RSM fail X2

[Sockethead]

When I swapped out my Bilsteins, Both RSMs where punched through. These were the Meyle heavy duty ones ( from several years ago when they were still good. Looks like they aren't any better than OEM.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160207/24bc362e034e928aed2cc1ea95e1aafa.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160207/e4d64147d97a9d3cbd0a337651101401.jpg

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So when I put the Konis back I though hell I'm going to run these fully soft so I'll put my original OEMs back in.... they should be ok for a while.... I got 8 miles and this happened:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160207/b65acd64b86cb9298506afb268e01958.jpg

The whole rubber grommet punched through
Luckily were at the BMW dealer picking up some oil when it happened... unlucky that they didn't have the part in stock. Went over to Kristen's Acura dealer next door, pulled the shock and limped the car home. I have RE RSMs on order

RE style RSMs are the way to go or any others that are designed similarly. BTW TC Kline are the REs with red anodization and a higher price tag

[Vas]

I'm scared to look at the ones on the wife's zhp. Got a feeling they are like yours

Rouge rsm are the way to go.

[BMWCurves]

When I swapped out my Bilsteins, Both RSMs where punched through. These were the Meyle heavy duty ones ( from several years ago when they were still good. Looks like they aren't any better than OEM.

So when I put the Konis back I though hell I'm going to run these fully soft so I'll put my original OEMs back in.... they should be ok for a while.... I got 8 miles and this happened:

The whole rubber grommet punched through
Luckily were at the BMW dealer picking up some oil when it happened... unlucky that they didn't have the part in stock. Went over to Kristen's Acura dealer next door, pulled the shock and limped the car home. I have RE RSMs on order

RE style RSMs are the way to go or any others that are designed similarly. BTW TC Kline are the REs with red anodization and a higher price tag

The original mount just seems like a poor design, along with "reinforced" versions that are build the same way just with slightly more robust parts. Glad you were able to limp the car home. And interesting info on the TC Kline RSMs.

[Sockethead]

I think the problem is that there is no metal sandwiched in between the bushings, it's relying solely on rubber to keep it from punching through...

[Vas]

Pic of the rogue rsmhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160207/f64d67c1bc9b6e72e3530fde5b639761.jpg

[ELCID86]

Wow. Rob. I've not seen a fail like that. Glad you and the car are ok. I went Rogue on mine. Probably need to on Colin's too. He's due for suspension refresh.


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[johnrando]

Glad nothing worse happened, eeesh!

[rguti153]

Can the rogue rsm be transfer to any coil application ?

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[ELCID86]

Can the rogue rsm be transfer to any coil application ?

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Coil as in springs? It's just the mount in the trunk where the shock attaches. Here is what mine looked like.

https://vimeo.com/154501499


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - an e46fanatic

[Sockethead]

Yes they work with any shock with 10mm or 12mm shaft.
If you have externally adjustable shocks they have a 12mm shaft.
Rear coilovers still use a conventional shock so they'll work with those too.
The part number is the same for both. You just need to remove the inner sleeve for the 12mm shaft

[cakM3]

Damn....I replaced my failed BC RSMs with the OEM M3 RSMs in my ZHP and now after reading this thread....I'm thinking about getting two sets of RE RSMs, one for each car....


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[Vas]

Damn....I replaced my failed BC RSMs with the OEM M3 RSMs in my ZHP and now after reading this thread....I'm thinking about getting two sets of RE RSMs, one for each car....


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Good idea.

[Just_George]

Group buy??

[BADCLOWN]

Wouldnt be a bad idea to look into, I can email them. Are the rogue front/rear strut mounts poly or just heavy duty? Really don't want to sacrifice ride quality anymore than it will with the coils going on the car. I definitely need some sort of new strut mounts to go with my coils.

[Just_George]

No poly in them is my understanding, just a better design. I'd be in for 2 sets if we can do a group buy. Thanks for your efforts Jacob!

[BADCLOWN]

Ahh, right on. Well I'll shoot them an email as well tomorrow and see what they have to say.

[slater]

the rogue ones are nice, i have them in my car. obey the torque specs for the shock shaft nut.

my OEM RSMs had around 135K miles when they came out - they were in surprisingly good shape.

[Sockethead]

my OEM RSMs had around 135K miles when they came out - they were in surprisingly good shape.

That's what I thought too. Mine only had about 50k on them.
Here's what the one that popped out looks like...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160208/bc4eb3e0a2c2d5465962aef118408341.jpg

Looks pretty good, right? I discovered after I got it off the shock that it's completely split around the center.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160208/17a2c1529a4ad3db40bcc750c9daf033.jpg

[Sockethead]

Wow. Rob. I've not seen a fail like that. Glad you and the car are ok. I went Rogue on mine. Probably need to on Colin's too. He's due for suspension refresh.




Glad nothing worse happened, eeesh!

When it happened, I knew right away something was wrong. It makes pretty loud sound to let you know it turned to shit....
What was surprising is just how strange and unstable the car was missing one shock.... that whole corner felt loose: lots of oscillation in every direction.

[rguti153]

Yes they work with any shock with 10mm or 12mm shaft.
If you have externally adjustable shocks they have a 12mm shaft.
Rear coilovers still use a conventional shock so they'll work with those too.

EDIT: Just wanted to be clear, the 10mm and 12mm are 2 different part numbers. Most of us will be using the 10mm
Pair these with bc coil overs sounds good to me

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[slater]

That's what I thought too. Mine only had about 50k on them.
Here's what the one that popped out looks like...

Looks pretty good, right? I discovered after I got it off the shock that it's completely split around the center.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160208/17a2c1529a4ad3db40bcc750c9daf033.jpg

wow, good pic. i didn't dissect mine. they are gone now.



When it happened, I knew right away something was wrong. It makes pretty loud sound to let you know it turned to shit....
What was surprising is just how strange and unstable the car was missing one shock.... that whole corner felt loose: lots of oscillation in every direction.

yeah, no doubt it was! wowzers.

[BADCLOWN]

FYI: i did send an email to RE Super Bowl night and haven't heard anything back from them yet either way.

[Sockethead]

I'm still waiting for my mounts to arrive from RE. I thought coming from North Jersey to South Jersey, they'd be here by now...

[NoVAphotog]

FYI: i did send an email to RE Super Bowl night and haven't heard anything back from them yet either way.

Thanks for the effort, hopefully they were just watching the game and will get back to you.

[Sockethead]

FYI: RE RSM are on backorder from RE... at least 2 weeks. I had to get mine from Bimmerworld, they have plenty in stock.

[BADCLOWN]

Another FYI: I haven't heard anything back from RE. Probably not going to happen for a GB

[Dylanj17]

Same just happened to me this winter, I don't remember the brand but I purchased a set off of turner that had a lifetime warranty to replace the OEM mounts. My OEM mounts busted after hitting a huge unavoidable pothole. Gotta love all the rain down in san diego a few weeks ago

[Sockethead]

Another FYI: I haven't heard anything back from RE. Probably not going to happen for a GB

I asked over there at RE, this the response:

Robert, unfortunately these are a lost leader for us. These are the small, inexpensive items to get you in the door and introduced to all of our products. This means that the margins on these are super thin.

Regards,
Mark Sinclair
Rogue Engineering • 201-783-8600

Fair enough from a business viewpoint...

[BADCLOWN]

How did you get that response?

(their answer makes sense)

[Sockethead]

I talked to him about why I hadn't heard or seen my order. They sent me an email about the RSM being on backorder but it went to my spam folder. he gladly gave me a refund and told me who might have them in stock. So I thought while I had his ear, I'd ask about the group buy...

[BADCLOWN]

Gotcha, well thanks for asking. I'll have to check my spam folder, maybe their response made it in there

[Aeternalis]

Do the Rogue mounts have any real advantages over the aluminum ones that Turner sells?
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3666-rear-shock-mounts-rsm-hp-aluminumrubber-e30-e36-e46-z3-z4-pair.aspx

[Vas]

Rouge Mounts are mounted upside down. So you do not have to go back into the trunk again to remove the shocks.

[Sockethead]

The TMS mounts are polyurethane from their description. You'll get a little more road noise transfer with those. I can't tell how they are designed from that single picture...

[Sockethead]

This is why the RE RSM work. There is metal sandwiched between two rubber bushings and two washers on each end making it impossible for the shock to punch through.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160216/b48e1bff78866e88b79e19d4f5534c06.jpg


http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160216/865afc69c98cc6f78c61bf978d06c2ee.jpg

My order from Bimmerworld came with a pack of gummy bears...
Nice! Lol

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160216/ce4733e6534a63659a69430e9f5125f2.jpg

[BADCLOWN]

I need to order those, quality product it looks to be

[BMWCurves]

Nice, mine came with Swedish Fish if I remember correctly!

[danewilson77]

I need to order those, quality product it looks to be
Agree

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[Sockethead]

I got the RE RSMs installed last night. Now I can forget about RSM issues
You can definitely remove them without removing the interior. My recommendation is to put a little dab of silicone sealant or whatever you have laying around on the reinforcement plate to hold it in place and keep it from pushing up into the body when swapping out the shocks.

Here's the OEM mount minus the rubber. You can see why it fails: nothing but rubber to hold it in place

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160219/ceb6de46466baf2c1a0e208977685b02.jpg

The RE mount bolts from the bottom but you can mount it the traditional way if you have a rear strut bar

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160219/45d87adc3d48ea9e5a1e1eecba9d7ff5.jpg

I used antisieze on the bolts because that area is going see water

[Sockethead]

Also, I want to let everyone know that I made a mistake in an earlier post regarding the shaft size: the part number is the SAME for 10mm & 12mm shafts you just remove the inner sleeve for the 12 mm shaft. I edited the previous post to reflect that.

Sorry for the misinformation!