///Mphatic Black

[Avetiso]

2004 Carbon Black over Cinnamon, 6MT, 98k miles.

[mbeckel]

Get excited everyone

[Avetiso]

Get excited everyone
Huge thanks to you, of course. :biggrin

[mbeckel]

Huge thanks to you, of course. :biggrin
Always happy to help. Let me know how it drives

[Johnmadd]

Oh yeah!

[Avetiso]

ETA tomorrow, 9am.

[Johnmadd]

ETA tomorrow, 9am.

Synchronize your watches people :biggrin congrats man

[Avetiso]

Synchronize your watches people :biggrin congrats man
Thanks, John! I'm downright giddy right now, when I should be studying for my organic chemistry exam tomorrow. Timing sucks, but still, pretty darn awesome!

[OtterEffect]

In. This is about to be epic :happyspidey

[PirateZHP]

Been lurking, but I gotta let you know that I'm pumped for you and this M3, Dario!

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[Avetiso]

In. This is about to be epic :happyspidey


Been lurking, but I gotta let you know that I'm pumped for you and this M3, Dario!

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Thanks, guys!

[Hornung418]

Goodie! I'll be home by the delivery. Can you Facebook call the delivery with me?!

Sent from my GS3.

[Avetiso]

Goodie! I'll be home by the delivery. Can you Facebook call the delivery with me?!

Sent from my GS3.
Hahaha! Sure, why not.

[mbeckel]

Been lurking, but I gotta let you know that I'm pumped for you and this M3, Dario!

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Good to see you around still

[PirateZHP]

Good to see you around still

I'm here! Just not as "vocal".

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[mbeckel]

I'm here! Just not as "vocal".

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Why not? Just because you don't have your car anymore, doesn't mean that you don't have a voice here.

[PirateZHP]

Why not? Just because you don't have your car anymore, doesn't mean that you don't have a voice here.

Honestly, I've been stupidly busy. Lots of changes at work. I get on here, see what's going on, get right back off. Maybe I'll start a project thread with my Sportwagen...

Enough clogging up Dario's M3 page. I'll be around!

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[Hornung418]

Hahaha! Sure, why not.

Awesome. You Skype me as soon as the truck pulls up!

Sent from my GS3.

[Avetiso]

Awesome. You Skype me as soon as the truck pulls up!

Sent from my GS3.
Skype or Facebook?

[Hornung418]

Skype or Facebook?

FB video chat is powered by Skype? The FB option.

Sent from my GS3.

[Avetiso]

FB video chat is powered by Skype? The FB option.

Sent from my GS3.
Oh, okay. I never use so I wasn't sure. I'll get it to you. :)

[Hornung418]

Sweetness!

Sent from my GS3.

[OtterEffect]

You should record the moment on video! That would be priceless!

[Avetiso]

You should record the moment on video! That would be priceless!
It's very underwhelming. It'll be my fourth time. Trust me. :rofl

[TigerTater]

How exciting! I'll own an M one day...until then I'll just admire everyone else's

[Avetiso]

How exciting! I'll own an M one day...until then I'll just admire everyone else's
With how things are going here, you just might be the next convert.

[Hermes]

http://www.grumpysperformance.com/yodapic.jpg

[Avetiso]

http://www.grumpysperformance.com/yodapic.jpg
Goodness, just wait another 12 hours, would you? :rofl there will be pictures. :)

[Hermes]

Hahaha, I know. Just kidding :)

[TigerTater]

It's 9 am my time! :foot tap

[fredo]

It's 9:08 AM my time ... getting close !

[Avetiso]

7:10 AM here, fellas. Be patient. :)

[Avetiso]

Just got off the phone. He said about twenty minutes.

[NoVAphotog]

Subscribed. This is going to cure my case of the Monday's!

[Avetiso]

15696

[Avetiso]

15699

[fredo]

Sweet ! :like

[derbo]

im SO EXCITED, I JUST CANT HIDE IT

[Avetiso]

15700

[Hornung418]

Love it!!

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[OtterEffect]

:jawdrop congrats man!


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[slater]

looks great dario, albeit dirty. :)

excited to see your cleanup process and first impressions.

peter

[Avetiso]

Definitely a hard core SSK in her. 15701

[Avetiso]

Thanks guys! I have an exam in a few hours so as much as I can't stand to, car is parked and is waiting for me.

[cakM3]

Enjoy the ride and ///M ownership Dario! :thumbsup

[Hermes]

Finally you go a car with the correct number of doors!

[brettbimmer]

Beautiful M man! If I were to choose my perfect combo, Carbon Black over Cinnamon with a 6MT would be it! Good luck with her.

[derbo]

finally you go a car with the correct number of doors!

whoa whoa

[mbeckel]

Looks great buddy. Get some tires and enjoy that gem!

[Hermes]

whoa whoa

Ok... '3 door' shooting brakes are actually the correct number ;)

[Whammy]

Congrats!

[ELCID86]

Congrats again. I saw the pictures on FB. don't do this: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1052717

[Vas]

Put some tires on it before you do shenanigans in it. Congrats.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMBCNOphOv0

[OtterEffect]

Put some tires on it before you do shenanigans in it. Congrats.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMBCNOphOv0

That hurts to watch, but it is a reality check :( just out of curiousity, is that something DSC would have been able to save? Or at least could it have kept them on the road? Is the M3 traction control system any different than what is in the ZHP (aside from whatever tweaks are needed to support the ///M's LSD)?


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[Vas]

That hurts to watch, but it is a reality check :( just out of curiousity, is that something DSC would have been able to save? Or at least could it have kept them on the road? Is the M3 traction control system any different than what is in the ZHP (aside from whatever tweaks are needed to support the ///M's LSD)?


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That is just an idiot behind the wheel that does not know car control. Car began to slide and he had no idea how to correct it. And then him and his bros took a picture in front of it while it was on its roof.

[Oli77]

Congrats Dario! Looking good and bet feeling good too.

[johnrando]

Awesome, congrats!

[az3579]

Finally you go a car with the correct number of doors!

:facepalm


Ok... '3 door' shooting brakes are actually the correct number ;)

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[brettbimmer]

That is just an idiot behind the wheel that does not know car control. Car began to slide and he had no idea how to correct it. And then him and his bros took a picture in front of it while it was on its roof.

+1. Seemed to have fairly abrupt steering inputs and transitions before the wreck, which is never a good idea when driving at speed. Sad video.

Sent from my pineapple under the sea.

[Avetiso]

Thanks guys! It desperately needs new rear tires. I'm not taking it on the freeway until I get them. Just around town a bit, and no hoonage.

[TigerTater]

Lol @ the volt on the truck with your car...there couldn't be more different between two cars!!

[Hermes]

:facepalm



:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

lol at both of you... odd number of doors for the win

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/Homecoming%20Tour/null_zps6e3fab63.jpg

[NickZHP]

Congrats! Looks great!

[Rovert]

You might be underwhelmed....The ZHP was built to be our 4 door ///M. So just because it's down a couple doors and has double the amount of exhaust pipes, it only sounds faster. :P

[Avetiso]

Well, did some driving today. Man, this car is fast. It is far more visceral than the ZHP. You couldn't put them in the same sentence.

Already have a list of things that need to be done:

RTABs.
Small clunk in the front when hitting bumps. Pretty sure it's the sway links.
MTL into the transmission.
Nice deep cleaning.
Refresh fluids.
Inspect VANOS.
Adjust valves.

[Avetiso]

And thank you to everyone who said things here, on Facebook, and on Instagram. It's much appreciated. I've had a hell of a day, so sorry if I didn't respond directly.

[Rovert]

It's good you're living the ///MLyfe now! Go out and make it yours....screw posting stuff here every 10 mins. First thing.....go clean your car. Carbon Black was never to be that dirty. LOL

[Avetiso]

It's good you're living the ///MLyfe now! Go out and make it yours....screw posting stuff here every 10 mins. First thing.....go clean your car. Carbon Black was never to be that dirty. LOL
First things first... tires. I can't drive it anywhere with my rear tires PAST the cords.

[Rovert]

And do not let the mom know how much power that car has. Go hard on the throttle in a high gear so she thinks it's just like your ZHP. I get my kicks when I'm in 4th gear at 40mph merging.....she thinks it's like her minivan. :innocent

[Avetiso]

And do not let the mom know how much power that car has. Go hard on the throttle in a high gear so she thinks it's just like your ZHP. I get my kicks when I'm in 3rd gear at 40mph merging.....she thinks it's like her minivan. :innocent
:rofl Nah, they know it's fast. I'm not stupid behind the wheel.

[Rovert]

My mom could care less...she's not a car person. When I picked her up for the first time she just thought it was a sportier version of my sedan with two more fancy exhaust pipes. Since it's stock right now she likes how quiet it is. But she's never heard the S54's metallic asthma attack. Yet my dad goes WOT with her in his 540i and rips it to 80mph to merge and she doesn't say anything minus the scenery passing by quicker than usual.

[Avetiso]

My mom could care less...she's not a car person. When I picked her up for the first time she just thought it was a sportier version of my sedan with two more fancy exhaust pipes. Since it's stock right now she likes how quiet it is. But she's never heard the S54's metallic asthma attack. Yet my dad goes WOT with her in his 540i and rips it to 80mph to merge and she doesn't say anything minus the scenery passing by quicker than usual.
:rofl Perhaps the ///M is not fast at all, and it's the noise fooling us?

[Rovert]

I think so...the butt dyno feels like it's 100HP more but it's really just the racket of all the engine components dancing together in perfect circular unison turning that kinetic energy into hybrid like, rubber burning, oil burning, diff oil burning, fuel burning chaos.

I haven't driven my car in a week now from traveling....kinda miss her.

[az3579]

lol at both of you... odd number of doors for the win

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/shimmylasco/CSL/Homecoming%20Tour/null_zps6e3fab63.jpg

Never in production; it doesn't count. So...


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Well, did some driving today. Man, this car is fast. It is far more visceral than the ZHP. You couldn't put them in the same sentence.

Already have a list of things that need to be done:

RTABs.
Small clunk in the front when hitting bumps. Pretty sure it's the sway links.
MTL into the transmission.
Nice deep cleaning.
Refresh fluids.
Inspect VANOS.
Adjust valves.


But you love working on the car! You are the car whisperer, after all. :biggrin

[Newjack]

15696


15699


15700
http://i.imgur.com/S25EO.gif

[midlandtech]

http://i.imgur.com/S25EO.gif
Lol

[derbo]

Never in production; it doesn't count. So...


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But you love working on the car! You are the car whisperer, after all. :biggrin


LOL! That he is.

[johnrando]

Yup!

[Rovert]

Some say he pulled the handbrake while both hands were on the steering wheel and that his ///M3's interior is really moon tanned unicorn hide, but we know him as......The Car Whisperer.

[OtterEffect]

Some say he pulled the handbrake while both hands were on the steering wheel and that his ///M3's interior is really moon tanned unicorn hide, but we know him as......The Car Whisperer.

:rofl


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[Avetiso]

Some say he pulled the handbrake while both hands were on the steering wheel and that his ///M3's interior is really moon tanned unicorn hide, but we know him as......The Car Whisperer.
:rofl quotable right there.

[Avetiso]

My old tires. 15722

[Rovert]

That's past tense....which means they are history! Which means....................

[az3579]

That's past tense....which means they are history! Which means....................

Actually, that could be either past OR present tense!


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[Avetiso]

Getting some used 285/35/19. Gonna raise up my rear and throw off my speedo but at least I can drive it safely.

[Avetiso]

I haz meat.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/23/5bfd4bcc76fc700886db99aeb2e0587f.jpg

[Rovert]

You must have bought a special ///M package. I can't hang mine up on the wall like yours!

[Avetiso]

You must have bought a special ///M package. I can't hang mine up on the wall like yours!
Nah, android. Lol.

[Avetiso]

No time for a hand wash. Forgive me.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/23/71ca8a179cc3e6af9472ce973fdaa10c.jpg

[Avetiso]

Oh, and she needs a new Tstat. :)

[kakashi169]

Nice Dario. I can't wait to see what you do with the new M.

Please don't disappoint =p

[OtterEffect]

Nice Dario. I can't wait to see what you do with the new M.

Please don't disappoint =p

He won't. Trust me.


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[Avetiso]

:biggrin

[Rovert]

I do the same Dario. LOL. Except your car seems to have photoshoots behind and in front of Hybrids. Is this a foreshadow?

[Avetiso]

I do the same Dario. LOL. Except your car seems to have photoshoots behind and in front of Hybrids. Is this a foreshadow?
Porsche Spyder tech coming soon. :)

[Rovert]

How do the 285's hook up with the concrete? Is it a decent match?

The 255's on my car lets the devil out from the fiery depths of Earth's core. It's just a dual rubber burner if in not careful.

[Avetiso]

How do the 285's hook up with the concrete? Is it a decent match?

The 255's on my car lets the devil out from the fiery depths of Earth's core. It's just a dual rubber burner if in not careful.
Well with the 3.91 it's still not difficult to get them spinning. DSC still kicks in throughout all of first gear.

[az3579]

Well with the 3.91 it's still not difficult to get them spinning. DSC still kicks in throughout all of first gear.

The trashed tires weren't helping. lol
Does it do that even with the new tires?

[Avetiso]

The trashed tires weren't helping. lol
Does it do that even with the new tires?
Well yeah that's what I mean. Now that I have the 285's on there... But it still spins easily.

[Rovert]

Dat Esss Fiddy Foh haz dah puh puh puh POWWWWW ERRRRRRRR!!!!


Just don't let her wheel hop. That's like M3 self destruction if you force it to wheel hop when traction is lost.

[Avetiso]

So I met up with a friend today and we looked over the car and we've discovered that the rear right quarter has been replaced and the majority of the right side of the car has been repainted. Luckily, they did a pretty damn good job. Just need to cut and polish a few spots with orange peel and it'll look original. :)

Just another example of what I've said before: just because CarFax said it doesn't mean jack.

Oh, and I freaking love this car? I just maxed out first and second gear to show my brother what it's like and he was blown away. :) I hate that I'm so busy this week. I'm dying to clean her up and do some small stuff to her, but I don't have the time!

[Rovert]

LOL. Welcome to club ///M Dario. You won't be a car whisperer anymore. The car screamer.

[Avetiso]

LOL. Welcome to club ///M Dario. You won't be a car whisperer anymore. The car screamer.
I got to drive my friend's M3 today, too. It's ferocious. New rod bearings and the engine has been refreshed up and down, UUC SSK, Gruppe M, and Megan Racing axel-back. It was epic. It showed me that much as I love my M3... it can be much, much better.

[Rovert]

You mean your savings account can get lower and lower.

[Avetiso]

You mean your savings account can get lower and lower.
I didn't realize that was possible... :biggrin

[Rovert]

I'll test this theory next spring when I speed up this cars handling. LOL

[JupiterBMW]

Beautiful car Dario. At first I didn't like it, but a closer look and I started eyeballing Carbon Black, its an amazing color...

I will have to agree with Trevor though...

I've come to realize that the '///M' on the back of certain BMWs stands for MONEY... And those 3 little forward slashes before the M, those are like multipliers, because everything is 3x as expensive as it is on a non-M version of the same vehicle...

///M = ///Money and ///Maintenance

Oh yeah, enjoy it. :biggrin

[Rovert]

It's not really that bad. I have many local friends who have come from 330's and went to ///M3's as daily drivers. As long as you do the preventative just like any other car and source it from a quality place online, maintenance cost will not be that bad.

The only cost that I see that will be more significant is 20% additional fuel, an $80 DIY oil change vs $40, rear diff fluid is two to three times the cost as non-M. Luckily most of those fluid costs spread out over mileage which makes it small.

VANOS bullet proofing is a few hundred just as the VANOS seals/rattle kit was for my ZHP.

The cooling system is built a bit more tough so there shouldn't be any sudden ET explosions. A standard water pump is the cost of a nice Stewart pump for a non-M.

Subframe reinforcements are similar to any E46 cost but with more power it's easier to weaken prematurely if you aren't smooth on the throttle.

It's going to be a learning process but I'm ready for the journey. Dario make sure you keep a decent budget for your "new-to-you" car and treat her with a lot of respect. She can bite back quicker if you let your guard down.

An LSD gives you more control but first you must know how to react fast to it. I was out in the wet tonight and I goosed it too much on a left turn and needed a speedy countersteer to keep the car on it's track. I did it on purpose but the speed of how it loss traction was much faster than our ZHP. This car will stretch your skills, limits and fears but she'll reward you with an amazing experience as you learn her driving dynamics.

[slater]

This car will stretch your skills, limits and fears but she'll reward you with an amazing experience as you learn her driving dynamics.

sounds a lot like an air-cooled 911!

peter

[Vas]

So I met up with a friend today and we looked over the car and we've discovered that the rear right quarter has been replaced and the majority of the right side of the car has been repainted.


This sucks. Downside of buying a car out of state.

[Avetiso]

This sucks. Downside of buying a car out of state.
I suppose. Then again, I knew it could happen. Expecting perfect for 17.5k is not reasonable.

[az3579]

I suppose. Then again, I knew it could happen. Expecting perfect for 17.5k is not reasonable.

At least the repairs were performed properly! :thumbsup

[Avetiso]

At least the repairs were performed properly! :thumbsup
It looks pretty good. Not enough clear in a few spots and it orange peeled, but I can cut that down with a polisher and make it look nice.

[mbeckel]

It looks pretty good. Not enough clear in a few spots and it orange peeled, but I can cut that down with a polisher and make it look nice.
So it's fair to say that you're happy with the car overall?

[Avetiso]

So it's fair to say that you're happy with the car overall?
Absolutely.

[derbo]

Even if it has some replacement parts and some subpar paint, I still think it was an amazing deal especially sight unseen. :)

[Avetiso]

Even if it has some replacement parts and some subpar paint, I still think it was an amazing deal especially sight unseen. :)
I definitely think so. I have some weird creaking from the back though. I think I need to take a look at the suspension. I might lift it up this weekend and scope some stuff out.

[cakM3]

I definitely think so. I have some weird creaking from the back though. I think I need to take a look at the suspension. I might lift it up this weekend and scope some stuff out.

Hope your rear subframe is A-Okay Dario!!!

[Avetiso]

Hope your rear subframe is A-Okay Dario!!!
It's been dealt with by BMW already. At 66k miles. Maybe it went bad again, but I doubt it.

[OtterEffect]

It's been dealt with by BMW already. At 66k miles. Maybe it went bad again, but I doubt it.

Would it be possible that your new, reinforced subframe, could put more stress and wear on the stock suspension and components?


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[Avetiso]

Would it be possible that your new, reinforced subframe, could put more stress and wear on the stock suspension and components?


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No. The subframe needed more strength to withstand the suspension, not the other way around.

[cakM3]

then perhaps it's something suspension related since you have your subframe reinforced.....hopefully it's something simple. :) I don't think it will be your subframe since BMW did the reinforcement.

[Rovert]

If a chassis is repaired to do what a properly designed car should do, then premature wear of suspension components from a working chassis would be the least of concern. There is another underlying issue that must be diagnosed and found!

[alexandre]

Most likely shock mounts or RTAB. Back to the basics :thumbsup

[Avetiso]

Most likely shock mounts or RTAB. Back to the basics :thumbsup
Everybody panic because M car. :rofl

[Avetiso]

Thanks guys. It's a project. I'm just elated to be in an E46 again. What driving should be.

[alexandre]

Thanks guys. It's a project. I'm just elated to be in an E46 again. What driving should be.

Always a project. I wish I could let go and just drive mine into the ground... But then I find myself fixing some random OCD shit all the time!!

[Vas]

since BMW did the reinforcement.

Not always a good thing. Could have been some tech that did a half-ass job. Hope that is not the case.

[Avetiso]

Not always a good thing. Could have been some tech that did a half-ass job. Hope that is not the case.
Also possible. But, I could use that against them to get them to do it right, possibly. I hope that's not the case, of course.

[derbo]

I definitely think so. I have some weird creaking from the back though. I think I need to take a look at the suspension. I might lift it up this weekend and scope some stuff out.

I had weird creaking and it was from my Sway bar d bracket bushings being dry :)

[Avetiso]

I had weird creaking and it was from my Sway bar d bracket bushings being dry :)
No point in guessing. I'll take a look later this week.

[cakM3]

Also possible. But, I could use that against them to get them to do it right, possibly. I hope that's not the case, of course.

Exactly! I agree Dario....hopefully this is not the case. :thumbsup

[derbo]

No point in guessing. I'll take a look later this week.

Yea agreed. It was merely a suggestion of a place to look as well. :)

[Avetiso]

Yea agreed. It was merely a suggestion of a place to look as well. :)
Come to sac and let's check it out.

[HokieZHP]

Like the new ride Dario!

Enjoy

[JupiterBMW]

It's not really that bad. I have many local friends who have come from 330's and went to ///M3's as daily drivers. As long as you do the preventative just like any other car and source it from a quality place online, maintenance cost will not be that bad.

The only cost that I see that will be more significant is 20% additional fuel, an $80 DIY oil change vs $40, rear diff fluid is two to three times the cost as non-M. Luckily most of those fluid costs spread out over mileage which makes it small.

I suppose its not as drastic when you're talking about a 10 year old E46, but I've found that the price difference between non M E70s and our X5 is staggering... Bear with me for a moment... OEM front rotors... $415/each.

[Rovert]

^ O M G.......((dies on floor))

[Avetiso]

Hit 99k today. Also found out my outer LEDs have already been activated.
15746

[Lanister]

Dario! Congrats brotha! Beautiful find!

[Avetiso]

Dario! Congrats brotha! Beautiful find!
Look who it is! Thanks, Giya.

[Rovert]

Outer LEDs are on dim when the headlight or parking lights are on. Braking is coded in NA to only use the inside portion. The outter portion will go from dim to bright if you have tripped the adaptive brake light function.

[Avetiso]

Outer LEDs are on dim when the headlight or parking lights are on. Braking is coded in NA to only use the inside portion. The outter portion will go from dim to bright if you have tripped the adaptive brake light function.
Oh, never mind then! Thought they only turned on ever during hard braking.

[Rovert]

When the lights aren't on in the daytime, the outer LEDs won't light up unless you're slowing down in a hurry.

[az3579]

Oh, never mind then! Thought they only turned on ever during hard braking.


When the lights aren't on in the daytime, the outer LEDs won't light up unless you're slowing down in a hurry.

This ^. The outer rings stay dim at all times the lights are on except for when Adaptive Brake lights are engaged, then they get bright.

I think this is demonstrated in one of my track videos where I'm following an M3...

[Avetiso]

Wow this diff just wants to spin. Some light rain fell out in Sacramento; really gotta be gentle with the throttle. A few accidental wheel spins from first and a slight slide in second. Not even over 3k rpm on any of those. 285s in back and it's like they aren't even there.

This is definitely not a ZHP.

[Rovert]

LOL the rears spin easily in first or second during a turn in the rain. She'll slip and force you to quickly countersteer. Get used to it if you aren't, and force yourself to test DSC in safe right turns. The back will throw out a few feet before DSC kicks in but with some finesse you'll learn to react to it subconsciously so when the big thing really happens, you'll be completely ready.

[OtterEffect]

I think that sounds really fun :p it keeps you on your toes at all times I guess.


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[ELCID86]

Wow this diff just wants to spin. Some light rain fell out in Sacramento; really gotta be gentle with the throttle. A few accidental wheel spins from first and a slight slide in second. Not even over 3k rpm on any of those. 285s in back and it's like they aren't even there.

This is definitely not a ZHP.

And don't pull one like the M video Dane posted.


Thumbs, iPhone, Tapatalk.

[Rovert]

Yeah no 90mph drifts. Only 2mph. LOL

[mbeckel]

Wow this diff just wants to spin. Some light rain fell out in Sacramento; really gotta be gentle with the throttle. A few accidental wheel spins from first and a slight slide in second. Not even over 3k rpm on any of those. 285s in back and it's like they aren't even there.

This is definitely not a ZHP.
Think of it this way, the wider the tire, the more water it has to push. The diff isn't doing you any favors in the rain either. You'll get it dialed in with seat time.

[iZHP]

Sweet ride, Dario. Great color combo!


This ^. The outer rings stay dim at all times the lights are on except for when Adaptive Brake lights are engaged, then they get bright.

I think this is demonstrated in one of my track videos where I'm following an M3...

Mine blink... :p

[az3579]

Sweet ride, Dario. Great color combo!



Mine blink... :p

You're welcome. :biggrin

[Avetiso]

Some hoonage. If you have never had a LSD...

You need a LSD. How did I live without this?
15751

[Rovert]

Already!?? It just did it two nights ago finally. It took me 4 months to build up the courage. LOL

[Avetiso]

Already!?? It just did it two nights ago finally. It took me 4 months to build up the courage. LOL
Ha! I paid $60 for these tires. They are hoonage grade. Plus, I needed to see if I made any noises when the subframe was under stress.

Silence. :)

[Rovert]

Mine's not glorious looking and it's hard to see what I was doing. I was mostly counter steered going around in circles in a tight arc and then I hit the throttle for too long and she completely span me. So I timed the throttle with steering to land in the direction of my escape. LOL. This car needs much more room to hold this or I was chicken with the throttle since I didn't want to boost into anything that doesn't move if my car decides to kiss it. You can hear my slightly understeering since the arc was tight and traction could be lost so easily. Some people do it like a brake stand but I didn't feel like subjecting my car to domestic abuse....no pun intended.

I did try to walk it briefly but the rear wheels did the wheel hop so I quit doing that instantly. All I can say is it's so easy to learn the control of an LSD. It's very predictable.



http://vimeo.com/107217194

[NoVAphotog]

Some hoonage. If you have never had a LSD...

You need a LSD. How did I live without this?
15751

Why is this not a motion picture? And yeah...I'm saving up exclusively for an LSD for my ZHP, I think it really is the best mod, the ZHP Package would have been complete with the "BMW Performance M-Variable Lock Limited Slip Differential" added to the list. Would have put it RIGHT in the middle between the 330 and M3 instead of 1/4 of the way there.

[Rovert]

It's really nice. Once it starts to lose traction the car will always rotate slower or faster with small throttle adjustments. Just slowly ease throttle while countering and it returns to your desired line with no jerking around like an open diff. While the open diff can rotate, it takes a lot handy work to unbalance the rear correctly for a smooth rotation.

I was just revving in my video and you can see as the RPMs increased the rate of rotation sped up. It was interesting to play with.

[Avetiso]

Amateur hoonage.
http://youtu.be/CAgRfoAM7Bs

[Rovert]

The video is set to private!!

[Avetiso]

The video is set to private!!
Fixed.

[OtterEffect]

.....must buy LSD :shifty


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[Rovert]

LOL having fun.

To take advantage of that nice slippery surface, you want to get the car moving in a circle first. Get it to a speed where you've used 70% of your traction then firmly put on throttle until the rear tires loose traction. Once rear traction is lost you must make sure it stays lost or else the tires will grip and it'll instantly plant the rear. Harder said than done when learning and getting used to it without going overboard. It's also easier with a stiffer suspension. My ZHP was setup so oversteer much more easy than a stock M3, but the open diff limited the smoothness a LSD offers. I'm taking this way too seriously. I'm having just as much fun as you Dario and I've had it for few months longer. Every drive is exciting like my ZHP after 10 years. I miss that car...her body was turned to scrap metal which was worth $25. LOL

[Avetiso]

LOL having fun.

To take advantage of that nice slippery surface, you want to get the car moving in a circle first. Get it to a speed where you've used 70% of your traction then firmly put on throttle until the rear tires loose traction. Once rear traction is lost you must make sure it stays lost or else the tires will grip and it'll instantly plant the rear. Harder said than done when learning and getting used to it without going overboard. It's also easier with a stiffer suspension. My ZHP was setup so oversteer much more easy than a stock M3, but the open diff limited the smoothness a LSD offers. I'm taking this way too seriously. I'm having just as much fun as you Dario and I've had it for few months longer. Every drive is exciting like my ZHP after 10 years. I miss that car...her body was turned to scrap metal which was worth $25. LOL
I love the feeling of the power breaking traction; but I'll admit... Amateur. :biggrin it's so much fun, though.

And I'm still sad over your ZHP. :(

[Rovert]

I'm good friends with the twins who bought my ZHP and made a crapload of money off of it from all the mods. They're a good bunch of kids who do all car work out of their home so they're a good resource to have if i needed some heavy duty help. I've already gotten little things that they salvaged off my ZHP to put into my M3, so I'm kinda nostalgic that I still have pieces of ZHP in my //M3. :) Now I'm getting all watery eyed. Time to go out and hoon!

[Avetiso]

I'm good friends with the twins who bought my ZHP and made a crapload of money off of it from all the mods. They're a good bunch of kids who do all car work out of their home so they're a good resource to have if i needed some heavy duty help. I've already gotten little things that they salvaged off my ZHP to put into my M3, so I'm kinda nostalgic that I still have pieces of ZHP in my //M3. :) Now I'm getting all watery eyed. Time to go out and hoon!
Enjoy. Great way to forget your earlier cars for a bit. :)

[derbo]

hooning is fun. :)

[az3579]

hooning is fun. :)

What is hooning??? :dunno


Wish I had the balls to have more fun in my car on a regular basis. :(

[derbo]

What is hooning??? :dunno


Wish I had the balls to have more fun in my car on a regular basis. :(

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hooning


The act of being a hoon or driving recklessly, racing, doing burnouts etc.
Hey Blake, I'm feeling the need for speed and want to burn some rubber, you wanna come hooning?

[JupiterBMW]

Glad you're having fun with the new ///M Dario... I didn't get a chance to with ours before I left home, which is ok.. I'm scared to fool around in something to big, and not to mention X-drive will probably take a lot of the fun out of it... Ah well, enjoy it and take care of it!

[Rovert]

LOL Joops. 12.6MPG. I've been getting 23MPG with my last tank and I haven't babied it too much. Dario don't worry about fuel yet or it'll destroy you. LOL

[Avetiso]

Glad you're having fun with the new ///M Dario... I didn't get a chance to with ours before I left home, which is ok.. I'm scared to fool around in something to big, and not to mention X-drive will probably take a lot of the fun out of it... Ah well, enjoy it and take care of it!
Thanks, Jon! I didn't know your X5M was X-drive.

[Avetiso]

Well, first round of stuff ordered.

6x NGK plugs
3 quarts Redline MTL
2 quarts Redline 75w140 for diff
Cabin air filter
Intake air filter
2 new front sway links + bolts
Roundel grommets to reinstall original BMW emblems and lose the CF ones
Some interior cleaning supplies

[mbeckel]

Well, first round of stuff ordered.

6x NGK plugs
3 quarts Redline MTL
2 quarts Redline 75w140 for diff
Cabin air filter
Intake air filter
2 new front sway links + bolts
Roundel grommets to reinstall original BMW emblems and lose the CF ones
Some interior cleaning supplies
Do work son!

[JupiterBMW]

Thanks, Jon! I didn't know your X5M was X-drive.

Yeah man, all the X vehicles are X-drive, with the exception of a few of the newest models, you can get entry level trims with S-drive (RWD).

[mbeckel]

Yeah man, all the X vehicles are X-drive, with the exception of a few of the newest models, you can get entry level trims with S-drive (RWD).
You don't really need AWD in Florida. Or do you?

[Avetiso]

Also ordered LiquiMoly 10w60 and a Mahle oil filter.

[JupiterBMW]

You don't really need AWD in Florida. Or do you?

No not really. It's nice to have in the rain, and I really like having it with the power in the ///M. But otherwise not needed. Just contributes to fuel suckage.

[Avetiso]

Yeah man, all the X vehicles are X-drive, with the exception of a few of the newest models, you can get entry level trims with S-drive (RWD).
Interesting. I suppose that makes sense although I'd RWD would be nice.

[JupiterBMW]

Interesting. I suppose that makes sense although I'd RWD would be nice.

It'd be spin city with a RWD X5M...

[Rovert]

ZACTLY. That's the only point in an SUV that has a completely absurd amount of torque. Practicality is no such definition associated to an X5M. BMW....you should have known better. LOL

[az3579]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hooning

I know what hooning is... I just never hoon so it's as though I didn't know. :p

[Hornung418]

Some hoonage. If you have never had a LSD...

You need a LSD. How did I live without this?
15751

Yeah...the 3.38 LSD in the turbo is friggin awesome. Both wheels spinning on launch is the best! Just need a new transmission mount to really feel comfortable in first gear dumping the clutch on boost.

The M3 I test drove needed some things, but I could really romp on it and not feel bad. I enjoyed driving it and in the future I will have one, but a sub 3,000 lb car with a worked engine really does it for me right now.

In for maintenance!

Sent from my GS3.

[Pip]

How'd you like the agency power exhaust? I'm sure it was cool for the time you were driving but try and pay attention to the drone. You'll notice the OEM exhaust has the same drone, but it is hard to hear because of the muffler casing/fiber. It's really hard to improve the sound of these cars without headers and if you do headers the dB increases as well. The engine noise is substantially louder on the M3 compared to the 330, but really no intake noise.

[Avetiso]

How'd you like the agency power exhaust? I'm sure it was cool for the time you were driving but try and pay attention to the drone. You'll notice the OEM exhaust has the same drone, but it is hard to hear because of the muffler casing/fiber. It's really hard to improve the sound of these cars without headers and if you do headers the dB increases as well. The engine noise is substantially louder on the M3 compared to the 330, but really no intake noise.

I've never heard the agency power exhaust... Or perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean.

[Avetiso]

Yeah...the 3.38 LSD in the turbo is friggin awesome. Both wheels spinning on launch is the best! Just need a new transmission mount to really feel comfortable in first gear dumping the clutch on boost.

The M3 I test drove needed some things, but I could really romp on it and not feel bad. I enjoyed driving it and in the future I will have one, but a sub 3,000 lb car with a worked engine really does it for me right now.

In for maintenance!

Sent from my GS3.
Yup. Getting ready to do some werk!

[Pip]

I've never heard the agency power exhaust... Or perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean.

Nvm I must have read something somewhere else. I thought you drove a friends M3 with a AP or SGT exhaust. I sometimes mix up stuff between forums.

[Avetiso]

So my rear right wheel is cambered in a harder than the left, which is why that tire was worn so hard. I'm not sure why that is so, so I'm going to take it to my alignment shop Monday morning to see if they can tell me what it is. Best case scenario it's a bad alignment, worst case is bent body metal from the accident to the rear right. However, I did some digging in the trunk and it doesn't look like the rear shock tower was worked on so I don't think that's the case. We'll see.

[Avetiso]

In any case, next paycheck will yield new RSMs and RTABs.

[Rovert]

So do you drive with sport on or not Dario?

[Avetiso]

So do you drive with sport on or not Dario?
Off. If I need a boost in throttle response I just turn on my sprint booster.

[Rovert]

You have sprint as well? [emoji33] can you use either or?

[Avetiso]

You have sprint as well? [emoji33] can you use either or?
I'm not sure if the effects stack. I'd have to experiment.

[Rovert]

Sport feels too crazy in the city. It makes the car buck. LOL. But in the open road sport is a devil!

[Avetiso]

Sport feels too crazy in the city. It makes the car buck. LOL. But in the open road sport is a devil!
I let my dad drive it and he was bucking on regular response. :rofl

[Rovert]

He was testing for any rear subframe sounds!!

What did he think of the car? Or is he used to driving a 458 Italia? LOL

[Avetiso]

He was testing for any rear subframe sounds!!

What did he think of the car? Or is he used to driving a 458 Italia? LOL
He hates it. He loves a nice, soft, spacious car. The M3 is the antithesis.

[Rovert]

Antithesis....LOL. Nice one.

I used DashCommand to check the throttle positions with sport on and off last night and this is what I found:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KOd-kK62nAA/VCZpVBJpWAI/AAAAAAAASwE/i79K1JIwnp0/w1002-h627-no/BMW%2BE46%2BM3%2BThrottle%2BPosition%2BComparison% 2B3D.png

This 2D version might be easier to understand:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-btV2GJJ8-to/VCZpV50Ck4I/AAAAAAAASwI/kBvYyx__5rg/w1002-h599-no/BMW%2BE46%2BM3%2BThrottle%2BPosition%2BComparison% 2B2D.png

[Pip]

I want to get a tune just so the sport can be useful. It is so drastic even when changing to sport for spirited drives it takes some getting used to. Usually the first launch is clutch slip and a chirp or burn out lol

[Avetiso]

I want to get a tune just so the sport can be useful. It is so drastic even when changing to sport for spirited drives it takes some getting used to. Usually the first launch is clutch slip and a chirp or burn out lol
I have that happen to me quite a bit. :rofl

[Avetiso]

Just placed an order for:

RE transmission mounts
RE RSMs
RE RTABs
2x RE wheel mounting pins

Gonna get this car sorted out. :)

Now I just need to wait for someone to vandalize or sideswipe so I can buy a full repaint on it! :biggrin

[Avetiso]

I also ordered an AUX cable.

[ELCID86]

Is the paint that bad?


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[Avetiso]

Is the paint that bad?


Tapatalk on iPad
No. I'm just being weird. The car looks fine and most people would never notice.

[az3579]

So my rear right wheel is cambered in a harder than the left, which is why that tire was worn so hard. I'm not sure why that is so, so I'm going to take it to my alignment shop Monday morning to see if they can tell me what it is. Best case scenario it's a bad alignment, worst case is bent body metal from the accident to the rear right. However, I did some digging in the trunk and it doesn't look like the rear shock tower was worked on so I don't think that's the case. We'll see.


In any case, next paycheck will yield new RSMs and RTABs.

The RTABs and alignment should fix this issue. I had the same exact issue; worn RTABs.


Off. If I need a boost in throttle response I just turn on my sprint booster.

Sport button is way better than SB, IMO. It's way more polished.

[eurosonic]

Congrats on the car man. It looks fantastic and well kept. No need to worry on imperfections. Like any car it just needs to be cleaned up to the new owners standards. Let me know if you need any help wrenching.

[alexandre]

I would have loved to have a repainted car, as long as the job was done properly... I'm glad my car's paint shows its mileage since I live in the city. The dents that sometimes appear randomly don't stand out! But then I see your point, especially since your OB sedan was clear of any body work. I'd be crazy OCD about my paint if I had a low-mileage car with a virgin body :rofl

[Avetiso]

Congrats on the car man. It looks fantastic and well kept. No need to worry on imperfections. Like any car it just needs to be cleaned up to the new owners standards. Let me know if you need any help wrenching.
Thanks. And I will.

I would have loved to have a repainted car, as long as the job was done properly... I'm glad my car's paint shows its mileage since I live in the city. The dents that sometimes appear randomly don't stand out! But then I see your point, especially since your OB sedan was clear of any body work. I'd be crazy OCD about my paint if I had a low-mileage car with a virgin body :rofl
I'd give this job a 7/10. It cut use a good cut and polish in a few places.

[Avetiso]

Got her smogged this morning. Passed just fine although I didn't look at the numbers to see how close.

[derbo]

officially registered!!!

[Vas]

I'd give this job a 7/10. It cut use a good cut and polish in a few places.

Problem with this is that you don't know how thick the clear coat is. Otherwise you could wet-sand it and then buff it to get rid of the orange peel. Also no clue what kind of clearcoat is on there so if its something cheap like Omni, it does not have a good life span. Stuff like PPG 3000 for example lasts up to 10 years. Omni half of that or even less if its thin.

[Rovert]

If you know a detailed really well,the might even let you use their digital clear coat meter. Those things don't come cheap.

[Avetiso]

Problem with this is that you don't know how thick the clear coat is. Otherwise you could wet-sand it and then buff it to get rid of the orange peel. Also no clue what kind of clearcoat is on there so if its something cheap like Omni, it does not have a good life span. Stuff like PPG 3000 for example lasts up to 10 years. Omni half of that or even less if its thin.
True. It's in a spot that is hardly noticeable, though. No big deal.

If you know a detailed really well,the might even let you use their digital clear coat meter. Those things don't come cheap.
I don't really know anyone.

[Avetiso]

At home yesterday.
15823

[Rovert]

Look at all those toys. That's a beautiful picture!!

[Avetiso]

Look at all those toys. That's a beautiful picture!!
Thanks!

[mbeckel]

At home yesterday.
15823
:drool

[Pip]

Probably a better place to put this, but want to meet up this weekend if you're free?

[Avetiso]

Probably a better place to put this, but want to meet up this weekend if you're free?
Sure. I can know my timing better closer to the weekend. When are you free?

[Pip]

Sure. I can know my timing better closer to the weekend. When are you free?

I'll text you. Thought I might hook Derek or someone else lol

[OtterEffect]

Holy crap that pictures is gorgeous. I think it will be time soon for another NorCal meet!


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[Johal E32]

in for a nor cal meet. I know four other E46's that will swing by, and perhaps my other buddy with his m5.. Lets set a date! I say treasure island, SF for the location!

Car looks nice Dario, congrats! p.s. I know someone who can detail cars ;) !

[johnrando]

That pic is a beauty! Congrats on registration.

[Avetiso]

Holy crap that pictures is gorgeous. I think it will be time soon for another NorCal meet!


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in for a nor cal meet. I know four other E46's that will swing by, and perhaps my other buddy with his m5.. Lets set a date! I say treasure island, SF for the location!

Car looks nice Dario, congrats! p.s. I know someone who can detail cars ;) !
Don't tease me, guys. We've tried this. :biggrin

That pic is a beauty! Congrats on registration.
Thanks, rando!

[yura]

Great car, Dario - congrats! This thread desperately needs more high-quality photos, though!

[mbeckel]

Great car, Dario - congrats! This thread desperately needs more high-quality photos, though!
+1

[Avetiso]

Great car, Dario - congrats! This thread desperately needs more high-quality photos, though!


+1
Thanks! She needs some work, though. I'm slammbed with school and work right now so maybe in a few weeks.

[mbeckel]

Thanks! She needs some work, though. I'm slammbed with school and work right now so maybe in a few weeks.
Just send it my way brother. I'll get it worked out for you. My zhp can be your loaner

[Avetiso]

Just send it my way brother. I'll get it worked out for you. My zhp can be your loaner
:rofl no thanks. Much as this car has stressed me out with some of the issues, I still don't think I could give up the S54. I still love it. :)

[Rovert]

Wow already??? That was a fast falling in love. Or is it lust right now? LOL

[derbo]

Wow already??? That was a fast falling in love. Or is it lust right now? LOL

Honeymoon isnt over just yet. :)

[Avetiso]

Wow already??? That was a fast falling in love. Or is it lust right now? LOL


Honeymoon isnt over just yet. :)
Perhaps. But I really do believe that there is a barrier at around 300hp that differentiates cars. I never felt like this in the ZHP.

[Rovert]

Have you driven a 335 before? That has a different feel to it as well. The ///M just has a more mechanical feeling than the "softer" 335.

[OtterEffect]

Have you driven a 335 before? That has a different feel to it as well. The ///M just has a more mechanical feeling than the "softer" 335.

I'd love to drive one and see if it feels "soft" to me. But I feel that, in general the more visceral the experience, the more intoxicating the experience. Kind of like having a really nice exhaust on a Porsche boxer with the top down... In a tunnel. As opposed to stomping it a V8 Hyundai Genesis. :dunno


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[Rovert]

There is defiantly something more emotional about wringing out the S54 in between 5000 and 8000 to get the power versus just stomping on the throttle of a turbo car to have near instant torque at 2000. The 335's torque band is preferred in the city where it's unpredictable, whereas on a predictable open road, the S54 has this intoxicating race engine sound that is addicting to hear!

[Pip]

I completely agree with you Trevor. Also why I think having a zhp and an m or an m and something else would be ideal. The m can be a daily, but it does flirt with being too awesome for a daily because it just begs and begs for your foot to push harder and faster to the floor. It just doesn't like soft daily driving. It wants rough, hard, fast, loud, and curves. Now I think I'll go on a drive this morning lol

[Rovert]

I'm starting to enjoy the "coded" M track mode now that I'm getting used to and trusting the LSD. This is a great (and not so great) thing as it adds a new and expensive dimension to RWD from the ZHP. LOL. Yes tires....

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/04/520e26d55b2cd7d468bc205cf13ed2ec.jpg

Dario do you plan any auto X or track action for your car or is this going to be your daily driver?

[Avetiso]

Have you driven a 335 before? That has a different feel to it as well. The ///M just has a more mechanical feeling than the "softer" 335.
Never drove one.

I'm starting to enjoy the "coded" M track mode now that I'm getting used to and trusting the LSD. This is a great (and not so great) thing as it adds a new and expensive dimension to RWD from the ZHP. LOL. Yes tires....

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/04/520e26d55b2cd7d468bc205cf13ed2ec.jpg

Dario do you plan any auto X or track action for your car or is this going to be your daily driver?
No real plans to race it. Maybe an event now and again but nothing consistent.

[Rovert]

Oh and when you got your car your tires were on chords too...was yours equivalent to my wear? Just a tad left on the outside which is perfect!.Time for rubber on Monday morning!

[Avetiso]

Oh and when you got your car your tires were on chords too...was yours equivalent to my wear? Just a tad left on the outside which is perfect!.Time for rubber on Monday morning!
That's what they looked like! I didn't burn them, though. Replaced them ASAP.

[Rovert]

That's great! The wear is even throughout which means there won't be any pain in the ass. LOL

[Avetiso]

That's great! The wear is even throughout which means there won't be any pain in the ass. LOL
Doing some rear end works either way. New RTABs and RSMs. Among other stuffs. :)

[az3579]

Have you driven a 335 before? That has a different feel to it as well. The ///M just has a more mechanical feeling than the "softer" 335.


There is defiantly something more emotional about wringing out the S54 in between 5000 and 8000 to get the power versus just stomping on the throttle of a turbo car to have near instant torque at 2000. The 335's torque band is preferred in the city where it's unpredictable, whereas on a predictable open road, the S54 has this intoxicating race engine sound that is addicting to hear!

S54 > N54. All day long.
S54 is the real deal. N54 is a pretender. Turbos are cheating, plain and simple. I appreciate the work that goes into building something naturally aspirated. Putting turbos on something is the lazy way out, IMO.

[Avetiso]

So, I think I'm going to undertake a project next summer. If I can get some insurance money down the line (sideswipe, parking accident, etc), I might consider:

Fully sanding down and prepping the car for paint myself and paying someone to paint it. Total cost would be about $1,500-$2,500. Colors considered would be a simple respray, some type of orange metallic, or Technoviolet. Maybe something else.

Or, sand the car down and prep for paint. Primer it all, and the. Vinyl wrap it. Similar cost, but I could do something along the lines of matte gray or matte red.

In the meantime... Maintenance.

[Avetiso]

Started my notebook for maintenance. 15864

[mbeckel]

So, I think I'm going to undertake a project next summer. If I can get some insurance money down the line (sideswipe, parking accident, etc), I might consider:

Fully sanding down and prepping the car for paint myself and paying someone to paint it. Total cost would be about $1,500-$2,500. Colors considered would be a simple respray, some type of orange metallic, or Technoviolet. Maybe something else.

Or, sand the car down and prep for paint. Primer it all, and the. Vinyl wrap it. Similar cost, but I could do something along the lines of matte gray or matte red.

In the meantime... Maintenance.
Repaint is a good idea. I'm not a fan of wrapping. Stick to the color it is IMO. That combo is SICK!

[Avetiso]

Repaint is a good idea. I'm not a fan of wrapping. Stick to the color it is IMO. That combo is SICK!
Most likely option. Then again, if I fully repaint, I'd want to keep it! And doing something out of the ordinary would be awesome.

[mbeckel]

Most likely option. Then again, if I fully repaint, I'd want to keep it! And doing something out of the ordinary would be awesome.
Imola red FTW

[Rovert]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/04/6c7a27b82eaab9f0a897611540759273.jpg

This one really a crazy eye catcher during a summer drive up a German town in Washington state.

[Avetiso]

Imola red FTW
Naaaaah come on, dude. Fully repaint it to a factory color?

Whyyyy. Fire orange metallic is what in thinking.