BMW 330 ZHPs Produced (Population)?

[romanred62]

Does anyone know how many ZHP's were produced. I've looked around a little and couldn't find any numbers.

Note: see Frequently Asked Questions about E46 BMW 330 ZHP here (http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?1789-Frequently-Asked-Questions-%28FAQ%29-About-the-BMW-E46-330-ZHP-Performance-Package-Option).

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Does anyone know how many ZHP's were produced. I've looked around a little and couldn't find any numbers.

Nope. I have tried to get that information. Doesn't exist in public. BMW, if it wanted to, could likely give someone that information. If we were writing a book, we could likely get it.

[danewilson77]

I was thinking the same the other day. I am writing a book.....can i haz?

[Alphatek45]

Ive wondered if this info was available myself. Never searched though, guess its not worth it. There has to be a CCA member that is "on the inside" that can get this info.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I know a well-respected BMW historian. He tells me that you have to get an insider to run the numbers by option code.

[gr330zhp]

I was just wondering this today.

Clubsports also probably would have to be thrown into the number, no?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Perhaps. But are those clubsports called ZHPs?

[danewilson77]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooope!

I would only want the ZHP data.

[3ZHP]

I have always wanted to know how rare these great cars really are too. I am one of the early second generation owners and have had her for about 4 years at this point. It’s a 2003 and I got it 35 months old. I’ve watched the interest grow on these as I knew it would. My belief of the first generation owners was, they had a cool looking car and that was about it. I also believe that most of them went out on lease to be turned in for the next great thing on the market. These were short leases 24 or 30 months. I’m sure we’re getting up in the generations on these especially with the new interest I saw in my research. We need to add a generation pole to this, it could be very interesting. Anyhow,

Recently I came across the ZHP owner circle on e46fanarics.com and threw all of the listings into a Excel file and did some calculations and this is how it went from there. …

Full posting including PDF of the final summation

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=548352&page=35

“With all of your help I spent the last week gathering the info contained in this ZHP Owners Circle form (the largest count out there) and doing some analysis. I used this data by state in a comparison of ZHPs per state. I believe my results are very close to the closest logical answer I have ever found. "Two E46 330I Performance Packages option Code OZHP were allocated to each BMW dealership in the United States, all others needed to be special ordered."

With my calculations, my results are an average of .851 per dealer over the four production years. If this thread has a quarter for the total population, it's pretty close.

I have also broken down the thread data total of 381 ZHPs into; year, series and color. Note, that data is slightly skewed because the cars residing out of the US part of the final results but part of the data used. "

[Marcus-SanDiego]

If you want to give me the PDF file, I can post it here.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I did not get it. Resend to me. Do you have my email address?

Send me an email through this site. Click my profile. Send email.

[Alphatek45]

This question keeps popping in my head. If anyone is going to get real, accurate numbers it HAS to be one of us. I wonder if there is someone at BMW we can collectively contact as the "official enthusiasts" or whatever.
I cant see them wanting to withhold the info. Would be sick for us to be the ones that can get the real details. I have some friends that are high up, in the high end car dealership world,but that's about it. Going to do some research.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Would be nice if ZHP Mafia broke that story.

[mimalmo]

Low production numbers of certain features and color combos will drive up the value of our cars. You would think BMW would have wanted that info out there when they were selling a ton of these a couple years ago as CPO's.

[johnrando]

Unfortunately no value to add to this thread, but I love the data. Shocked at the potentially low ZHP Cic numbers.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I am not surprised by the convertible ZHP numbers. That car, new, was probably more than $50K.

[nk_zhp]

Hopefully the new upcoming ZHP Registry will shed some light into the real numbers.

[nk_zhp]

Hey 3ZHPGUY.. I am confused, are you suggesting that the state of California sold 72 ZHPs?

There are at a minimum 20,000 of them in US. Sorry to disappoint.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Nk, I sure hope the ZHP registry does shed some light. And I do wish there was a way to find out how many people opted for the ZHP. Would be nice to know, definitively, just how many are out there.

[rikdee]

FWIW, here's a production comment that appeared on one of the E46 sites some time back:

[the poster wrote] "There are probably around 1500 ZHP sedans, total, give or take 500. So, while not hyper-rare, they're much rarer than you might think. They seem more common than they are because they're overrepresented on boards like these and in the enthusiast community in general (plus, don't forget that there are a couple thousand ZHP coupes and convertibles bolstering the totals). Leather is substantially more common than cloth/alcantara and the 6MT actually seems to be more common than the automatic (especially because ALL 2003 model ZHPs are 6MT).

For the sake of reference, there were some ~9,000 E39 M5s sold in the US and more than 40,000 E46 M3s.

Here's where I came up with that figure: the ZHP package was available on sedans from 03/03 to 12/04 (when E46 sedan production ended). Total 330i production during this period was just over 20,000 cars. Judging by the current used car sales listings, about 5-10% of the MY03-05 sedans available for sale (it varies) have the ZHP package, which leaves you with about 1000-2000."

Shortly after I purchased (second gen) my 1993 E34M5, I wrote BMWNA with a production inquiry. I received back a formal letter stating 237 units were domestically imported as '93 M5s. Just thinking anecdotally, I'd have to guess domestic ZHPs would be many times 380 cars.

Rick

[az3579]

I think production for sedans actually ended 01/2005. There was one ZHP I was looking at to buy before I bought mine and I checked the VIN on realoem. It showed as having a 01/2005 production date, and it was the last month available to check.

[nk_zhp]

Hmm... there is some voice of reason... perhaps they are more rare than I thought.

[johnrando]

I have an '06 ZHP Vert w/a build date of 03/06. John

[Marcus-SanDiego]

John, can't get much better than that. End of run.

[danewilson77]

08/2006 = end of run?

[az3579]

08/2006 = end of run?

I believe so.

[danewilson77]

Ok...thanks az...

[johnrando]

John, can't get much better than that. End of run.

Yeah, I'm liking that! John

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Be sure to add your ZHP information to the ZHP Registry. See link at top of site on navigation bar.

[nk_zhp]

Folks I've done some experimentation... let me know what you think.
All 4D ZHP, and appears that 330i's generally have a serial num of KMXXXXX (last 7 digits of the VIN). Using RealOEM I've compiled this info.

KM00793 - 1st car of 2002
KM03218 - 1st car of 2003
KM06460 - 1st car of 2004
KM08928 - 1st car of 2005
KN09060 - Last 4D E46 330i

Now so far, based on the data collected on zhpregistry there are no accounts of '03 MY ZHPs built before 03/03. The 1st car for 03/03 is KM03558.

Since numbers are serial that "last car" - "1st ZHP production month car" = yield ~5700 cars (330i sedans).

This means that if every single sedan produced in this time period was a ZHP (which it wasn't).. there are total of 5700 cars. The question now is, what percentage of that population had the performance package.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Let's say that 20% were produced. That would give you 1140 ZHP sedans.

Looking at the ZHP Registry stats, it appears that the sedan was much more prevalent than the coupe or convertible. So, even if we assumed that there were 5700 of each door type (which doesn't seem possible), and we assume that 20% of them were ZHPs, we'd have 3420 ZHPs total from 2003 to 2006.

[kayger12]

Folks I've done some experimentation... let me know what you think.
All 4D ZHP, and appears that 330i's generally have a serial num of KMXXXXX (last 7 digits of the VIN). Using RealOEM I've compiled this info.

KM00793 - 1st car of 2002
KM03218 - 1st car of 2003
KM06460 - 1st car of 2004
KM08928 - 1st car of 2005
KN09060 - Last 4D E46 330i

Now so far, based on the data collected on zhpregistry there are no accounts of '03 MY ZHPs built before 03/03. The 1st car for 03/03 is KM03558.

Since numbers are serial that "last car" - "1st ZHP production month car" = yeld ~5700 cars (330i sedans).

This means that if every single sedan produced in this time period was a ZHP (which it wasn't).. there are total of 5700 cars. The question now is, what percentage of that population had the performance package.

That's some nice number sleuthing! Can't imagine the percentage could be very large.... Would be great if BMW/NA would just help us out on this.

[rikdee]

That's some nice number sleuthing! Can't imagine the percentage could be very large.... Would be great if BMW/NA would just help us out on this.

And, the Registry should enable us to extrapolate the total number of 330s [assuming 5700 is the population for sedans] via the coupe/vert respective percentage of the Registry. Seems we're getting close to a pretty good [ZHP] guess - already surprising small.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

And, the Registry should enable us to extrapolate the total number of 330s [assuming 5700 is the population for sedans] via the coupe/vert respective percentage of the Registry. Seems we're getting close to a pretty good [ZHP] guess - already surprising small.

Agree.

[kayger12]

And, the Registry should enable us to extrapolate the total number of 330s [assuming 5700 is the population for sedans] via the coupe/vert respective percentage of the Registry. Seems we're getting close to a pretty good [ZHP] guess - already surprising small.

If we use the registry ratio, we're looking at about 41% coupes and verts. 5700 sedans would give us roughly 2300 coupes and verts for 8000 total 330s. If we go with the 20% were ZHPs figure, that's roughly 1600 ZHPs-- which would break down to just 32 per state.

If my math is not completely screwed up, that is...

[rikdee]

If we use the registry ratio, we're looking at about 41% coupes and verts. 5700 sedans would give us roughly 2300 coupes and verts for 8000 total 330s. If we go with the 20% were ZHPs figure, that's roughly 1600 ZHPs-- which would break down to just 32 per state.

If my math is not completely screwed up, that is...

Yeah, that's good work! The longer the Registry populates, the better will be our per-model extrapolation, again assuming 5700 is a solid 4D baseline.

[nk_zhp]

The only way 5700 count is not a solid baseline is if you find any US Spec 330i built between 2003-2005 that does not have KMXXXXX as its last 7 digits.

[rikdee]

The only way 5700 count is not a solid baseline is if you find any US Spec 330i built between 2003-2005 that does not have KMXXXXX as its last 7 digits.

Well, that number is certainly key to the project. I believe RealOEM is an accurate source and the KM alpha seems a reliable reference. Can the same filter be used with coupes and verts - do they each have a dedicated alpha prefixing their numeric order?

[nk_zhp]

coupes/convertibles seem to have ~3 prefixes, so it's a bit less simple.

[rikdee]

coupes/convertibles seem to have ~3 prefixes, so it's a bit less simple.

Yes, that presents a bit of a puzzle. Perhaps the best we'll do is a body-style statistical inference from the registry (as it continues to enlarge) with the 5700 4Ds as a given.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Yes, that presents a bit of a puzzle. Perhaps the best we'll do is a body-style statistical inference from the registry (as it continues to enlarge) with the 5700 4Ds as a given.

I think that's exactly how it will play out.

[danewilson77]

Easy fix. Everyone with a coupe, set their car on fire....then you only gotta count fo do's.....

[az3579]

I don't buy the 5700 4D ZHP's. That number doesn't seem precise enough.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I don't buy the 5700 4D ZHP's. That number doesn't seem precise enough.

5698. :biggrin

[az3579]

5698. :biggrin

r u srs?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

r u srs?

No.

[az3579]

I didn't think so. :p

[Marcus-SanDiego]

For now, we're just gonna have to ballpark it. Wish we had some at BMW who could confirm the numbers for us.

[kayger12]

I don't buy the 5700 4D ZHP's. That number doesn't seem precise enough.

IINM, 5,700 isn't the number of ZHPs, but the number of 330i's produced during that period. The number of ZHPs would be a much smaller percentage of that 5,700.

[kayger12]

Easy fix. Everyone with a coupe, set their car on fire....then you only gotta count fo do's.....

What-- the verts get a pass?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Right. That's the entire 330 sedan population. I threw out a guess of 20% of people choosing the ZHP option. I never would have thought that so few 330 sedans were produced.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

What-- the verts get a pass?

Yeah. He's always pulling that crap with us.

[kayger12]

Yeah. He's always pulling that crap with us.

Yep-- looks like some more 4 door inferiority complex-- having those extra doors is like sporting a third testicle-- more, while numerically superior, isn't always better :p

[danewilson77]

Yep-- looks like some more 4 door inferiority complex-- having those extra doors is like sporting a third testicle-- more, while numerically superior, isn't always better :p

IDK....I think some chicks might actually dig that....

[kayger12]

IDK....I think some chicks might actually dig that....

Now that you mention it, I've prolly met a few....

[pyreguy]

If you had three testicles, would you slowly list to one side as you tried to walk straight?

[kayger12]

If you had three testicles, would you slowly list to one side as you tried to walk straight?

Dane? Hehe...

[danewilson77]

nAAA....THE ONE CENTERLINE HANGS LOOOOOWWWWWW.....

[Kudos]

ok, my coupe has a prefix pdxxxxx. is this the only prefix for coupes? Hopefully this helps get some more data from real oem. When looking up cars, how do you determine if a car is zhp apart from searching front bumper, etc?

[rikdee]

ok, my coupe has a prefix pdxxxxx. is this the only prefix for coupes? Hopefully this helps get some more data from real oem. When looking up cars, how do you determine if a car is zhp apart from searching front bumper, etc?

Aside from ZHP specific equipment, not sure there is at least as far as the R-OEM data base is concerned. It was mentioned above that coupes and verts, between them, have several alpha prefixes, "pd" being but one.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

ok, my coupe has a prefix pdxxxxx. is this the only prefix for coupes? Hopefully this helps get some more data from real oem. When looking up cars, how do you determine if a car is zhp apart from searching front bumper, etc?

The only way is to pore over option sheets. People can add all of the parts after the fact, but they can't insert code 767, which denotes performance package on build sheet.

[kayger12]

Aside from ZHP specific equipment, not sure there is at least as far as the R-OEM data base is concerned. It was mentioned above that coupes and verts, between them, have several alpha prefixes, "pd" being but one.

Mine's a pd as well.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I have to bet that norik is busy behind the scenes, trying to break the code.

[nk_zhp]

So far for coupes:
PD, PL, PE
Converts
PL, PZ, PJ

Given that PL seems shared, coupe/convertible population prefixes might be intermixed with 325/328 and others. I doubt there are more coupes and convertibles than sedans.

[rikdee]

So far for coupes:
PD, PL, PE
Converts
PL, PZ, PJ

Given that PL seems shared, coupe/convertible population prefixes might be intermixed with 325/328 and others. I doubt there are more coupes and convertibles than sedans.


This introduces considerably more complexity. I agree sedans are more prevalent than coupes and verts combined, assuming any production period. So, it just might be, absent BMWNA assistance, our Registry will provide the best tool for 'guesstimation'.

[az3579]

So, how did this thread go from ZHP production numbers to having three testicles again? :blink

[danewilson77]

I just happens.....lol

[az3579]

I just happens.....lol

That's right, YOU just happen.


Carry on.

[kayger12]

So, how did this thread go from ZHP production numbers to having three testicles again? :blink

I have a really difficult time staying on topic...

[danewilson77]

That's right, YOU just happen.


Carry on.

I dont think you have the rank....to tell me to carry on....youngun...

[pyreguy]

EVERYONE! "Carry on myyyy wayyyyyyward soooooon, there will be peace wheeeeeen yoooou aaaaarrrre done...."

[danewilson77]

Great, great song...

[kayger12]

EVERYONE! "Carry on myyyy wayyyyyyward soooooon, there will be peace wheeeeeen yoooou aaaaarrrre done...."

:rockon

[nk_zhp]

For those of you that like math.. a.k.a never had a girlfriend, I updated the VINatomy page to include the method by which check digit in the vin is computed.

I know that has nothing to do with ZHPs produced or having 3 testicles but while we are derailing the thread altogether I figured I'll add this.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Hey, that's great. I like that kind of stuff. I'm not a math geek, though. Had plenty of girlfriends.

[az3579]

EVERYONE! "Carry on myyyy wayyyyyyward soooooon, there will be peace wheeeeeen yoooou aaaaarrrre done...."

Lay your weeeeary heeeeeeeeead tooo reeeeeeeeeeeestt.... don't you cryyyy noo moooooooore!

[pyreguy]

THANK YOU:roundel

[danewilson77]

Just give me the number of Manual, ZHP sedans produced. Thats the only number that really matters.

[pyreguy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA :word

[danewilson77]

Srs sedan is srs..............

[nk_zhp]

Aight... I missed a whole range of sedans... KM43286 - KM31517. That's 11769 on top of the almost 6000 mentioned previously. So we are at ~17500 330i's. The coupe/convertibles are more scattered but I am working on it.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Aight... I missed a whole range of sedans... KM43286 - KM31517. That's 11769 on top of the almost 6000 mentioned previously. So we are at ~17500 330i's. The coupe/convertibles are more scattered but I am working on it.

Makes this option less rare but it also means this site has more growth potential.

Silver lining kind of guy.

[kayger12]

Aight... I missed a whole range of sedans... KM43286 - KM31517. That's 11769 on top of the almost 6000 mentioned previously. So we are at ~17500 330i's. The coupe/convertibles are more scattered but I am working on it.

So given this, if we use the same coupe/vert ratio as before and still assume a 20% rate for ZHP option, that gives us 4900 ZHPs. Still less than 100 per state.

[danewilson77]

So...is that the number were using for now.....<100 per state? Is it fairly safe to say that?

[kayger12]

So...is that the number were using for now.....<100 per state? Is it fairly safe to say that?

I think so.

Personally, I think the 20%, 330/ZHP ratio is high. I find it hard to believe that two out of ten 330 purchasers opted to spend 4k on a performance package.

But it certainly wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I threw out that 20% figure a few days ago. I figured it was an aggressive number. But I'd rather err on the high side than on the low end.

[nk_zhp]

PD99999-PD96100 = 3899
PL54999-PL42639 = 12360
PE10330-PE10000 = 330
PL18456-PL11843 = 6613
PZ43397-PZ39000 = 4397
PJ97989-PJ94792 = 3197

30796 coupes and sedans... I have a feeling I missed another sedan range. Keep in mind that for sedans I am counting 03/03 onwards, and with copes/convertibles 09/03 onwards. This is based on the fact that the earliest ZHP is from 3/03 in another words for model year 2003 the zhps didn't see to roll from 09/02.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I'm in that PD batch. 99826. Last production month of 2005. Keith is the other coupe -- from the registry -- that was built during last production month of 2005.

Keith, I'm curious on the last five digits of your VIN. I bet they're real close to one another.

[kayger12]

I'm in that PD batch. 99826. Last production month of 2005. Keith is the other coupe -- from the registry -- that was built during last production month of 2005.

Keith, I'm curious on the last five digits of your VIN. I bet they're real close to one another.

Bet you're right. As soon as I get home I'll grab the vin.

[nk_zhp]

I just looked at large set of sedans on cars.com and they all fall into a range I accounted for. So there you have it 17K sedans 30K coupes/convers. 47000 total cars that *may* have the option fitted. I think the prediction of 10% - 20% seems reasonable, even from just the percentage of for sale listing of ZHPs vs non. we're talking 4-7k cars. I recall a while ago that dealers often were using 4K as the target count and they often were dismissed as intentional hype to sell more vehicles.... this one might actually be true.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I agree, NK. I think 4K-7K looks reasonable. Good work, pal. Really. Great work ferreting this out.

[kayger12]

I got lost on this last one, nk. 30,000 coupes and verts?

I thought there were way less coupes/verts than sedans.

[nk_zhp]

30K total not each. If you are referring to the registry results then it's simply too early to judge. Also keep in mind that while overall coupes + verts were more, ZHP might have been ordered with less popularity on 2 door variants. One of the biggest reasons to get ZHP was to get closer to an M while keeping 4 doors. Those that would gravitate towards coupes had another option: M3.

Am I reading your question correctly?

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I think what Keith is saying is that it's surprising that there are, on average, 15K coupes, 15K convertibles, and 17K sedans.

[nk_zhp]

Wanted to stress again that for sedans I started counting from 3/03, instead of 09/02 (the real beginning of model year 2003). While for Ci/Cic full production years for 04-06 were used. If I were to use 09/02 as the starting point then were talking close to 20K sedans.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Those numbers seem in line to me. And if a full 20% of those 330s were optioned with the ZHP, then we're looking at 9,400 ZHP-optioned vehicles on the road (not accounting for the ones that have been destroyed in accidents, etc.).

[kayger12]

30K total not each. If you are referring to the registry results then it's simply too early to judge. Also keep in mind that while overall coupes + verts were more, ZHP might have been ordered with less popularity on 2 door variants. One of the biggest reasons to get ZHP was to get closer to an M while keeping 4 doors. Those that would gravitate towards coupes had another option: M3.

Am I reading your question correctly?

Yes-- Thanks. I done confuseded myself.

[kayger12]

I'm in that PD batch. 99826. Last production month of 2005. Keith is the other coupe -- from the registry -- that was built during last production month of 2005.

Keith, I'm curious on the last five digits of your VIN. I bet they're real close to one another.

How about this Mark-- 99840. Guess that means our babies were potentially 14 cars apart on the line... Pretty cool.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Yep. I have little doubt that they were being built at the same time.

[kayger12]

Well, that's just another reason we have to get together someday. :cheers

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Exactly. Unlike Lance, though, I ain't jumping in the car to drive 30 straight hours. LOL. He's "only" driving 12 hours, though.

[kayger12]

Exactly. Unlike Lance, though, I ain't jumping in the car to drive 30 straight hours. LOL. He's "only" driving 12 hours, though.

No doubt-- If I ever drive to San Diego, it's gonna be in a moving van.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

That would be great, Keith. You'd love it here.

[pyreguy]

Yeah, by myself I keep it at 15 hours or below. Any more than that and I wanna have someone with me.

[joeleurodepot]

KM00793 - 1st car of 2002 Last KM01102
KM03218 - 1st car of 2003 Last KM05573
KM06460 - 1st car of 2004 Last KM08793
KM08928 - 1st car of 2005 Last KM08997
KN09060 - Last 4D E46 330i Last KN09151

2002 SEDAN totals: 309
2003 SEDAN totals: 2,355
2004 SEDAN totals: 69
2005 SEDAN totals: 69
2006 SEDAN totals: 91
----------------------
Total SEDAN production: 2,893*
*Totals determined solely by the inclusion of the following options on build sheet:

772 INTERIOR TRIM ALU BLACK CUBE

775 INDIVIDUAL ROOF-LINING ANTHRACITE

790 M LT/ALY WHEELS WITH MIXED TYRES

Please note that there was never a sole 'ZHP' ordering option from BMW.



PD's 2/2004 start
PD97425 -1st car of 2004 Last PD98590

2004 COUPE totals: 1,165

CONVERTIBLE: PL's 4/2004 start
PL90949 -1st car of 2004 Last PL91857

2004 Conv. totals: 908

PE's 10/2005 start*
PE10055 -1st car of 2005 upto PE10125, then PE10127 to PE10144, then PE10151 to PE10175

2005 COUPE totals: 111

PE's 01/2006 start*
PE10205 -1st car of 2006 upto PE10234, then PE10251 to PE10263, then PE10290 to PE10291, then PE10307 to (last) PE10327

2006 COUPE totals: 62

*Please note that select ZHP options such as 'black cube trim' and 'anthrazit headliner' were available
as individual options on ECE cars, so there are some suto ZHP'ish cars in ECE.

GRAND TOTAL ZHP PRODUCTION: APPROX. 5139 +/- FOR ALL CHASSIS TYPES.

I am personally responsible for the deaths of PD97693 (RIP June 2011 (parted)), and KM04063 (currently under the knife at my shop for parts). So we can deduct at least 2 from the current Worldly totals ;).

PZ's as previously mentioned further back in this thread are 1 series, e87 chassis.

I am still working on the PJ's (Tourings) which are not without their challenges due to ECE options and the fact that ECE produced models are made here or there in onesie, twosies, since European clients can order each car with their own specific options vs. bulk-runs for the US market. Furthermore an ECE client can specifically add exacting options such as 'cube trim' so you literally have to go through each and every VIN (over 100,000 of them) to make sure it's a true ZHP. I currently have found over 50 in ECE.
If your VIN is not included in the spreads above, please let me know and I will update my totals. I am sure that this will be a work in progress. I would also appreciate someone contacting me with a PJ (touring) US VIN so I have somewhere to start with my decodes.
-Cheers
Joel

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Please note that there was never a sole 'ZHP' ordering option from BMW.

Joel, what do you mean by this statement? Option code 767 was the performance package (ZHP).

[danewilson77]

Good data.

HTC Thunderbolt+TT

[M0nk3y]

~5100 cars for zhp?

That's not a bad number

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[joeleurodepot]

Joel, what do you mean by this statement? Option code 767 was the performance package (ZHP).

The ECE models 330d included all ZHP options but no 'performance package' since there was no performance upgrades available for the ECE diesels.

[joeleurodepot]

I crack VIN's like wal-nuts! Shoot me a last 7 and I'll get you a build sheet! :D

[danewilson77]

~5100 cars for zhp?

That's not a bad number

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50 to 100 per state is what we were estimating, leaning more toward 100. Pretty good guess.

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[joeleurodepot]

Based upon my PJxxxxx ECE research, approx. every 40th car was ZHP optioned, but as stated no 'performanace package' on the diesels, but every other ZHP option is present. Also most ECE VIN's ending in 0 and every 40th have yielded a ZHP optioned model.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Thanks for the clarification, Joel.

[joeleurodepot]

Thanks for the clarification, Joel.

No problem, the ECE stuff is like pulling teeth out of a rooster! I'm not sure if we will ever have an exacting total but I would have to think that it is under 6,500 globally. My current ECE studies in the PJ's (currenty working in the Italian designated builds) is thus: PJ's TOURING 5/14/2002 start
PJ30400 -1st car of 2002, then PJ30570, PJ30740, PJ30770, PJ30880, PJ31230,

PJ88000 COUPE 12/04/2003, PJ88400 01/22/2004, PJ88403, PJ88406 thru PJ88408, PJ88410, PJ88416, PJ88417...

These are all ECE VIN's, in process...

-Joel

[M0nk3y]

50 to 100 per state is what we were estimating, leaning more toward 100. Pretty good guess.

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I forget...how many years were the zhp.in production

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[pleasecorrupt]

I believe 03-06 sedans only in 03

[BATMAN]

Wow... reading from 11-2010 to today was great! I wish I could add to the number crunching, but this is all I got.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

I forget...how many years were the zhp.in production

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2003-2006.

[johnrando]

Great data Joel, thanks for posting. Definitely feels like we're closer to the real number to be able to start to quote that. BTW, my VIN on an '06 Vert ends with PZ40412. Don't know if that helps.

[aurelius]

GRAND TOTAL ZHP PRODUCTION: APPROX. 5139 +/- FOR ALL CHASSIS TYPES.


And there were 4,996 US-spec E30 M3's.

But I must say I see a helluva lot more ZHPs on the road 5-6 years after production ended than I saw E30 M3s in the mid to late 90s.

I shot this about 2 months ago. My M3, random ZHP sighting:

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l584/aurelius3/0ab7b7c3.jpg

[nk_zhp]

I am not sure I understand this data. Is this for US spec cars? If so I could tell you that the numbers are low at least for sedans.

You can use this tool, http://www.zhpregistry.net/Query.aspx
certainly we are only 20% or so into the total population of the ZHPs but for later model Sedans we already have larger numbers then what you are describing.

Also, why are you looking for just Black cube cars? As Marcus said, looking for the proper Perf-Package option code is probably your best bet.



KM00793 - 1st car of 2002 Last KM01102
KM03218 - 1st car of 2003 Last KM05573
KM06460 - 1st car of 2004 Last KM08793
KM08928 - 1st car of 2005 Last KM08997
KN09060 - Last 4D E46 330i Last KN09151

2002 SEDAN totals: 309
2003 SEDAN totals: 2,355
2004 SEDAN totals: 69
2005 SEDAN totals: 69
2006 SEDAN totals: 91
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Total SEDAN production: 2,893*
*Totals determined solely by the inclusion of the following options on build sheet:

772 INTERIOR TRIM ALU BLACK CUBE

775 INDIVIDUAL ROOF-LINING ANTHRACITE

790 M LT/ALY WHEELS WITH MIXED TYRES

Please note that there was never a sole 'ZHP' ordering option from BMW.



PD's 2/2004 start
PD97425 -1st car of 2004 Last PD98590

2004 COUPE totals: 1,165

CONVERTIBLE: PL's 4/2004 start
PL90949 -1st car of 2004 Last PL91857

2004 Conv. totals: 908

PE's 10/2005 start*
PE10055 -1st car of 2005 upto PE10125, then PE10127 to PE10144, then PE10151 to PE10175

2005 COUPE totals: 111

PE's 01/2006 start*
PE10205 -1st car of 2006 upto PE10234, then PE10251 to PE10263, then PE10290 to PE10291, then PE10307 to (last) PE10327

2006 COUPE totals: 62

*Please note that select ZHP options such as 'black cube trim' and 'anthrazit headliner' were available
as individual options on ECE cars, so there are some suto ZHP'ish cars in ECE.

GRAND TOTAL ZHP PRODUCTION: APPROX. 5139 +/- FOR ALL CHASSIS TYPES.

I am personally responsible for the deaths of PD97693 (RIP June 2011 (parted)), and KM04063 (currently under the knife at my shop for parts). So we can deduct at least 2 from the current Worldly totals ;).

PZ's as previously mentioned further back in this thread are 1 series, e87 chassis.

I am still working on the PJ's (Tourings) which are not without their challenges due to ECE options and the fact that ECE produced models are made here or there in onesie, twosies, since European clients can order each car with their own specific options vs. bulk-runs for the US market. Furthermore an ECE client can specifically add exacting options such as 'cube trim' so you literally have to go through each and every VIN (over 100,000 of them) to make sure it's a true ZHP. I currently have found over 50 in ECE.
If your VIN is not included in the spreads above, please let me know and I will update my totals. I am sure that this will be a work in progress. I would also appreciate someone contacting me with a PJ (touring) US VIN so I have somewhere to start with my decodes.
-Cheers
Joel

[DirtyPillows]

KM00793 - 1st car of 2002 Last KM01102
KM03218 - 1st car of 2003 Last KM05573
KM06460 - 1st car of 2004 Last KM08793

Is it me or is KM06460 to KM08793 more than 69???????


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[Marcus-SanDiego]

Joel, the first ZHP didn't roll off the assembly line until end of March/early April 2003. I'm trying to understand why 2002 data are relevant in this analysis.

Thanks, sir. Just having a difficult time following some of the math.

[nk_zhp]

I think with those ranges he simply meant the 330i sedans, not necessarily ZHPs.



Is it me or is KM06460 to KM08793 more than 69???????


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[DirtyPillows]

I understand but he made a mistake on that part and his total for the 330i is short by 2000 thus would change alot of the results

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[DirtyPillows]

To be exact he's short 2333for all 330i's

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[joeleurodepot]

Sorry, I was probably suffering from vindecodearia and my eyes/numbers crossed O.O. Revised totals in next post:

nk_zhp asked 'Also, why are you looking for just Black cube cars? As Marcus said, looking for the proper Perf-Package option code is probably your best bet.'

No, primarily 772 INTERIOR TRIM ALU BLACK CUBE

775 INDIVIDUAL ROOF-LINING ANTHRACITE

790 M LT/ALY WHEELS WITH MIXED TYRES

and other ZHP build options.

As stated, it becomes increasingly difficult on ECE models wherein the 330d, although fully equipped with all ZHP cosmetics and for all intents and purposes a ZHP, it had no 'performance package' option being a diesel. For US build cars one could rely solely on the 'with performance package' option, but I was/am looking for global totals not just US builds.

-Joel

[joeleurodepot]

Joel, the first ZHP didn't roll off the assembly line until end of March/early April 2003. I'm trying to understand why 2002 data are relevant in this analysis.

Thanks, sir. Just having a difficult time following some of the math.

Data was based on post #30 wherein the first VIN stated was KM00793. Here's a build sheet for KM00793, but you'll note that no 'performance package' option is shown:

Vehicle information

VIN long WBAEV53402KM00793

Type code EV53

Type 330I (USA)

Dev. series E46 (4FL)

Line 3

Body type LIM

Steering LL

Door count 4

Engine M54

Cubical capacity 3.00

Power 170

Transmision HECK

Gearbox MECH

Colour SCHWARZ 2 (668)

Upholstery STANDARDLEDER/SCHWARZ (N6SW)

Prod. date 2002-01-02


Order options
No. Description
210 DYNAMIC STABILITY CONTROL (DSC)

249 MULTI-FUNCTION FOR STEERING WHEEL

255 SPORTS LEATHER STEERING WHEEL

403 GLAS ROOF, ELECTRIC

431 INTERIOR RR VW MIRROR W AUT ANTI-D

438 WOOD TRIM

441 SMOKERS PACKAGE

459 SEAT ADJUSTM., ELECTR. W. MEMORY

465 THROUGH-LOAD SYSTEM

481 SPORT SEATS F DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

488 LUMBAR SUPPORT DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

494 SEAT HEATING F DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

502 HEADLIGHT WASHER SYSTEM

521 RAIN SENSOR

522 XENON LIGHT

534 AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONING

640 CAR TELEPHONE PREPARATION

650 CD PLAYER

674 HIFI LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEM HARMAN KARDON

692 CD CHANGER I-BUS PREPARATION

715 M AERODYNAMICS PACKAGE

788 M LT/ALY WHEELS
818 MAIN BATTERY SWITCH

925 SHIPPING PROTECTION PACKAGE

926 SPARE WHEEL


Series options
No. Description
354 GREEN STRIPE WINDSCREEN

411 WINDOW LIFTS, ELECTRIC

473 ARMREST, FRONT

520 FOGLIGHTS

550 ON-BOARD COMPUTER

645 RADIO CONTROL US

661 RADIO BMW BUSINESS

823 HOT CLIMATE VERSION

832 BATTERY IN LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT

845 ACOUSTIC BELT WARNING

853 LANGUAGE VERSION ENGLISH

876 RADIO FREQUENCY 315 MHZ

992 NUMBER PLATE ATTACHEMENT MANAGEMENT

The first time I show a US build 'with performance package' for a (USA) build car is KM03554 shown here:

VIN long WBAEV53463KM03554

Type code EV53

Type 330I (USA)

Dev. series E46 (4FL)

Line 3

Body type LIM

Steering LL

Door count 4

Engine M54

Cubical capacity 3.00

Power 170

Transmision HECK

Gearbox MECH

Colour SILBERGRAU METALLIC (A08)

Upholstery STOFF LASER/ANTHRAZIT (G7AT)

Prod. date 2003-02-28

Order options
No. Description
226 SPORTS SUSPENSION SETTINGS

249 MULTI-FUNCTION FOR STEERING WHEEL

441 SMOKERS PACKAGE

459 SEAT ADJUSTM., ELECTR. W. MEMORY

465 THROUGH-LOAD SYSTEM

481 SPORT SEATS F DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

495 3. HEADREST REAR CENTRE

508 PARK DISTANCE CONTROL (PDC)

522 XENON LIGHT

534 AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONING

640 CAR TELEPHONE PREPARATION

650 CD PLAYER

674 HIFI LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEM HARMAN KARDON

692 CD CHANGER I-BUS PREPARATION

710 M LEATHER STEERING WHEEL

716 M AERODYNAMICS PACKAGE II

760 INDIVIDUAL HIGH-GLOSS SATIN CHROME

767 PERFORMANCE-PACKAGE
772 INTERIOR TRIM ALU BLACK CUBE

775 INDIVIDUAL ROOF-LINING ANTHRACITE

787 M LT/ALY WHEELS DOUBLE SP.135 W MIXED T.

818 MAIN BATTERY SWITCH

925 SHIPPING PROTECTION PACKAGE


Series options
No. Description
210 DYNAMIC STABILITY CONTROL (DSC)

354 GREEN STRIPE WINDSCREEN

411 WINDOW LIFTS, ELECTRIC

473 ARMREST, FRONT

520 FOGLIGHTS

550 ON-BOARD COMPUTER

645 RADIO CONTROL US

661 RADIO BMW BUSINESS

823 HOT CLIMATE VERSION

832 BATTERY IN LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT

845 ACOUSTIC BELT WARNING

853 LANGUAGE VERSION ENGLISH

876 RADIO FREQUENCY 315 MHZ

992 NUMBER PLATE ATTACHEMENT MANAGEMENT


Are we looking for totals for US builds only, exclusively with 'performance package' or ZHP body styling? The with 'performance package' totals will be significantly lower than base e46 models which happen to include some ZHP options.

Based upon the with 'performance package' option only with US build cars, this put my totals revised as thus:

2003 SEDAN totals: 2,019
2004 SEDAN totals: 2,333
2005 SEDAN totals: 69
2006 SEDAN totals: 91
-------------------------
SEDAN TOTALS: 4512

As stated this will continue to be a work in process. I'm still estimating that approx. 6,500 cars exist globally.

-Joel


-Joel

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Yeah. We're trying to find the US population (because the ZHP was a US-only option), exclusively with code 767 (performance package). If you could nail that down, you'd be providing information that no one else has produced -- anywhere.

Thanks, Joel.

[joeleurodepot]

Yeah. We're trying to find the US population (because the ZHP was a US-only option), exclusively with code 767 (performance package). If you could nail that down, you'd be providing information that no one else has produced -- anywhere.

Thanks, Joel.

Ok, no problem. Let me work on this through the weekend and see what I yield. I'm thinking the KM03554 is correct for the first US sedan VIN, for an 03/2003 release. Excluding ZHP options and ECE builds will certainly make things much much easier! :D

-Joel

[DirtyPillows]

Sorry if my response was came off harsh was non intended. at the time I didn't quite understand everything and wasn't sure if I was misunderstanding something or whatever. But good job so far on research. Excited to read what you come up with in next post on zhp option only :D

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[Marcus-SanDiego]

Joel, per BMW, the first ZHP was supposed to roll off the assembly line end of March 2003.

Last sedan was produced in 2005.

First coupe was produced in 2004. Last coupe produced in August 2006. Ditto the convertible.

Hopefully that will help.

[hohowan]

So far it sounds like about <5000 ZHPs. To know that we're as rare as e30 M3s is nice to hear. Lovin the site Marcus.

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Lovin the site Marcus.

Glad to hear. Be sure to create a new member thread here (http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?9-New-Members). We always love to officially welcome our friends.

[3ZHP]

Bump, for some of the new members

[ELCID86]

I'd encourage everyone to ensure their car is on the zhp registry (and any others they see with a VIN posted).


Thumbs, iPhone, Tapatalk (http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1).

[stephenkirsh]

Bump, for some of the new members

Thanks! Good read.

So I have a 2005 sedan. Is there really only 69 made total..?

[Hermes]

No, there are only that many on the registry

[kayger12]

Thanks! Good read.

So I have a 2005 sedan. Is there really only 69 made total..?

Figure roughly 1/3 of all ZHPs are on the registry. I'd multiply that number by 3 for a ballpark figure.

[ELCID86]

Figure roughly 1/3 of all ZHPs are on the registry. I'd multiply that number by 3 for a ballpark figure.
Wow. what's that based on?

[kayger12]

Best estimates from everything I've read is that there were roughly 4 to 5 thousand ZHPs produced.

[ELCID86]

Good to know. So the guys who say "only 1000 made" are WAY off. Again, I encourage everyone who sees a car with a VIN to add it.

[kayger12]

Definitely way off. If you read through this thread you'll see where/how we narrowed down the numbers.

I think we have a pretty accurate ballpark figure at 4-5k.

[Hermes]

I have a spreadsheet on my computer with all the possible VINs, it just takes forever to break every single one down considering how many possible cars could've had this option package. I think 5-6000 is a good estimate

[Crickett]

Wow, I don’t know how I missed this thread! Seems like Joel had the means to pull off the method I’ve thought would work to get us a definitive number: take as input the entire range of VINs of 330i/Ci/Cics, run them through a VIN build sheet decoder, and record the number of 767 results.

So was Joel pulling option sheets from an official BMW database, or just the ZHP Registry? I thought it was BMW …

[Hermes]

Wow, I don’t know how I missed this thread! Seems like Joel had the means to pull off the method I’ve thought would work to get us a definitive number: take as input the entire range of VINs of 330i/Ci/Cics, run them through a VIN build sheet decoder, and record the number of 767 results.

So was Joel pulling option sheets from an official BMW database, or just the ZHP Registry? I thought it was BMW …

That is how I do it, I decode them and then look for 767 as the option. Unfortunately ZAM cars are mixed in the VIN range so you also have to look for US or Canadian spec

[stephenkirsh]

Figure roughly 1/3 of all ZHPs are on the registry. I'd multiply that number by 3 for a ballpark figure.

Ah ok. It still seems weird to have such a massive drop off the last few years. Massive!

[wsmeyer]

Most of the sites I've seen are CAPTCHA protected but if someone knows of one that isn't I could easily write a program to query the site with a list of VIN's and scrape the results into a database.

[Hermes]

Yup, that's the problem and why it takes forever. I think I've broken down most of 2003 sedan production, I'll look when I get home

Edit: if I remember correctly, there are appx 47,000 cars during the production range that could have received the performance package.

Edit2: if people want to help I can email them my spreadsheet so they can help break VIN's down, let me know

[3ZHP]

Updated my stats on the page today, if anyone's interested.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=15929598#post15929598

[johnrando]

Thanks for that update.

[Fat-Ham]

PD98265
anyone close to that?

[Hermes]

PD98265
anyone close to that?

Post on the other thread

http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?8134-What-s-your-number

[derbo]

Yup, that's the problem and why it takes forever. I think I've broken down most of 2003 sedan production, I'll look when I get home

Edit: if I remember correctly, there are appx 47,000 cars during the production range that could have received the performance package.

Edit2: if people want to help I can email them my spreadsheet so they can help break VIN's down, let me know

Why don't you make it a google doc and has group edit on?


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[Hermes]

Why don't you make it a google doc and has group edit on?


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I might have to do that, good idea!

[zhmp945]

Hi all,

First post here so hopefully it is a good one. Here is official ZHP (option 767) production data for USA and Canada:

Sedan: 6569 (3974 Manual; 2595 Automatic; 1 SMG) 1680 w/ Alcantara
Coupe: 3314 (1668 Manual; 1644 Automatic; 2 SMG) 640 w/ Alcantara
Vert: 4601 (968 Manual; 3633 Automatic; 2 SMG) 231 w/ Alcantara

[danewilson77]

Hi all,

First post here so hopefully it is a good one. Here is official ZHP (option 767) production data for USA and Canada:

Sedan: 6569 (3974 Manual; 2595 Automatic; 1 SMG) 1680 w/ Alcantara
Coupe: 3314 (1668 Manual; 1644 Automatic; 2 SMG) 640 w/ Alcantara
Vert: 4601 (968 Manual; 3633 Automatic; 2 SMG) 231 w/ Alcantara

Welcome

Where does this data originate?

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[johnrando]

Welcome

Where does this data originate?

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+1. Also, feel free to introduce yourself in our new members section.

[slater]

Hi all,

First post here so hopefully it is a good one. Here is official ZHP (option 767) production data for USA and Canada:

Sedan: 6569 (3974 Manual; 2595 Automatic; 1 SMG) 1680 w/ Alcantara
Coupe: 3314 (1668 Manual; 1644 Automatic; 2 SMG) 640 w/ Alcantara
Vert: 4601 (968 Manual; 3633 Automatic; 2 SMG) 231 w/ Alcantara

can we get a US/Canada breakdown? :)

peter

[zhmp945]

can we get a US/Canada breakdown? :)

peter

Total ZHPs in Canada: 844 (215 sedan, 251 coupe, 378 verts)

Seems to me that the ZHP is not "rare" per se in the US, but can probably be classified as a rare car in Canada. This is a matter of opinion in what constitutes "rare" of course. Anyway, you're much less likely to see a ZHP on the streets in Canada!

[danewilson77]

Where does this data originate?

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[johnrando]

Yes, bump. Where did you get that data?

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[EDS]

Hi all,

First post here so hopefully it is a good one. Here is official ZHP (option 767) production data for USA and Canada:

Sedan: 6569 (3974 Manual; 2595 Automatic; 1 SMG) 1680 w/ Alcantara
Coupe: 3314 (1668 Manual; 1644 Automatic; 2 SMG) 640 w/ Alcantara
Vert: 4601 (968 Manual; 3633 Automatic; 2 SMG) 231 w/ Alcantara

Its okay you can trust us with where you got the info! What goes on in the mafia...stays in the mafia.

[NickZHP]

Its okay you can trust us with where you got the info! What goes on in the mafia...stays in the mafia.
And with anyone who comes across this thread...lol. But yes I too would like to know where this info came from?

[3ZHP]

That data was taken from this forum http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=548352 that now has over 1000 posts. Yes I manually copied every listing and the current location of the person that posted it. I then compared the data to a national BMW dealer list. That data can be a little scud because of possible multiple listings but, because ZHP is only an option code there were never any real numbers released. Hope this helps.


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[EDS]

And with anyone who comes across this thread...lol

My apologies...Lol sometimes I like to pretend that we are a highly secretive and exclusive mafia group.

[gmurphy]

My apologies...Lol sometimes I like to pretend that we are a highly secretive and exclusive mafia group.

+1


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[johnrando]

Off Topic and Members Only are not available to the general public at this time. Off Topic used to be.

[Simmsled]

My apologies...Lol sometimes I like to pretend that we are a highly secretive and exclusive mafia group.

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l434/Simmsled/BrandoZHPkey.png

[SickFinga]

Yes, bump. Where did you get that data?

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Most likely my post on another forum was the source for the production data

http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1629631&postcount=273

[3ZHP]

Most likely my post on another forum was the source for the production data

http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1629631&postcount=273

Very interesting, I spoke with a BMW_NA "M brand" manager a few years ago that told me that data wasn't available for a option code.

[SickFinga]

Very interesting, I spoke with a BMW_NA "M brand" manager a few years ago that told me that data wasn't available for a option code.

Generally it is not, but the data exists and someone definitely has access to it since all the build sheets are stored in a database.

[3ZHP]

definitely not what I expected with the salons only being produced for two years [1/2 -2003 & 1/2 5005].


Generally it is not, but the data exists and someone definitely has access to it since all the build sheets are stored in a database.

[SickFinga]

definitely not what I expected with the salons only being produced for two years [1/2 -2003 & 1/2 5005].

Well, coupe and convertible were also available for only 2 years(2004-2006). However, since there was no M3 sedan and ZHP did not have to compete with it, ZHP was in higher demand.