Found Gruppe M replacement filter - Should I buy it?

[san]

I bought a Gruppe M intake for my zhp about 6 months ago and after I got it, realized that the filter needs to replaced (the seller did significantly reduce the price, ended up paying $60). So I started searching since and finally found the right one (I think) in AUSTRALIA!

Here is the link - http://www.xposed.com.au/k-n-air-filter-rf-3301a.html

Shipping included it costs about $192 USD.

So the question I would like to ask the Mafia is, should I take the plunge?

The filter housing is in OK shape. Thanks!

[wertyu78]

I bought a Gruppe M intake for my zhp about 6 months ago and after I got it, realized that the filter needs to replaced (the seller did significantly reduce the price, ended up paying $60). So I started searching since and finally found the right one (I think) in AUSTRALIA!

Here is the link - http://www.xposed.com.au/k-n-air-filter-rf-3301a.html

Shipping included it costs about $192 USD.

So the question I would like to ask the Mafia is, should I take the plunge?

The filter housing is in OK shape. Thanks!


I called K&N last year with the PN handy and was almost successful in ordering the filter for $25 + shipping. As the rep was getting ready to take my CC info, he noticed that the parts file had a note that said "do not sell to the public".

There's a lot of markup in these, and I think GruppeM is getting most of it....

[san]

I called K&N last year with the PN handy and was almost successful in ordering the filter for $25 + shipping. As the rep was getting ready to take my CC info, he noticed that the parts file had a note that said "do not sell to the public".

There's a lot of markup in these, and I think GruppeM is getting most of it....

So did you find any other source to buy the filter from??

I actually sent an email to gruppe m USA twice and heard no response from them. This is the best I could find.


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[wertyu78]

So did you find any other source to buy the filter from??

I actually sent an email to gruppe m USA twice and heard no response from them. This is the best I could find.


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Negative, still running the old filter. As we say in the south, 'Aint care.

[az3579]

Why does your old filter need to be replaced?

[WOLFN8TR]

$192 for a filter! [emoji51]

[ryankokesh]

Hot damn that's an expensive filter. I just keep cleaning mine :dunno

[san]

Why does your old filter need to be replaced?

The filter is almost see through, I don't think it would filter anything... The material between meshing is almost gone... Il try to get a picture of it...


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[san]

Why does your old filter need to be replaced?

Here is the picture -

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[ELCID86]

Do they have a warranty? K&N is lifetime, right?


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - an e46fanatic

[az3579]

Here is the picture -

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Based on that pic, it looks fine to me, man. Here's mine. I just cleaned and reoiled it so it hasn't been reinstalled yet. Held it up to the light...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160122/3b187378dd08c7055bc2a27b0a044307.jpg


Keep in mind, this is a single bulb ceiling light, not the sun as yours was photographed.

You're going to see light through there. If you couldn't, then air wouldn't be able to pass through! Just be sure to properly clean and oil the filter and you shouldn't have any problems. If your isn't physically damaged in any way, I wouldn't hesitate to use it.

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[ryankokesh]

Yeah, think mine pretty much looks like that too.

That's a great question about a warranty, though. They claim to have a "million mile warranty". But it sounds like they'll just say you didn't comply with the terms. Worth trying, though!

http://www.knfilters.com/warranty.htm

[ELCID86]

I sent one in and they replaced it. It was on a previous car. I was chastised a bit for cleaning it too frequently. I guess it's supposed to get pretty dang dirty before you do.


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - an e46fanatic

[san]

Based on that pic, it looks fine to me, man. Here's mine. I just cleaned and reoiled it so it hasn't been reinstalled yet. Held it up to the light...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160122/3b187378dd08c7055bc2a27b0a044307.jpg


Keep in mind, this is a single bulb ceiling light, not the sun as yours was photographed.

You're going to see light through there. If you couldn't, then air wouldn't be able to pass through! Just be sure to properly clean and oil the filter and you shouldn't have any problems. If your isn't physically damaged in any way, I wouldn't hesitate to use it.

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Yeah, think mine pretty much looks like that too.

That's a great question about a warranty, though. They claim to have a "million mile warranty". But it sounds like they'll just say you didn't comply with the terms. Worth trying, though!

http://www.knfilters.com/warranty.htm


I sent one in and they replaced it. It was on a previous car. I was chastised a bit for cleaning it too frequently. I guess it's supposed to get pretty dang dirty before you do.


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - an e46fanatic

BP and Ryan, You guys have given me the confidence to try the filter out...

Shawn, will also see if I'm as lucky as you...

Thanks!! [emoji4]


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[ryankokesh]

:thumbsup


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[BMWCurves]

BP and Ryan, You guys have given me the confidence to try the filter out...

Shawn, will also see if I'm as lucky as you...

Thanks!! [emoji4]

Good luck, let us know how the warranty claim turns out.

[san]

Good luck, let us know how the warranty claim turns out.

:thumbsup


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[WOLFN8TR]

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[san]

Update: k&n basically said since they make the filters for gruppe m they can't sell it to me and I should contact gruppe m directly if I want a replacement

So il just use the existing filter as BP and Ryan said it looked OK...


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[QC_ZHP]

Mine was/is destroyed. I had to take it out and swap my stock box back in. Really hope a viable replacement pops up sometime, because $100+ for a filter sucks for the lack of a better term.

[fw_fw]

If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I highly suspect that there is another filter that K&N makes for another application that is identical to this one. It doesn't make financial sense for K&N to make such a extremely low-volume one-off filter....

[san]

If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I highly suspect that there is another filter that K&N makes for another application that is identical to this one. It doesn't make financial sense for K&N to make such a extremely low-volume one-off filter....

You're right, there isn't any other k&n filter that is identical in dimensions at least


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[az3579]

Mine was/is destroyed. I had to take it out and swap my stock box back in. Really hope a viable replacement pops up sometime, because $100+ for a filter sucks for the lack of a better term.

I'd be hard pressed to believe it when someone says a K&N filter is "destroyed"... what was wrong with yours?
They're some thick and durable pieces, so I'm wondering what on earth could have happened to destroy one. I'm curious what's wrong with yours!

[QC_ZHP]

I'd be hard pressed to believe it when someone says a K&N filter is "destroyed"... what was wrong with yours?
They're some thick and durable pieces, so I'm wondering what on earth could have happened to destroy one. I'm curious what's wrong with yours!

I'll snap some pics in daylight, but essentially I went to go clean it a couple months back and as I'm cleaning, all the foam/filter is coming off with it. It's basically just the mesh wire now. I did buy it used but I've always been on top of cleaning it. Who knows. I'd love to have back on the car but no way am I putting it on as is and I have a lot better places on the car to put the $100+ towards at the moment.

[az3579]

I'll snap some pics in daylight, but essentially I went to go clean it a couple months back and as I'm cleaning, all the foam/filter is coming off with it. It's basically just the mesh wire now. I did buy it used but I've always been on top of cleaning it. Who knows. I'd love to have back on the car but no way am I putting it on as is and I have a lot better places on the car to put the $100+ towards at the moment.

Holy crap. It must have been run dry as hell by the previous owners or something. I don't know if that'll do it, but that's my guess. :dunno

[QC_ZHP]

Finally snapped a pic this morning. There's no filter left! It all washed out when I cleaned it. Must be why I was able to buy it so easily. Glad I was able to catch it though. Just stinks going from the gruppe M sound to stock. Oh well.

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[san]

Finally snapped a pic this morning. There's no filter left! It all washed out when I cleaned it. Must be why I was able to buy it so easily. Glad I was able to catch it though. Just stinks going from the gruppe M sound to stock. Oh well.

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Wow that is really bad

[ELCID86]

Mosquito net.


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - anonymous

[QC_ZHP]

Mosquito net.


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - anonymous

Thats about all its good for at the moment! $100 for a filter...sheesh.

[ELCID86]

Hee hee.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/0052d9331b54f53b4999d6b5252542d1.jpg


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - anonymous

[san]

Hee hee.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/0052d9331b54f53b4999d6b5252542d1.jpg


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - anonymous

:rofl

[danewilson77]

Thats about all its good for at the moment! $100 for a filter...sheesh.
Please post link to $100 filter.

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[QC_ZHP]

Hee hee.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/0052d9331b54f53b4999d6b5252542d1.jpg


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - anonymous

Right in the feels Shawn.


Please post link to $100 filter.

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*$200

[danewilson77]

Ahhh.... $200. Can I have the link now?

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[san]

Ahhh.... $200. Can I have the link now?

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http://www.xposed.com.au/k-n-air-filter-rf-3301a.html

The cost is in AUD... So $conversion+shipping+PayPal fees should be about $210 USD

[rguti153]

Just clean the one I have and oil . What's yall opinion in the condition of it http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160403/5e29b73f41f9948f2383c7cef191fdf1.jpg

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[QC_ZHP]

Alot better than mine lol.

I think its looks to be in decent shape.

[rguti153]

Alot better than mine lol.

I think its looks to be in decent shape.
I hope so lol .

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[BMWCurves]

Anyone kept up with this or found a cheaper filter?

[san]

Anyone kept up with this or found a cheaper filter?

I searched for more than 6 months and this was the only options I could find... I contacted K&N as well and they said they don't/can't sell them...


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[BMWCurves]

I searched for more than 6 months and this was the only options I could find... I contacted K&N as well and they said they don't/can't sell them...


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Sigh. So strange they won't sell it direct. $200 is a ridiculous price for an air filter, even if it's supposed to last 50k miles between cleanings.

[san]

Sigh. So strange they won't sell it direct. $200 is a ridiculous price for an air filter, even if it's supposed to last 50k miles between cleanings.

Yup it's quite pricey, but I bought it because I got the intake with a bad filter for $60 and even after paying $200 for the filter alone it ended up being about half the price these intakes go for...


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[holyc0w]

I believe this place also sells the filter
https://www.nengun.com/gruppe-m/kn-replacement-filter

[bimmerteknik]

post the part number for the gruppe M filter please


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[GreatFrog]

RF-3301A

[Aeternalis]

Gotta hand it to Gruppe M for finding a way to keep their intakes making money for them.

$150-200+ for an air filter is just asinine to me. Sucks you guys you can't buy them directly from K&N for a better price. :(