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daytona90t
11-16-2015, 11:07 AM
The last thing that I want to do is start another alignment thread, but I have a unique situation and want to see what others think.

My car is mostly stock and I did a complete OEM lemforder/sachs suspension rebuild a little over a year ago. The only things that I added during the rebuild were M3 RTABS, RTAB Limiters, Poly Sway Bar bushings, and an M3 strut brace. After the rebuild I had a local indy shop do the alignment.

Recently I noticed that the car was pulling a little to the left so I had my car aligned at a local BMW dealer last week, and I suspect that they used the non sport/ ZHP alignment specs. The thing is, I think that the car handles perfectly. It goes down the road straighter than it ever has, precisely darts through traffic at highway speeds, and feels great on curvy back roads.

The reason that I suspect that they did not use the sport/zhp alignment specs is that the alignment spec sheet from the dealership shows BMW 3-series E46 with 18" wheels. It does not specify (low slung sports sedan, or sport) as I have seen on previous alignment specs sheets. Also, my front camber seems to be set to around -.3 and the rear to -1.3. I do not have the actual sheet in front of me but will try to scan and upload it later. I can see that the dealership's alignment machines actually measure ride height at all 4 corners, something I have never seen a
tire shop or indy alignment spec sheet measure or take into account.

Has anyone else ever had their ZHP set to these much more conservative than normal camber settings? Obviously I should see good tire wear on the inside corners with these specs, but also assume that outer shoulder wear could be worse over time. I certainly enjoy driving my car hard when circumstances allow, but from what I can see, feel, and have experienced so far, there doesn't seem to be any negative handling characteristics with these camber specs.

Also, has anyone else ever had their alignment done at the dealership that could chime in as to how their car was set up based on the dealership specs? and how the addition of ride height measurements at all 4 corners might affect the recommended alignment specs that the computer is putting out?

Any ideas and input are appreciated.

Thanks, Steve

fredo
11-16-2015, 12:47 PM
As far as I know, only the e46 ZHP came from the factory with 18" wheels. The e46 Sports Package came with 17" wheels.

So there's a good chance the dealer got it right.

Karl Lazlo
11-16-2015, 02:02 PM
My 03 ZSP came with staggered 18s from the factory.

fredo
11-16-2015, 02:06 PM
That's news to me. Do you have a pic of the wheels ? Or the style # ?

Karl Lazlo
11-16-2015, 02:09 PM
Style 72s.

daytona90t
11-16-2015, 05:24 PM
So you are both saying that is it safe to assume that with the 18" wheel option it could only be sport/zhp specs? my only concern is that I know that the sport/zhp specs call for more front and rear negative camber. The target data on the printout calls for far less negative camber than I usually see.

The before measurements are so far out of spec because I had an alignment done at a local indy shop about 3 weeks before and the really screwed it up, that's why I ended up going to the dealer.

Here is my alignment spec printout.

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NoVAphotog
11-16-2015, 05:46 PM
I can't find the alignment sheet pic from when I got it done at BMW...but I know it was set correctly albeit not as "good" of one. Here is my most recent alignment from a shop that knows what they are doing...let's just say...the car feels excellent and there is a whole lot more "green" then when I took it to the dealer. Never going there again for alignments.

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BMWCurves
11-16-2015, 08:43 PM
So you are both saying that is it safe to assume that with the 18" wheel option it could only be sport/zhp specs? my only concern is that I know that the sport/zhp specs call for more front and rear negative camber. The target data on the printout calls for far less negative camber than I usually see.

The before measurements are so far out of spec because I had an alignment done at a local indy shop about 3 weeks before and the really screwed it up, that's why I ended up going to the dealer.

Here is my alignment spec printout.

I believe so, and I'm pretty sure 18" wheels were an additional option on top of the wheels included in Sport Package (ZSP) equipped Non-M E46s.

My alignment numbers were similar to Daniel's (NoVAphotog):

http://i.imgur.com/gR33BoT.jpg

It should be noted that I have Z4M FCABs so there is increased caster in the front. However, the target specs are definitely different between my alignment performed at an indy shop under "BMW, 2005, 3 Series (E46), Coupe Low Ride Sports 18" Wheels" and yours performed at a dealership.

As for alignment numbers, yours and mine are, respectively:
Front
Camber:

Right: -0.31, -0.97
Left: -0.37, -0.92

Toe:

Right: 0.08, 0.13
Left: 0.05, 0.12
Total: 0.14, 0.25

Caster:

Right: N/A, 6.39
Left: N/A, 6.31

Rear
Camber:

Right: -1.53, -2.07
Left: -1.42, -2.06

Toe:

Right: 0.08, 0.14
Left: 0.08, 0.16
Total: 0.16, 0.30

daytona90t
11-17-2015, 07:19 AM
Thanks everyone for the input. It definitely looks like the dealership used the standard E46 alignment specs, and not the sport/zhp specs. Not nearly enough negative camber or positive toe. I am going to get in touch with them and see if I can get it back on the rack, and maybe sit there and watch them this time.