthless all the same from a performance standpoint.

i like my aFe intake purely for the noise aspect. it was worth the money i spent on it, and i will likely buy one of those cosmo ones listed above for the Touring project, simply because i love the induction noise. the smiles are worth it. :)

[UdubBadger]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...it's a safe bet all things being equal our butt dynos wouldn't notice a thing relative to the cost outlay. My feeling with those intakes is there are other things maintenance wise to do that offer real benefit in performance or peace of mind categories. VANOS seals, DISA rebuild, to name a couple. GruppeM is exception because you actively hear the pleasurable induction noise and has benefit to autox/track situations (hearing it through helmet/wind) it's worthless all the same from a performance standpoint.

Well no arguing that but that's a different point and pretty subjective.

The simple fact is there are proven dyno numbers to back that most intake systems offer some kind of power gain.

Is it a bandage on a head wound if your vanos or disa's are failing causing power loss, absolutely. Anything else though is purely opinionated.


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[NoVAphotog]

Well no arguing that but that's a different point and pretty subjective.

The simple fact is there are proven dyno numbers to back that most intake systems offer some kind of power gain.

Is it a bandage on a head wound if your vanos or disa's are failing causing power loss, absolutely. Anything else though is purely opinionated.


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True, true. :conversation

[holyc0w]

Afe stage 2 (the one with the lid) best option for increased airflow.

If you revamp the stock one that's a nice one too. Just swapout the charge pipe for one without ripples in it.


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That would be the stage 1. I'm not sure why they call it that when they claim larger gains on the stage 1 and it's priced higher.


i like my aFe intake purely for the noise aspect. it was worth the money i spent on it

Same, though my price point would be closer to the $250 and under, maybe ~$350 for the GruppeM

[san]

Don't buy an intake expecting performance benefits, buy it for the induction noise.


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[slater]

Same, though my price point would be closer to the $250 and under, maybe ~$350 for the GruppeM

agreed. i was fortunate enough to pick up my aFe stage 1 used, for $250CAD. :)

[UdubBadger]

Don't buy an intake expecting performance benefits, buy it for the induction noise.


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Not true, airflow increase is needed for proper tuning. If you tune a car on a stock intake filter the gains aren't as apparent.


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[UdubBadger]

That would be the stage 1. I'm not sure why they call it that when they claim larger gains on the stage 1 and it's priced higher.



Same, though my price point would be closer to the $250 and under, maybe ~$350 for the GruppeM

Yeah my bad... I forgot they are flip flopped.

It's because of less heat soak. The single mass ITB on it is why I prefer that one over the rest of the intakes. That and the price.


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[san]

Not true, airflow increase is needed for proper tuning. If you tune a car on a stock intake filter the gains aren't as apparent.


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Well I wasn't talking about tuning or calibration, I was just talking about replacing the stock intake with an aftermarket option only... I'm not saying it's impossible I'm just saying don't expect miracles by just swapping intakes...


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[johnrando]

Bmw also designed their own Perf Intake which would indicate that there are better ones than just stock.

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[UdubBadger]

Exactly Rando


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[Zaks]

Ahh crap, I started another intake thread :). I'm aware of the intake pros/cons and what to expect, just wanted to see if anyone has experience with this specific one in terms of fitment, filter quality, etc.

In any case, regarding the Vanos and Disa, I assume you guys are talking about the Besian Systems and German Auto solutions disa fixes? Those should be done this winter asap.


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[johnrando]

Yup, Besian and GAS work great.

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[Zaks]

An update for anyone interested in the Cosmo Racing intake... I ended up buying it and it was around $220 shipped to Chicago. The heatshield was a great fit and I really like the coverage. The oem duct fits in perfectly and everything lines up as it should. The sound is great and I imagine comparable to most similar intakes out there.

I didn't want an oiled filter so I ended up purchasing an AFE dry filter (takeda TF-9027D) for $55 shipped. This made me happy but I didn't like the position of the filter, so I got a 45 degree silicone hose 3.5" and cut it down to size. This pushed the filter to where I wanted it and now I'm very happy with everything.

Total cost was around $285 and while this is very close to the cheaper AFE intake, I think the Cosmo heatshield has more coverage so possibly cooler air around the filter. This is probably very unimportant, but my preference is the Cosmo heatshield based on photos I've seen of Afe, K&N, etc.


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[Zaks]

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[edwin.colo]

Nice intake man... I was about to order that intake but went with the injen one that comes with dry filter. It sounds and looks great.

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