Largest Wheel/Tire Sizes with Stock BMW 330 ZHP Suspension?

[HaloArchive]

So, I have searched and, I have yielded no useful information.

What is the largest size/lightest weight (combo of both) that will fit onto the ZHP with stock suspension? I may go coil-overs in the future and, the most I would do would be roll fenders. I am also looking for a square wheel setup.

Anyways, advice would be much appreciated :)

Cheers~
Shelton

[mimalmo]

What's more important, wheel diameter and width or lightweight?

[danewilson77]

What's more important, wheel diameter and width or lightweight?

....and or future drop?

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[HaloArchive]

Yeah, Future drop most likely on KW V2 (like you)

And, at least 18", as light as they come while still looking good (not a fan of spider web style though) -- For reference, I like the look of 135's, CSL's etc so, that sort of style.

[mimalmo]

Without having to do fender mods, 18x8.5 ET35 with something like an Apex ARC8, Kosei K1, Enkei RPF1.

If you are willing to do some fender work, you could probably do a 18x9.5 ET35.

I've seen sedan owners go wider than that in the rear but not in the front.

[Terry]

What are your guys' thoughts on ARC-8 18x9 all the way around? Any projections on how that might clear the fenders? I'm sure rears will be fine (I think I have OZ 18x9 right now back there), but what about the fronts?

It looks like I have 18x8s there.. Will have to start making measurements. Just curious if someone has already been using this exact setup.

Cheers,

-Terry

[mimalmo]

I'm guessing you're talking about these:

http://store.vacmotorsports.com/apex---18x9-arc-8-wheel-p2306.aspx


The width is fine. What matters is the offset. In this case, the offset is ET42. I don't think you'll have any problems making those fit as long as you don't go wider than a 255 series tire. Your ride height will also be a factor in the "will they fit" equation.

Tires with a rounded sidewall always make for an easier fit. Tires like the Toyo T1R are a good example of tires with a rounded sidewall.

[M0nk3y]

245s Square should give you a good stance

[Terry]

Thanks so much for the insight, gents. 245s sound like that might be the best way to go. Less drag/friction/fuel consumption? :)

Sorry to butt-in on someone else's post.

-Terry

[danewilson77]

245s Square should give you a good stance

I have 245's on the rear (ET42) and I like the way it sits back there.

[jvr826]

http://www.linquist.net/motorsports/bmw/wheels

Scroll down to the table of results and see if anyone is running what you desire to run. I know on my personal car that 8.5 wide with +42 has me maxed at 255/35/18 all around. With certain models of tires and certain driving situations I have a bit of rubbing up inside the rear fender well, not at the lip.

I tried on a set of 17x9, +41 offset wearing 255/40/17 RA1s and didn't get 10 feet before the lip rubbing began in the rear.

What's interesting to me about the data in the table is, there are plenty of "no rubbing" people listing small offsets, wide rims, and even wider tires... yet there are equivalent spec'd cars further down in the red part of the table that do have rubbing.

I always make it a point to put context around the statistics, otherwise they're useless... like I have no rubbing with certain tires, and no rubbing on the freeway with a full tank of gas, but if I'm canyon carving with a full tank and junk in the trunk or people in the rear seat, major rubbing occurs. Most never comment on that and give a thumbs up for a +30 offset 19x9.5 running a 285 tire... in every f'n thread they participate in, and I just post "LOL" cuz I know from experience there's no freakin' way it works... in ALL situations.

[danewilson77]

Good data. I have an 8" rim.....still with maybe 5 mils left.

[mimalmo]

...give a thumbs up for a +30 offset 19x9.5 running a 285 tire... in every f'n thread they participate in, and I just post "LOL" cuz I know from experience there's no freakin' way it works... in ALL situations.


LOL Yeah, that's not gonna happen.


Also, I saw my data on that link; I had forgotten about doing that.

[danewilson77]

It will fit...........


















With a fender pull. :shifty

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[MasterC17]

What are your guys' thoughts on ARC-8 18x9 all the way around? Any projections on how that might clear the fenders? I'm sure rears will be fine (I think I have OZ 18x9 right now back there), but what about the fronts?

It looks like I have 18x8s there.. Will have to start making measurements. Just curious if someone has already been using this exact setup.

Cheers,

-Terry

I can confirm a 9" ARC-8 will not hit the suspension (no promises). I was running 4 ZHP Rear's on the car so an 18x8.5 ET 51 up front and it fit with no issues. A 9" ET42 ARC-8 will actually give you 3mm more clearance on the inside but it will be 15mm larger on the outer position - not sure if that would rub the fender.

[danewilson77]

I can confirm a 9" ARC-8 will not hit the suspension (no promises). I was running 4 ZHP Rear's on the car so an 18x8.5 ET 51 up front and it fit with no issues. A 9" ET42 ARC-8 will actually give you 3mm more clearance on the inside but it will be 15mm larger on the outer position - not sure if that would rub the fender.

Confirm but with no promises...lol. What does that mean? It may fit on a stock suspension....but lowered and it will rub...

[C Withers Media]

Without having to do fender mods, 18x8.5 ET35 with something like an Apex ARC8, Kosei K1, Enkei RPF1.

If you are willing to do some fender work, you could probably do a 18x9.5 ET35.

I've seen sedan owners go wider than that in the rear but not in the front.

I was running 19x9.5 square et31 on my sedan with no fender pull and no rubbing.


What are your guys' thoughts on ARC-8 18x9 all the way around? Any projections on how that might clear the fenders? I'm sure rears will be fine (I think I have OZ 18x9 right now back there), but what about the fronts?

It looks like I have 18x8s there.. Will have to start making measurements. Just curious if someone has already been using this exact setup.

Cheers,

-Terry


Confirm but with no promises...lol. What does that mean? It may fit on a stock suspension....but lowered and it will rub...

Again, you guys are overthinking this stuff. There is way more room in those wheel wells than you are giving credit for...Put down the charts and the books and start looking at real world applications. It can be done, it won't rub, you won't have to rape sheet metal to do it.

[mimalmo]

You are just assuming I haven't tried it in the real world.

Real world application. No books and charts here.
I did 9.5" ET45 rears with 255/30/19 Dunlop SP Sport Maxx and needed a mild fender roll due to rubbing. A few months later, I tried adding a 10mm spacer and didn't even make it out of the garage due to the massive rubbing.

[C Withers Media]

Im not calling you a liar...

I just doubt that there this that much difference between your chassis and my chassis.

Maybe you were running to spec tire sizes...who knows, I was running a drift spec stretch at 235/35/19 and I had zero rubbing on 19x9.5 et31 square set up and a 3 inch drop. I had a normal fender roll and thats it. Anybody who knows Shane at EuroAutoSpot, knows that he refuses to do pulling and ridiculous fender work.


Sorry about pic quality....
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4531598162_f9027f2f48_z.jpg

[Gheybe]

Im not calling you a liar...

I just doubt that there this that much difference between your chassis and my chassis.

Maybe you were running to spec tire sizes...who knows, I was running a drift spec stretch at 235/35/19 and I had zero rubbing on 19x9.5 et31 square set up and a 3 inch drop. I had a normal fender roll and thats it. Anybody who knows Shane at EuroAutoSpot, knows that he refuses to do pulling and ridiculous fender work.


Sorry about pic quality....
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4531598162_f9027f2f48_z.jpg:spit

[Mike V]

Eli, what size wheel and tire is on your car in your sig pic?

[mimalmo]

Post #4 has all the specs
http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?964-Attack-of-the-Silver-Grey-Sedan!

[mimalmo]

Im not calling you a liar...

I just doubt that there this that much difference between your chassis and my chassis.

Maybe you were running to spec tire sizes...who knows, I was running a drift spec stretch at 235/35/19 and I had zero rubbing on 19x9.5 et31 square set up and a 3 inch drop. I had a normal fender roll and thats it. Anybody who knows Shane at EuroAutoSpot, knows that he refuses to do pulling and ridiculous fender work.




I never said you were calling anyone a liar. What I said was that you were making assumptions on people's knowledge and experience with the subject being discussed. If you had asked me, I would have been happy to share my personal experiences with what I have seen fit & not fit on E46 sedans.

[danewilson77]

I have 18" ET42 with 245's on the rear. I can maybe get a 5mm spacer back there.

I have 18" ET42 with 225's on front. I can maybe get a 5mm spacer up there.

Or else I will rub.

The reason's this is...is:

1. I could have chose a tire with a more rounded sidewall. I have Hankook's
2. I am lowered pretty low.
3. I could have chosen a rim with a different offset.

Based on my experience.

Now.....where I would use the calculator is if I wanted to move to a rim with a different offset.

[MasterC17]

Confirm but with no promises...lol. What does that mean? It may fit on a stock suspension....but lowered and it will rub...

It means it worked for me, but if someone goes and buys brand new wheels that don't fit it's not my fault :rofl. I'm on stock suspension, no idea if it would rub if lowered.

[SkrApUNB]

I am currently running 18x9.5 et40 rear, et 35 up front.... from exp. with a 9.5 wheel you will need et35 or lower to clear the strut...my fenders are not rolled and i am running 255/35/18s im lowered on megan racing springs at about 1.5 - 1.75 inches.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5213/5483275353_109034184a_z.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5251/5483869848_0d756a499f_z.jpg

and to help out. I have seen 18 x 10 et 25 squared on an e46 sedan. with money and time. you can make anything fit.

[kaboom]

What wheels are those and are you running camber plates?

Looks great!

Ian

[SkrApUNB]

Miro 111s

and Nope No camber plates, adjusted the camber using the stock slots for my struts. Had to drill out the nipple that was there... took all of 10 minutes.

[danewilson77]

Good data skr...

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[kaboom]

Miro 111s

and Nope No camber plates, adjusted the camber using the stock slots for my struts. Had to drill out the nipple that was there... took all of 10 minutes.

Do you know the weight of the 18x9.5?

Megan coilovers or springs on a stock strut? Just trying to see where the extra clearance is coming from.

Thanks!

Ian

[SkrApUNB]

Megan Springs, Stock Struts, Weight is around 24 pounds i believe. 5mm spacer up front to help clear the strut, other than that, no fender roll. not major camber adjustment, the adjustment i made gives about -.5 to -1 degree, nothing major. but enough to help give it that stance look.

Hope this helps.. I can take more pics of the wheels and take a pic of the drilled out nipple on the stock strut if youd like.

-Brandon

[kasamak]

on my 06 vert, with everything stock, i have no prob i'm running...

FRONT: 19x8.5 ET38, 235/35/19, 40psi
REAR: 19x9.5 ET45 265/30/19, 35psi

TIRES: Hancook Ventus V12 EVO

[kpro]

I have h&R race springs, they lowered my originally equipped sport package car exactly 1" in the rear. On the rear I'm running 255/35/18 Bridgestone RE050's on 18x9" wheels. I've only rubbed once on a pretty bad bump with 2 other passengers in the car. I can't get her to rub at all with me and one passenger :)

[danewilson77]

I have h&R race springs, they lowered my originally equipped sport package car exactly 1" in the rear. On the rear I'm running 255/35/18 Bridgestone RE050's on 18x9" wheels. I've only rubbed once on a pretty bad bump with 2 other passengers in the car. I can't get her to rub at all with me and one passenger :)

Thanks for the data Kristen.

Droid! Srs Legitness!

[johnrando]

on my 06 vert, with everything stock, i have no prob i'm running...

FRONT: 19x8.5 ET38, 235/35/19, 40psi
REAR: 19x9.5 ET45 265/30/19, 35psi

TIRES: Hancook Ventus V12 EVO

Pics? '06 Verts FTW!

[danewilson77]

Make sure you guys update the fitment thread with this data if you don't mind.

Droid! Srs Legitness!

[bschultz03]

275/30ZR19
i believe i'd have to roll my fenders for those to fit? correct me if im wrong, but i believe if i do, they will fit? stock ride height...?

[bschultz03]

10in wide btw. for the back.

[mimalmo]

What are the offsets of the wheels you're looking at?

[bschultz03]

he didn't tell me the offset, just said they are on m3 offset lol im waiting for him to reply right now. all the info i have is:

Front- 245/35ZR19
Rear- 275/30ZR19
5x120 9in front and 10in back.

[mimalmo]

M3 offsets and a 275 series tire isn't going to fit.

M3 offsets with a little tire stretch and some camber will work though.

[bschultz03]

so what do you suggest?

[mimalmo]

Are you committed to buying the wheels and need tire advice or are you asking me what wheels I suggest?

[bschultz03]

im committed and asking about tire advice lol which is much appreciated.

[mimalmo]

A 10" wide wheel with M3 offsets will probably be like ET25 or similar.

You're going to need a 245/35 tire, rolled fenders (maybe pulled/flared fenders too) and quite a bit of camber to make it all work. It is possible to make it happen, it's just going to take some work.

If you're willing to do the work, the end result will look amazing.

[rickflairne]

I can confirm a 9" ARC-8 will not hit the suspension (no promises). I was running 4 ZHP Rear's on the car so an 18x8.5 ET 51 up front and it fit with no issues. A 9" ET42 ARC-8 will actually give you 3mm more clearance on the inside but it will be 15mm larger on the outer position - not sure if that would rub the fender.

I was hoping someone had previously done this. I bought a set of OEM 135M's from a forum member and looking to run the rear 8.5" wheels on the front for a square set up. I would also be running winter tires on the the 2 sets of 8" fronts, provided I need them.

Can anyone confirm this will work?

[murph]

You'll be fine with the OE rears on all four.

As for largest w/ stock suspension...

I'm running 18x9 ET45 SSRs w/ 265mm Hankook RS3s all around, with 5mm spacer up front, and lowered ride height. The rear is really tight, it has a light roll, and if I run it too low, too soft, or with too much junk in the trunk, it'll rub. The front has plenty of space, though it's rolled anyway. I don't think a more aggressive roll would help in the rear, I need a wheel with ~ET50 backspacing. (Apex has one, but it's heavy and ugly...)

When I ran the 265 Bridgestone RE-11s, they were just a *wee* bit skinnier, and fit with no rubbing.

[Terry]

Looking for advice from those who have experience trying to fit the largest rubber possible on a sedan square setup.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'm seriously contemplating going to a larger wheel/tire combo. One of my work mates has convinced me to sell him my APEX ARC-8s in 18x9 et42 with 245/35/18 Hankook Ventus V12 tires. FYI, it's a square setup.

Reason I'm willing to part is because my speedo is incredibly off (reads 89mph while traveling 80mph) and I'm looking to fit some more rubber on there to give the car some more 'presence'.

I had been hoping to fit 18x9.5 with 265/35/18 tires... reading online that et35 is the way to go. Anybody have any experience running this as a square setup? Is et35 the ideal setup? I have accessed that table where everybody posts their experiences and it appears the rears shouldn't be a problem. Of course, that's no guarantee. What are your thoughts on the front? I want the larger tire to assist with the speedo as I'm thinking the odo is accruing more miles than the car is actually rolling. My friend says otherwise...but still.

Car is an 03' ZHP sedan. Thanks for taking the time to read. Hope this is the appropriate thread.

-Terry

[danewilson77]

Is your suspension stock? Do you have 13mm of clearance, now, between your outer fender and the wheel?

Going from ARC-8s in 18x9 ET42 with 245/35/18 to 18x9.5 ET35 with 265/35/18will yield the below.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/Terrystireclearance.jpg

Here's where you would be with same offset and a 9.5 inch rim.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maintenance%20and%20Misc/Terrystireclearancesameoffset.jpg

[Crickett]

Here's WillTheyFit.com's depiction (http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php?width=245&aspect=35&diameter=18&wheelwidth=8.5&offset=42&width2=265&aspect2=35&diameter2=18&wheelwidth2=9.5&offset2=35&Submit=Submit) of your old ARC-8s & proposed 265s. It looks like your speedo change will be -2.18%. FWIW, if you or someone you know has NCSExpert you can code your speedo to read much more accurately (removing the factory "optimism"). That might be a better way to fix your speedo error.

[danewilson77]

I'm thinking the tire aspect is not exactly what Terry wanted either, or his sidewall will be taller with the 265's.

85.75mm vice 92.75mm

Probably should go with 265/30/18's > 79.5......but now your prescribing pain in a rougher ride. IDK...I guess the 35 aspect would be fine.....but may be a tad squishier in the twisties.

[M0nk3y]

Looking for advice from those who have experience trying to fit the largest rubber possible on a sedan square setup.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'm seriously contemplating going to a larger wheel/tire combo. One of my work mates has convinced me to sell him my APEX ARC-8s in 18x9 et42 with 245/35/18 Hankook Ventus V12 tires. FYI, it's a square setup.

Reason I'm willing to part is because my speedo is incredibly off (reads 89mph while traveling 80mph) and I'm looking to fit some more rubber on there to give the car some more 'presence'.

I had been hoping to fit 18x9.5 with 265/35/18 tires... reading online that et35 is the way to go. Anybody have any experience running this as a square setup? Is et35 the ideal setup? I have accessed that table where everybody posts their experiences and it appears the rears shouldn't be a problem. Of course, that's no guarantee. What are your thoughts on the front? I want the larger tire to assist with the speedo as I'm thinking the odo is accruing more miles than the car is actually rolling. My friend says otherwise...but still.

Car is an 03' ZHP sedan. Thanks for taking the time to read. Hope this is the appropriate thread.

-Terry

Terry, I highly suggest you talk to Joe directly at APEX

joe@apexraceparts.com

I spoke to him a couple times about some APEX wheels about my car and he has a lot of knowledge about achieving max performance from a wheel/tire combo.

Going to 18x9.5 ET 35 in the front with 265s is going to require some serious camber (We're talking around -3* usually) to fit the wheel and tire. You have the same problem I have with front wheel fitment. (I was well run a 18x8 ET 42 wheel). Inner clearance you'll be good...you just have to make sure you have enough camber so the outside tire can tuck underneath the fender

As for the rear, going the same wheel...I don't know how you would fit. The wheel will sit out wider in the rear (your OE specs are 18x8.5 ET 51...yikes). I don't know how much room you have in the rear

[Terry]

Thanks for the insight, guys!

Dane, I have that Bilstien pseudo coilover PSS9 setup.. Did I read somewhere that your car now is on coilovers as well?? I wonder if I have 6mm more of clearance on the inside next to the strut. I need to get the car up on our alignment rack at work to properly measure the clearance... Unless I can snap a picture inside the rear well with it on the ground. I'm pretty sure the 9.5 ET42 wheel itself will not have clearance issues but I may be limited on tire size.

Now that ET35 setup makes me think I would really need to do fender work.. An additional 13mm. Hmm. I think regardless I will need to add another degree of camber or so. Not a big deal being that the car doesn't have much camber at all right now.

Crickett, thank you very much for an intelligent alternative. After reading your response I spent about an hour reading up on NCSExpert.. Awesome stuff. I definitely do not completely have a grasp on what needs to be done within the program and for my vehicle order, however I understand what it does and am confident it would dramatically improve the speedo issue. I will also be looking down this road to see if I can find somebody or the program itself.

Again, thanks for all the advice, guys. Very much appreciated.

-Terry

[Terry]

THanks M0nkey. I responded to a thread that Joe & David @ Apex started on another message board.

Speaking of which, do you know why they are no longer offering the ARC-8 in all the sizes they offered before? I like that EC-7 but it is heavier. Unfortunately I'm plagued with being a weight weenie.

-Terry

[danewilson77]

Yup....I'm on KW V1's, and need spaces up front.

Sent from Williamsburg, VA USA

[Terry]

How's the KW suspension working out? Fairly compliant over rough roads or is it quite aggressive? They seem to be stepping up to the BMW plate more and more.. In fact, I think they released an E30 M3 bolt on coilover kit.. Wow.

I'm leaning towards trying 18x9.5 et43... Thanks to your calculator chart, it shows as being 7mm closer to the strut and 5mm closer to the fender. I'm comfortable rolling fenders myself especially as it would be 'mild' rolling.. However, David @ Apex said that it would require a 12mm spacer in the front. That's hard to picture... I suppose I'm not taking the mass of the larger tire into consideration.

-Terry

[danewilson77]

Yeah...the KW's produce a pretty comfortable drive really.

Sent from Williamsburg, VA USA

[M0nk3y]

THanks M0nkey. I responded to a thread that Joe & David @ Apex started on another message board.

Speaking of which, do you know why they are no longer offering the ARC-8 in all the sizes they offered before? I like that EC-7 but it is heavier. Unfortunately I'm plagued with being a weight weenie.

-Terry

What sizes you looking at?

http://www.europeanautosource.com/product/apex-18-arc-8-wheel-set

Looks like they got amble offsets for you. APEX's site is weird...they show a ton of ARC-8 sizes for my car, but literally none for you.


How's the KW suspension working out? Fairly compliant over rough roads or is it quite aggressive? They seem to be stepping up to the BMW plate more and more.. In fact, I think they released an E30 M3 bolt on coilover kit.. Wow.

I'm leaning towards trying 18x9.5 et43... Thanks to your calculator chart, it shows as being 7mm closer to the strut and 5mm closer to the fender. I'm comfortable rolling fenders myself especially as it would be 'mild' rolling.. However, David @ Apex said that it would require a 12mm spacer in the front. That's hard to picture... I suppose I'm not taking the mass of the larger tire into consideration.

-Terry

If you're running ET 43 the 12mm spacer makes sense. Take into effect camber, you're going to be sitting close to the strut. The farther out you can push the wheel, the better. And yes...the tire is a huge factor.

[Terry]

Yeah, I'm surprised I would need to run that large of one though. I was thinking a 5mm spacer. I think I'm having to replace a leaking Euro valve on my engine this week so I'll have to get the calipers out and take some measurements.. Will definitely keep you guys posted so we have extra data here.

How's Gran Turismo treating you, M0nkey? If you haven't been too busy to play... I've been stuck on iRacing lately, lol.

-Terry

[UdubBadger]

have stated this numouros times but I run 265s on a 9.5 rear rim (et 40 i believe). lowered and rolled fenders but its not even close to rubbing.

[M0nk3y]

Yeah, I'm surprised I would need to run that large of one though. I was thinking a 5mm spacer. I think I'm having to replace a leaking Euro valve on my engine this week so I'll have to get the calipers out and take some measurements.. Will definitely keep you guys posted so we have extra data here.

How's Gran Turismo treating you, M0nkey? If you haven't been too busy to play... I've been stuck on iRacing lately, lol.

-Terry

Terry,

I think the tire is deciding how big of a spacer you need to run.

OEM rear tire is 255. I went to 265 RS3s (where the shoulders are square), and everyone said they've been fine with that size.

Then I see this:

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/562070_3563123644989_383152890_n.jpg

Point being, the tire has a completely different profile. I had to add 5mm to avoid that issue, on a OEM spec tire I thought I had the clearance.

I don't want to get side-tracked, because I believe this is the same issue you're going to experience.

Depending on camber, the more camber you run the closer you're going to come to that inner strut. It may be fine now, but if you do add camber (which is probably what Joe and David said) you're going to get that issue. As you tuck the wheel in, you're going to have more room to play with the outside fender...so adding 12mm (which it may seem excessive) may be the right call.

If you do want some 5mm spacers. Send me a PM. I may know someone that can fabricate them for you for fairly cheap (since you don't need hubcentric at 5mm).

I haven't been playing GT5 much, I've been playing F1 2012 demo too much and will probably get the game soon.

-Kyle

[Terry]

265/35/18? That's reassuring. What's the situation/setup on the front?

Sorry to bug you guys with so many questions, but what are your thoughts on a 255/40/18 square setup? Figured that might be the right choice from a gearing standpoint as the E46 M3 stock came with 18x9 and 255/40 tires. Perhaps I should replicate that? That being said I should perhaps take measurements of the back of my car to see if the track is any wider than a normal E46/ZHP due to the S54 swap.

-Terry

[Terry]

Thansk for your input, Kyle. I have a whole menu of spacers from my e30 bin so I should be okay. If not I'll shoot you a note.

Awesome regarding F1 2012. Cool to be able to compare your lap times to the real deal :)

-T

[M0nk3y]

265/35/18? That's reassuring. What's the situation/setup on the front?

Sorry to bug you guys with so many questions, but what are your thoughts on a 255/40/18 square setup? Figured that might be the right choice from a gearing standpoint as the E46 M3 stock came with 18x9 and 255/40 tires. Perhaps I should replicate that? That being said I should perhaps take measurements of the back of my car to see if the track is any wider than a normal E46/ZHP due to the S54 swap.

-Terry

If you go a 255, you can downsize to a 9" wheel. If you keep a 9.5" wheel you'll stretch the tire on a 255 size. You probably won't need to run a huge offset either in the front.

As far as gearing, as long as you maintain proper diameter of the tire you'll be fine. I don't know the extent of your car...is your speedo off now with stock ZHP wheels?

I like this discussion Terry, I'm going through my wheel options almost everyday and I can't choose what I want. I may default back to ARC-8s (although the EC-7s are cool). But unsprung weight i think drives my decision


Thansk for your input, Kyle. I have a whole menu of spacers from my e30 bin so I should be okay. If not I'll shoot you a note.

Awesome regarding F1 2012. Cool to be able to compare your lap times to the real deal :)

-T

Very well, you should get some wheel studs. They look cool :)

[Terry]

Hehehe, the sickness we have of 'tinkering'. :)

I'm on 18x9 et42 ARC-8s now with 245/35/18 tires and the speedometer is off an alarming amount. My speedo reads 89mph when I'm actually driving at 80mph. I know E46 M3s are off more than most bimmers, but I'm trying to correct this as much as I can. Crickett offered an interesting solution, but I think I have to get rid of my setup anyway as I have one coworker wanting my wheels and another wanting my tires.. ;)

You know, I weighed a set of studs vs standard lub bolts.. Believe it or not but the latter is lighter... And I even weighed the studs with AL lug nuts.. ANd I'm on the same page as you...those EC-7s are 3 lbs heavier / wheel. Wow.

-Terry

[M0nk3y]

Hehehe, the sickness we have of 'tinkering'. :)

I'm on 18x9 et42 ARC-8s now with 245/35/18 tires and the speedometer is off an alarming amount. My speedo reads 89mph when I'm actually driving at 80mph. I know E46 M3s are off more than most bimmers, but I'm trying to correct this as much as I can. Crickett offered an interesting solution, but I think I have to get rid of my setup anyway as I have one coworker wanting my wheels and another wanting my tires.. ;)

You know, I weighed a set of studs vs standard lub bolts.. Believe it or not but the latter is lighter... And I even weighed the studs with AL lug nuts.. ANd I'm on the same page as you...those EC-7s are 3 lbs heavier / wheel. Wow.

-Terry

Well, you may or may not like this news.

I did some calcs for OEM ZHP and OEM M3.

With 245/35/18 running right now, compared to ZHP (225/40) you're 1.3% off
Compare that to now the M3 (225/45) you're 4.7% off.

Factor in tire wear...etc I can see where the speedo error is coming from.

If you run 255/40 you should be at the correct speedo for the M3 (0.2% slow...when you factor in tirewear you'll be spot on).

Again, this is just playing with numbers. IF you want 265s (which who doesn't?) you need to go 265/40 to maintain the closest accuracy (1.4% versus going 265/35 and being 2.6%)

[Terry]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that 265/40 just isn't feasible as it would definitely rub.. That's why I started to think about the 265/35. I realize the speedo is still off but it would be an improvement. I think the 40 series tire may be the only way to go for the sake of speedo. However, I figure fitting it in the wheel well would be a challenge.

Do you think a 9" wide wheel is sufficient for a 255/40/18 tire?.. I wonder if this tire would clear sufficiently.

[danewilson77]

But 255's come stock on ZHP (REAR). Why wouldn't it fit? And its on an 8.5" rim. It would be fine on a 9" rim as well.

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[UdubBadger]

i think hes worried about the fronts more than the backs D

[danewilson77]

i think hes worried about the fronts more than the backs D

Ahh...right.

I know you can go 245's square. Idk why you would want to go any larger than that on E46 square set up.

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[mimalmo]

I'd do the 255/35/18 square setup. It will offer a good compromise between the 245 and 265 widths. Just looking at the Discount Tire site, there's 18 options in that size (maybe more on Tire Rack) so finding something you like shouldn't be a problem. You're going to run into a lot of rubbing with the 265's but manageable rub that can be resolved with fender rolling with 255's square.

[UdubBadger]

^ listen up this guy knows his stuff ;)


- Goin' H.A.M. Mobile

[nike001]

I wouldn't go any more than 245's up front. After that, you lose that quick agility and steering response with anything much bigger than that.

I read through a few pages on E46F the other day where a guy did 265 squared up and he hated it. For a DD duty car he didn't seem to enjoy it.. With 255's I'm sure you'd feel like you were driving a little piggy around.

EDIT: here it is. It's a good read.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=954944

[M0nk3y]

I wouldn't go any more than 245's up front. After that, you lose that quick agility and steering response with anything much bigger than that.

I read through a few pages on E46F the other day where a guy did 265 squared up and he hated it. For a DD duty car he didn't seem to enjoy it.. With 255's I'm sure you'd feel like you were driving a little piggy around.

EDIT: here it is. It's a good read.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=954944

I don't agree with this at all. Quick agility is a function of alignment (and proper pressure which I'll mention below). Go massive toe-in and ANY tire will feel like crap. Run 0 toe on the front and you can touch the steering wheel to have the car dart left or right.

That thread is an uneducated person who thought going wider wheels would results in instant success.

Let me explain


I immeadiately noticed that the car was much less directionaly stable, in that, it always wanted to turn instead of going in a straight line. This is great for race cars but very aggravating when commuting to work. When commuting to work, I drive a mixture of fast 50 mph+ sweeping turns for 20 miles then to a straight boring freeway for an additional 20 miles. In theory it should have been fun for half the trip and a pain for the second half. Instead it was just confusing and frustrating the entire time. What was the problem? Why did the car want to dart randomly? Why did the steering get so numb? On center feel was attrocious...what happened?
The fatter gripper rubber exposed some things that were wrong with the rest of the car, here they are in the order that I discovered them:

This is a function of the tire. It's called tramlining.


1. E46 M3 Differentials use a device that "automatically" senses which wheel to apply grip to and then sends power to that wheel with a clever LSD. The only problem is, after talking to several people who build custom LSD's for racecars, the stock LSD gets a little overwhelmed by so much rubber. It still works, it just doesn't work as good, and it starts lock up the diff at the wrong time, namely, before entering the corner. This causes the car to want to randomly understeer when lightly turning into a fast corner. Very annoying. The sensation is very subtle and 90% of people won't feel it or realize what is going on, they will just drive the car and might tell you it felt a little weird.

With traction control on, the car just sucks. Eliminate the whole system and you won't experience lock-up. I don't know what sizes he was running in the rear (probably 255s or 265s, but the same would of happened)




2. While my stock suspension did actually fit the wheels and tires with no problem, I discovered that I needed an alignment. One thing leads to another and soon enough, to get the "proper" alignment on the car, I bought Vorshlag camber plates, and Turner rear camber arms. From what I've heard, most people doing a square setup will also replace the stock suspension with aftermarket and this is a necessary step. I bought this stuff simply planning for when I replace my stock shocks and springs. The new alignment helped a lot, but there were still more problems.

If you think you can fit 265s w/stock camber he obviously didn't know what he was getting into. So many sources on the internet saying -3* + for proper front tire clearance in the front, around -2* rear (this is all dependent on how you want to power down)



3. Tire pressures on a stock setup WILL NOT WORK for a square 265/35 setup. Period. Every where you go to get the car worked on they will hand you the key and say, "...And we set the tire pressure to OEM specs" and you just shake your head. I found that, at a minimum, I had to run 36 PSI all around for the car to feel somewhat normal. I am now running about 38psi for street driving. The sidewalls of a 265/35/18 tire are just too tall and subsequently too soft to feel the same as a 225/45/18 at the same pressure. The amount of steering feel lost because of this was amazing, directional stability at high speed changed drastically between the OEM and 38psi pressures.

This one made me LOL. I'm sorry

Who would think changing a completely different tire compound would lead to the same pressures?

The PS2s are a soft sidewall, not matter what sidewall you go, you're going to have a soft feeling to the tire.

Again, is even 38 psi correct? Probably not. It's a function of tire-rollover. Since he is DDing, I assume he never checked this.

The steering feel is all on camber. I'm assuming since he just got a standard alignment, he is running toe in. Toe in kills all feel on the front end, reduces turn-in...and dumbs the car down


4. OEM shocks, sway bars, and springs are like jello at high speeds, and feel downright scary at the track. The new rubber really put a lot of extra pressure on the whole system and to quote my friend (who is a BMW mechanic and races an E36) "The tires and brakes are AWESOME, and there's plenty of power, but...the suspension is crap."

Sticker tire and you expect everything to work the same?


5. The aftermarket FCABs I had on the car were @ about 30,000 miles when I put the new rubber on, and they just simply couldn't handle the task. I had Rogue engineering FCABs in the "street" compound and with OEM tire sizes or even 235/40/18 rubber, they felt fantastic. But with 265/35/18 they were simply overwhelmed. After a recent track day one of them eventually failed and the right front wheel started to move a little bit for and aft while driving, causing the car to drive really crazy again. So lesson learned about 265 rubber vs. FCABs? Tack compound.

Once again, you expect a normal FCAB to handle the task of extra load?


Terry,

Do everything Joe and David mention and you'll be fine.

[pfr]

As it happens (re: #3) the sidewall of 265/35 is SHORTER than that of the 225/45 ...

[Terry]

Coincidentally there's a ZHP here in the shop right now with BBS CH wheels with 255/35/18 tires... I know that's the stock size, but just a funny coincidence.

Dane, I'm wanting to get a larger circumference wheel to assist with the speedo reading a bit. Right now I'm on 245/35/18s and the E46 M3 is normally on 255/40/18 (same size wheel as mine which is 18x9).

So I've been between 18x9 255/40/18 and 18x9.5 265/35..Although I'm definitely going to take Eli's word for it. Kyle, I'll be ringing the Apex guys today and see what they have to say.

Again, thanks for all the insight.

-Terry

[M0nk3y]

Any update Terry?

I thought I'd let you know of a Black Friday Sale APEX is throwing.

http://myapexparts.com/APEX-files/black-friday/black-friday-wheels.jpg

May not be the ideal sizes you need, but worth a shot for some begging :)

[terraphantm]

I don't agree with this at all. Quick agility is a function of alignment (and proper pressure which I'll mention below). Go massive toe-in and ANY tire will feel like crap. Run 0 toe on the front and you can touch the steering wheel to have the car dart left or right.

That thread is an uneducated person who thought going wider wheels would results in instant success.

Let me explain



This is a function of the tire. It's called tramlining.



With traction control on, the car just sucks. Eliminate the whole system and you won't experience lock-up. I don't know what sizes he was running in the rear (probably 255s or 265s, but the same would of happened)





If you think you can fit 265s w/stock camber he obviously didn't know what he was getting into. So many sources on the internet saying -3* + for proper front tire clearance in the front, around -2* rear (this is all dependent on how you want to power down)




This one made me LOL. I'm sorry

Who would think changing a completely different tire compound would lead to the same pressures?

The PS2s are a soft sidewall, not matter what sidewall you go, you're going to have a soft feeling to the tire.

Again, is even 38 psi correct? Probably not. It's a function of tire-rollover. Since he is DDing, I assume he never checked this.

The steering feel is all on camber. I'm assuming since he just got a standard alignment, he is running toe in. Toe in kills all feel on the front end, reduces turn-in...and dumbs the car down



Sticker tire and you expect everything to work the same?



Once again, you expect a normal FCAB to handle the task of extra load?


Terry,

Do everything Joe and David mention and you'll be fine.

I don't know. On my old ZHP I moved from a 225/255 (8.0/8.5 wheels) Michelin PS2 setup to a 255/255 (8.5/8.5) PS2 setup. This is what I observed:

The car did feel less agile with the wider front tires all else equal. It's just heavier. The car still felt plenty good, but that change was the first thing I noticed. And in my ZHP's case, I did find that the car was much tougher to keep straight - it wanted to follow the road's imperfetions. I'm not talking about tramlining - that was actually considerably reduced. But if the road was in particularly bad shape (depressions forming due to weight of all cars, etc...), then I found that the I had to wrestle the car to keep it going straight.

I liked the setup well enough - it was very fun to drive around the twisties. But it did get annoying on those particularly bad roads.

BTW the guy in that link was running pilot super sports. They're far from soft sidewall tires. 36-38PSI is generally what's considered proper for the M3. I do think some of what he felt may have been simply going from worn tires to new ones. New ones always feel squishier.


Now on the M3, I'm running 245/275 (8.5F,10R). I could go wider, but in terms of driving feel, I feel pretty good here. Going wide for the sake of width is not always a good thing

I'm not sure what that guy in the link was going on about with the differential prematurely kicking in due to the wider wheels. I don't see how that's possible, and I've never experienced anything similar.

[Vas]

Mounted today some Falken tires ( factory size ) on apex arc-8 wheels which are 18x8.5 et38. Got some rubbing in the rear now however I thought I would be able to have no issues and stock suspension.

Roll fenders or get more negative camber on the rear using stock control arms?

[LTCMontana]

I'm running 19X8.5 245/35/19 on front and 19X10 265/35/19 on rear; no rubbing. I'd have to pull the wheels to check offsets.

[poke08]

I'm reviving this old thread.

I was running a set of 255/35/18's in the rear but those were shredded so I went with 255/40/18 in the rear and now I'm rubbing a little more than I expected but nothing too major. The only reason I went with the 255/40/18 is because thats what came on my car when I bought it. Then I switched to the 255/35's so I figured going back to 255/40 wouldn't be an issue. The fronts are 235/40/18 with 18x8.5 et34 BBS CK's on all 4 corners.

I planned on rolling my fenders anyways so I could lower the car a little more so now I'm curious if running a 255/40 in the rear will be an issue. I'm also curious if running these tires will throw off my speedo at all.

Thanks in advance!

[Hermes]

Surprisingly I have not replied to this...

stock staggered

245/40 front
264/35 rear

[UdubBadger]

I think that difference doesn't match size though does it JP? The fronts will be larger than the rears in diameter.


I ran 235/265 combo on mine and it was pretty full.

[Hermes]

IIRC it's a 1.6% difference biased to the front, my thinking was that the slightly extra sidewall will help make the ride a little softer. I'll eventually put the 17" style 68s I have on so there is more cushion, I just haven't had time to get around to it. Also, I drive the E21 most of the time so it's not a huge priority for me to change them at the moment

[wertyu78]

17x8.5 ET40
265/40/17 Dunlop Z1 star spec
Square


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[slater]

any spacers, wyatt? i have been contemplating those wheels, with 255/40/17's.

peter

[wertyu78]

any spacers, wyatt? i have been contemplating those wheels, with 255/40/17's.

peter

Peter, no spacers.

I'll be running 255/40/17 RS3's next.


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[fantinno]

The wheels in my sig are running 19x10 ET41 with 265/30/19 rear, 19x8 ET35 with 235/35/19 front. Needed pretty major rolling to make clearance in the rear.

[squashman702]

Can I run a 255/35R19 on a 19x8.5 ET43 square set, or would it make sense to drop it down to 255/30R19, or to a 245 wide tire?

EDIT: Stock ZHP suspension, maybe coilovers at some point. Not afraid of getting into some fender rolling or adding spacers if I have to.

[Longrangekiller]

Looking at buying a set of rims from 2011 535i 18x8 et 30 will these fit with out issue on my ZHP stock suspension.

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[cornercarver]

Thought I’d share a bit of info I discovered recently...

In my search for the right wheel & tire combo I found some interesting info on the Pilot Super Sports; I was determined to put the widest possible tire out back, and thought a 275 would fit, but then I discovered the 265 appears to have a wider tread than the 275!

Below are the specs copied directly from The Tire Rack’s website. I emailed them and they confirmed it is not a typo. So it appears a 265 will be the better choice. Guess we’ll see when I actually get around to buying wheels!

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ps; Tire Rack is having a sale on the Michelin PSS in most sizes. I needed two fronts; total was $397 shipped for (2) 235’s.

[cornercarver]

Also; FWIW I drafted up this rough dimensional drawing based on measurements of my ZHP’s DS rear wheelwell.

The wheel section and tire profile are obviously not accurate; the primary focus was to determine if I could fit a 275 on a Sportline 8s 18x9.5 ET45 in the back without rubbing the inner surface of the wheelwell or rolling the fender. I think the latter may be necessary but at least it appears it would clear the inner surface. I think a 265 will ultimately be the optimum size (see my previous post.)

BTW - the second diagram of an ET50 wheel was to see if widening an OEM 8.5” wheel by 1” would be worth the effort. (I think not.)

I’ll post back if/when I buy the wheels.

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[cornercarver]

Guys,

I'm about to order the Sportline 8s from Modbargains; Can those of you who have these confirm the 18x8.5 (ET45) clears the OEM front brake caliper?

[BMWCurves]

Guys,

I'm about to order the Sportline 8s from Modbargains; Can those of you who have these confirm the 18x8.5 (ET45) clears the OEM front brake caliper?

I think 704sw has Sportline 8S wheels and they clear his even larger than stock front 135s brake calipers

[cornercarver]

I think he had to add spacers to clear the larger brakes.

[johnrando]

Pics when installed pls!

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[cornercarver]

Pics when installed pls!
Will do. Could be a while though; Modbargains said they’re backordered and won’t ship until mid to late March.

[johnrando]

What made you decide on those? How are the reviews on them?

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[cornercarver]

What made you decide on those? How are the reviews on them?
I think they look great on the E46, they’re relatively light, and at $1160 for 4 wheels (free shipping this month too) they seeemed like the best option. 704sw has them and has said only good things about them. I think they look great on his car.

I’m going to wait on reviewing Modbargains until I actually receive the wheels. They charged my card already even though the wheels haven’t shipped. The rep said the container is due mid-March and should ship this month. I’ll update this thread when they’re in hand.

BTW: 704sw confirmed via PM they clear the OEM calipers.

[cornercarver]

Wheels arrived today.

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Hope to get the new tires mounted & balanced this Saturday...

Thought I’d check the weight before mounting & balancing; My cheap IKEA scale confirms the weight at just over 19lbs for the 18x9.5” wheel, without center cap.

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[ZHPizza]

It doesn't show in pictures, but I can confirm that these wheels have a gorgeous shape with surprising concavity. I check them out hardcore every time I see Spenser's car.

[cornercarver]

Definitely looking forward to getting them on the car. I’ve seen the photos of them on Spenser’s car and they do look fantastic for a knock-off. The concavity of the 8.5” wheel is better than I expected, and the 9.5” wheel (pictured above) is even better.

[johnrando]

Beauties!

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[slater]

It doesn't show in pictures, but I can confirm that these wheels have a gorgeous shape with surprising concavity. I check them out hardcore every time I see Spenser's car.


Definitely looking forward to getting them on the car. I’ve seen the photos of them on Spenser’s car and they do look fantastic for a knock-off. The concavity of the 8.5” wheel is better than I expected, and the 9.5” wheel (pictured above) is even better.

hmmm....

been thinking about selling my ARC-8s and getting a set of these. i love everything about the ARC-8s except the look of the wheel on the rear of the car... a staggered setup, especially one with some concavity, really looks right on these cars.

i hate being stuck on something aesthetic, but that might just be how this cookie crumbles.

[cornercarver]

I'll post some pics when I get them on... See if that sways your decision at all. :)

Spenser has a few photos of his car with Sportlines. Maybe you can ping him for the link. The pics illustrate pretty well how the rears look. They confirmed my fitment assumptions and solidified my decision prior to ordering. The photos are 'pre' H&R Sport spring install though, so I believe his car sits a bit lower now.

Be warned though; Modbargains is the only retailer for these wheels. I and at least 2 others here have had a negative experiences with them. (See my 'Modbargains Shipping Delays? (http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?21320-Modbargains-Shipping-Delays)" thread.) If you do buy, better get confirmation that they are in stock before you place your order.

[slater]

I'll post some pics when I get them on... See if that sways your decision at all. :)

Spenser has a few photos of his car with Sportlines. Maybe you can ping him for the link. The pics illustrate pretty well how the rears look. They confirmed my fitment assumptions and solidified my decision prior to ordering. The photos are 'pre' H&R Sport spring install though, so I believe his car sits a bit lower now.

Be warned though; Modbargains is the only retailer for these wheels. I and at least 2 others here have had a negative experiences with them. (See my 'Modbargains Shipping Delays? (http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?21320-Modbargains-Shipping-Delays)" thread.) If you do buy, better get confirmation that they are in stock before you place your order.

thanks, and yes - i read that thread. ;) i typically won't buy anything unless it's in stock - i'm way too impatient.

if i get them, i probably will run 235/40/18 + 265/35/18 conti extremecontact sports, or 225/40/18 + 255/35/18 PSS or PS4S.

[ZHPizza]

hmmm....

been thinking about selling my ARC-8s and getting a set of these. i love everything about the ARC-8s except the look of the wheel on the rear of the car... a staggered setup, especially one with some concavity, really looks right on these cars.

i hate being stuck on something aesthetic, but that might just be how this cookie crumbles.

Bruh I 100% agree and it is maddening. I love love love how the car drives with a square setup but it just doesn't look right. Maybe we should trade a pair of 18x9.5's for 18x8.5's so we both have a staggered set...

[slater]

Bruh I 100% agree and it is maddening. I love love love how the car drives with a square setup but it just doesn't look right. Maybe we should trade a pair of 18x9.5's for 18x8.5's so we both have a staggered set...

Dude... you might be onto something there!

But I don’t think I can make the 9.5” ET35 wheels work out back on the Touring....?


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[cornercarver]

I think this may sway you... ;)

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The fit is just about perfect. I don't like the pokey look, so this is exactly what I was looking for. Front could easily have fit a 245, and that may be the tire I replace it with in a year or two unless I can find someone to take two barely used 235's. :p

The DS rear tire rubbed once, just barely, on a big dip. If I had passengers it would have been a bigger rub. Haven't pinpointed where it's rubbing yet. Springs are OEM ZHP. I think I actually like the way it sits now. I think another 1/2" drop would be perfect, but that would rub more, and will have to wait anyway until my wallet recovers from this tire & wheel purchase...

[cornercarver]

BTW - I loaded the car up with a couple hundred lbs of ballast and the tires weren't even close to rubbing, so I guess it takes a good bump to compress it far enough to rub. I think another half degree of negative camber in the rear would keep them from rubbing altogether.

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Edited to add; I ‘massaged’ the inner fender lip with a hammer just to knock the sharper edges back a little, but they’re not “rolled” per se. I also trimmed the plastic inner fender liner at the back near the metal clip (which doesn’t exist on my car now) just in case things got too close.

During this exercise I also discovered the car has a bit of rust back there too. :(

Edit #2; It’s worth noting that with this offset, there is about 1/4” between the inside of the tire and the body at the closest point.

[slater]

that looks awesome. so you went with 235/265 PSS, and 18x8.5 ET45 front, 18x9.5 ET45 rear?

[cornercarver]

Yes sir - exactly those specs.

[danewilson77]

Really looks good.

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[holyc0w]

I think this may sway you... ;)

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That concavity on the rear

https://media.giphy.com/media/tDnxxz5uDYEwg/giphy.gif

[Newjack]

BTW - I loaded the car up with a couple hundred lbs of ballast and the tires weren't even close to rubbing, so I guess it takes a good bump to compress it far enough to rub. I think another half degree of negative camber in the rear would keep them from rubbing altogether.

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Edited to add; I ‘massaged’ the inner fender lip with a hammer just to knock the sharper edges back a little, but they’re not “rolled” per se. I also trimmed the plastic inner fender liner at the back near the metal clip (which doesn’t exist on my car now) just in case things got too close.

During this exercise I also discovered the car has a bit of rust back there too. :(

Edit #2; It’s worth noting that with this offset, there is about 1/4” between the inside of the tire and the body at the closest point.Pardon my ignorance, are you on stock suspension? Is there any drop?

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[cornercarver]

Pardon my ignorance, are you on stock suspension? Is there any drop?
Yup. Stock ZHP springs. It looks lower than others I've seen. Not sure why - could just be that it has settled more than average - but I have not lowered it. The previous owner was in his 60's and didn't strike me as the type who would drop it, so I never asked. I have all of the receipts for the car and the only spring change was in the rear, with OEM BMW springs, because the coil on one rusted/snapped at some point.

[Newjack]

Yup. Stock ZHP springs. It looks lower than others I've seen. Not sure why - could just be that it has settled more than average - but I have not lowered it. The previous owner was in his 60's and didn't strike me as the type who would drop it, so I never asked. I have all of the receipts for the car and the only spring change was in the rear, with OEM BMW springs, because the coil on one rusted/snapped at some point.Ok that makes sense. Car looks really good with those wheels btw, really fills it out.

When I First joined I saw all these guys with slammed suspensions and concave wheels with crazy offsets. I always liked the way some of them looked, but then I realized how hard it was to get the fitment right. They would run like 225 tires in the rear stretched and then another -7 degrees camber to avoid rubbing. I wanted none of that.

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[ZHPizza]

Pardon my ignorance, are you on stock suspension? Is there any drop?

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His tire sizes are a little taller than stock, so they fill the wheel wells better and reduce the perceived gap. Mine in my sig looks the same with 235's.

[cornercarver]

His tire sizes are a little taller than stock...
Not by much. Overall diameter only increases 9/32 (a tad more than 1/4") according to the specs on the Tire Rack. Not really perceptible IMHO.

[ZHPizza]

Not by much. Overall diameter only increases 9/32 (a tad more than 1/4") according to the specs on the Tire Rack. Not really perceptible IMHO.Definitely not preceptible, but the fitment looks better fo sho. Your brain can't place why since the difference is so small.