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Hornung418
09-16-2014, 08:41 PM
So this thread will log the inevitable repairs that will need to take place with a car of this age.
Some details:
Alpine white 944 Turbo, internally known as the 951. 107,000 miles on the odometer with an impressive history and ownership. She is a former track slut, now daily driver. She makes 250 wheel horsepower and 260 wheel torque on aftermarket tuning and 15psi of boost. (I've played with the boost level and it definitely makes a difference!!)
Things needed are:
Compression and Leakdown test
Engine mounts
Timing belt
Find the oil leak - I suspect the Air Oil Separator or AOS (Common failure)
Fix the rear hatch glass - frame needs to be stripped, cleaned and reglued
Adjust rear hatch pins - Unending rattle when I hit a bump or imperfection in the road.
Need a good tune up with distributor, rotor, plugs, wires and an oil change
Silicone J boot (Runs from the MAF to the Turbo) wears just like an M54 Intake boot
New brake pads
Nissan Quest Alternator Mod replaces the archaic charging system from the 80s
Upgraded 7" headlights. Output is horrible coming from ALs with ZKW lenses and the trifecta mod :(
I'm confident I can do all the work myself and I'm looking forward to Sundays when I can get under the car and wrench.
Now some pictures
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More to come. Hopefully the parts I ordered from Pelican fix my current Oil consumption issue (About 1qt/2000mi).
Cheers!!
Johal E32
09-16-2014, 09:07 PM
Very nice, looks like a solid car! Looking forward to this build. Shouldn't you have done a compression test before you bought the car? :rofl
Hermes
09-16-2014, 09:31 PM
Congrats Justin!
Newjack
09-16-2014, 10:09 PM
Noice
OtterEffect
09-16-2014, 10:27 PM
Yes! Looking forward to this! :thumbsup
slater
09-17-2014, 02:18 AM
sweet. i love 944/951's. looking forward to your progress!
peter
TigerTater
09-17-2014, 02:41 AM
Cool car! I wanna see some videos eventually!
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ELCID86
09-17-2014, 03:13 AM
Glad you started a project thread for us to see!
NoVAphotog
09-17-2014, 03:34 AM
Very cool Justin! I don't know much about these cars, so I'm looking forward to your progress and pictures as they definitely look like fun!
Hornung418
09-17-2014, 04:47 AM
Very nice, looks like a solid car! Looking forward to this build. Shouldn't you have done a compression test before you bought the car? :rofl
I had it inspected before I bought it. The oil consumption wasn't brought up. But there are things you have to be savvy about with these cars. Lots of simple issues that might show up as a major repair level symptom. I.E. milk shake in the filler cap. I'm not burning coolant (white smoke), so its not a head gasket. But I am burning oil so it could be blow-by. If the crankcase is pressurized, then that will allow oil to be burned off as its forced passed the piston rings. The car isn't low on power, so I think it's just a bit of blow-by. Could be fixed by rebuilding the o-rings on the AOS or I could run a catch can and remove the vacuum from the crankcase. Stay tuned!!
Congrats Justin!
Noice
Yes! Looking forward to this! :thumbsup
sweet. i love 944/951's. looking forward to your progress!
peter
Glad you started a project thread for us to see!
Very cool Justin! I don't know much about these cars, so I'm looking forward to your progress and pictures as they definitely look like fun!
Thanks guys! You'll be seeing plenty of this on Social media and in person if you're on the east coast. Was planning on going to H2Oi...but I have schoolwork :(
Cool car! I wanna see some videos eventually!
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Yes hopefully some vids shortly. She's a screamer when the boost is turned up past 15psi. It's rumored she'll hold 23 before overboost protection is engaged. Not trying to blow up the car.
Aside from the snakes of vacuum lines under the hood, this engine is surprisingly easy to work on. Lots of removal steps before you can actually get to the part you're trying to fix.
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danewilson77
09-17-2014, 04:58 AM
Nice J.
Hornung418
09-17-2014, 06:32 AM
Just ordered a tune up kit (Filters, plugs, distributor cap and rotor), Timing belt kit (Belts, rollers and pulleys) drive belts for the A/C, PS and ALT. First big bill for parts comes to $445.50. Can't wait to get wrenching!!
danewilson77
09-17-2014, 07:40 AM
Gon run so much better.
prowlerflyer
09-17-2014, 07:59 AM
She's awesome Justin! I miss my 944's ('80 931, '86 NA, '87 Turbo, '90 S2). I really think they are hidden gems, too bad so many fell into marginal ownership. If maintained properly they really have no pitfalls. I bought each of mine with between 30-50k miles, sold all of them with over 220k and never had anything other than regular wear items replaced.
Most will think me crazy, but I would never buy an E30 M3 over a 944 S2. Similar cars, specialized 4cyl, coupes, yet the S2 is faster, better brakes, lower production, and way more inexpensive to buy.
Enjoy!
Steve
Hornung418
09-17-2014, 08:08 AM
Thanks, Steve! I feel the same. Hoping for a smooth maintenance filled Sunday.
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Avetiso
09-17-2014, 09:04 AM
Yeaaaaaaahhhh! Gonna love this one.
Oli77
09-17-2014, 10:32 AM
Very very nice, I would like to request a sound bite.
Something like Braaa... pshht.brrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaahh..Pshtttt. bbbrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
Hornung418
09-17-2014, 12:10 PM
Very very nice, I would like to request a sound bite.
Something like Braaa... pshht.brrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaahh..Pshtttt. bbbrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
Lol after my maintenance job I will see if I can get some go pro footage.
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Whitexi
09-17-2014, 02:54 PM
Looks fun!
Johnmadd
09-17-2014, 03:44 PM
I've always wanted something like you have now, and wonder how similar it is to an e30 to work on. Can't wait to see the work. Congrats and good luck!
Hornung418
09-17-2014, 03:55 PM
Thanks, dudes. Paid extra to have the parts here before the weekend should have it knocked out by sunday evening. Gotta buy a good torque wrench the needle style won't work for these applications.
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Looks good and intrigues my interest; never know when you have to scratch a new itch.
Oli77
09-17-2014, 05:06 PM
Looks good and intrigues my interest; never know when you have to scratch a new inch.
Nice typo!
ELCID86
09-17-2014, 05:31 PM
:like
Thumbs, iPhone, Tapatalk.
orange260z
09-17-2014, 05:51 PM
Awesome Justin! I loved my '86 NA M474, although underpowered it was an excellent combination of DD and track car for me. New Koni yellows did wonders. Congrats on joining the P-car world, it's an obsession.
Hornung418
09-17-2014, 06:00 PM
Thanks Ayan. Feels good to be back. Need a new steering wheel to truly get comfy inside.
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Hermes
09-17-2014, 11:44 PM
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=261576050242
az3579
09-18-2014, 03:27 AM
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=261576050242
Wood doesn't belong in ANY Porsche, IMO. :shifty
Hornung418
09-18-2014, 05:11 AM
No wood. Going for the suede GT2 wheel.
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Hornung418
09-18-2014, 05:16 AM
http://www.fvd.de/?VID=17830625&VCD=45330534&AM=2&SM=1&LM=3&MM=item&AC=item_details&item=FVD347084
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derbo
09-18-2014, 09:07 AM
mmmm nice wheel.
Hermes
09-18-2014, 09:23 AM
Wood doesn't belong in ANY Porsche, IMO. :shifty
I disagree, it doesn't belong on modern cars but this is one of the last body styles I think can get away with it. Also, that wheel is such an 80s Nardi design I think it would look good.
Either way, if Justin doesn't want a wood wheel it doesn't matter.
No wood. Going for the suede GT2 wheel.
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http://www.fvd.de/?VID=17830625&VCD=45330534&AM=2&SM=1&LM=3&MM=item&AC=item_details&item=FVD347084
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mmmm nice wheel.
Agreed, that's a nice Nardi as well. If it comes with all the hardware and the horn button I think it's a fair price.
Hornung418
09-18-2014, 09:42 AM
I disagree, it doesn't belong on modern cars but this is one of the last body styles I think can get away with it. Also, that wheel is such an 80s Nardi design I think it would look good.
Either way, if Justin doesn't want a wood wheel it doesn't matter.
Agreed, that's a nice Nardi as well. If it comes with all the hardware and the horn button I think it's a fair price.
MOMO...
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Hermes
09-18-2014, 09:51 AM
MOMO...
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Oops, didn't look at the bolt pattern. Still, decent price
Edit: what about a quick release hub?
slater
09-18-2014, 09:57 AM
personally, the momo 'competition' wheel is my favorite aftermarket wheel i've ever used. it's got a perfectly-size grip that is the same diameter all the way around, and is perforated leather. it feels perfect in the hand.
peter
http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/momo_comp.jpg
Hornung418
09-18-2014, 09:59 AM
Oops, didn't look at the bolt pattern. Still, decent price
Edit: what about a quick release hub?
Add another $300...no thanks right now.
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derbo
09-18-2014, 10:17 AM
I really liked my personal wheel.
http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=401&idcategory=259
http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/catalog/nardi-personal/personal.fitticorsa-red-sde_det.jpg
Hermes
09-18-2014, 10:53 AM
Italvolanti
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads7/Steering+Wheel+0081144280927.jpg
Hornung418
09-18-2014, 11:01 AM
Diameter? And price. Ideally for me 350 mm.
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Hermes
09-18-2014, 11:01 AM
That one is not for sale, just showing you other options to look at from the period
Johnmadd
09-18-2014, 11:17 AM
Just seen this site on instagram, most wheels around $200.
http://www.renownusa.com
Hornung418
09-18-2014, 11:21 AM
Nice Find John. Gonna check them out!
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Hornung418
09-18-2014, 07:53 PM
Got a lead on turbo twists!! They are for 996. He's asking $750 picked up in KG territory.
They're 18s...but the dimensions and offsets are unknown. Asked him to send me pictures of the backsides tomorrow. If they are 10s in the rear I will probably buy them.
Need to look for winter wheels/tires. The LSD definitely has me looking forward to the fluffy stuff!!
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Nice car Justin. I was never into these pcars, but I can see the allure. I'd love to have a pcar one day.
Hornung418
09-19-2014, 03:26 PM
Paid extra for two day shipping...no one home to receive the parts means I have to wait til Monday or figure out where they are and pick up tomorrow morning.
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derbo
09-19-2014, 09:53 PM
Nice car Justin. I was never into these pcars, but I can see the allure. I'd love to have a pcar one day.
997.1 are getting cheap. I think I saw a carrera S for 35k.
Smilez
09-19-2014, 10:46 PM
Me gusta. Nice :)
Hornung418
09-20-2014, 04:06 PM
Mom picked up my parts from the FedEx while I am at work! Can't wait to get them installed. Not gonna be able to do it tomorrow though. I have made a new friend though! Offered to have me over and help me do the belts and stuff. His car is my twin but cooler...
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/21/pavubysa.jpg
I saw way too many Porsches today. It was the nicest, friendliest gathering I've attended outside of ZHP family reunions. If it wasn't a race car it was stock or mildly modified. No dumped porsches here.
This was my favorite 911.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/21/2utubypy.jpg
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Avetiso
09-20-2014, 07:48 PM
Nice!
Hermes
09-20-2014, 08:50 PM
That's cool, but I think you should get some of these Martini stripes (and maybe some of the other stuff too)
http://trisslsportscars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_3024-e1378921473974.jpg
http://trisslsportscars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_3026-e1378921088442.jpg
http://trisslsportscars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_3027-e1378921015599.jpg
http://trisslsportscars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_3029-e1378920956228.jpg
Hornung418
09-21-2014, 01:07 AM
The 968 rear is so awesome looking! The owner of the Martini car I posted is gonna help me with the livery. Also considering the Rothmans Turbo Cup livery. There is one for sale in the area for a stealing a price, $65,000.
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orange260z
09-21-2014, 04:52 AM
A buddy of mine loves his Momo Competition - he actually just bought a '97 Miata (he used to have a '90 back in the day, and we used to track together) and hopes to put it in. I'm not sure about the airbag rules, though...
I have a Momo Corse in the 911. Very similar to the Competition but smooth leather, and has more pronounced thumb cutouts. It looked great in my 944 (and Miata before that, and in the 260Z - she's a bit of a slut)
Hornung418
09-22-2014, 11:29 AM
Bought some new parts for the turbo. Short shifter, shift linkage and selector rod from only944.com.
Next up are semi solid engine and transmission mounts from 9products.com.
Then hopefully I will have the funds for the new steering wheel.
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Hornung418
09-23-2014, 12:36 PM
New meat on the rear wheels.
Sumitomo HTR Z III 265/35/ZR18
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Avetiso
09-23-2014, 12:56 PM
New meat on the rear wheels.
Sumitomo HTR Z III 265/35/ZR18
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Why Chinese tires?
az3579
09-23-2014, 03:44 PM
Why Chinese tires?
Because the price is right.
Hornung418
09-23-2014, 03:47 PM
Came with the purchase of the car. They are pretty sticky. Nothing like the Kumhos I had previously but they only have one drive on them. Searching for some winter rollers in a square setup. 15" phone dials or 16" Design 90s are looking easy to obtain.
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Hornung418
09-23-2014, 03:48 PM
Because the price is right.
I dont even know how much they cost. But like I posted, I had already paid for them essentially. Are they good?
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az3579
09-23-2014, 03:53 PM
I dont even know how much they cost. But like I posted, I had already paid for them essentially. Are they good?
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They're 'ok'. Much better than an all-season though, since they're higher performance summer tires.
Hornung418
09-23-2014, 03:55 PM
They're 'ok'. Much better than an all-season though, since they're higher performance summer tires.
Thanks.
Need to search for summer and winter wheels and then sell the current set-up.
Hardest thing about Porsche wheels is the goddamn bolt pattern. No other brand is a 5x130.
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az3579
09-23-2014, 03:56 PM
Wow that really is a weird bolt pattern. Good luck finding what you want. :thumbsup
Hornung418
09-23-2014, 03:58 PM
Wow that really is a weird bolt pattern. Good luck finding what you want. :thumbsup
They've used it forever, dating back to the first gen 911. Its easy to find the wheels...its not easy to find the money! A set of OEMs are easy $1000 for 18s.
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Oli77
09-23-2014, 04:55 PM
Gentle request for a new signature pic please.
Hornung418
09-23-2014, 05:04 PM
Gentle request for a new signature pic please.
Copy. First detail I'll gave some pictures.
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Johnmadd
09-23-2014, 05:08 PM
Copy. First detail I'll gave some pictures.
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Yet drinking :biggrin
Hornung418
09-24-2014, 04:05 PM
First average on a full tank of gas and a full work week. 252.5 miles / 16.104 gal or 15.67mpg not that different than the ZHP which was averaging around 300 miles/tank.
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az3579
09-24-2014, 04:45 PM
First average on a full tank of gas and a full work week. 252.5 miles / 16.104 gal or 15.67mpg not that different than the ZHP which was averaging around 300 miles/tank.
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If you were getting that in the ZHP, then perhaps it's time to slow down. lol
I average 11mpg on the track at full blast...
I can understand the Porsche though. Sucks on gas I'm sure... I wonder what you can get if you baby it.
Hornung418
09-24-2014, 04:58 PM
If you were getting that in the ZHP, then you seriously need to slow down. lol
I average 11mpg on the track at full blast...
Good for you?
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slater
09-24-2014, 05:25 PM
Why Chinese tires?
they're actually japanese.
Came with the purchase of the car. They are pretty sticky. Nothing like the Kumhos I had previously but they only have one drive on them.
i ran a set of these in 235/45/17 on a previous car. they were surprisingly nice for the first half of their tread life - good dry and OK wet grip, rode nicely, fairly quiet. once they got past, say, 60% wear, they got very greasy feeling, moreso in the wet where they were downright scary at times.
i won't be buying them again.
peter
Hornung418
09-25-2014, 02:20 PM
Good information, Peter. They will probably be sold with the current wheels when I get my all-weather set.
Came back from class with a box of goodies at the door! My package from Only944.com!!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/26/e5epysyt.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/26/a7e5a8en.jpg
1) Upgraded gear selector
2) Short shifter unit
3) Spherical shift linkage
4) Delrin hatch bushings
5) Inner shift boot
They all are an improvement over the 27 year old parts.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/26/yhedubaj.jpg
New selector one bearing per side sandwich between two washers. This prevents the shifter slop.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/26/e5ytehut.jpg
The short shifter will shorten the throw by 30% and reduce the slop by 30% in the second position.
The linkage (3) removes the rubber in the system. That takes the task of preloading the rubber bushes out of the situation meaning quicker shifts.
The bushings (4) will hopefully reduce my rattle in the hatch area. Every fucking bump will cause the hatch to rattle the latches.
The inner boot (5) will seal the cabin from exterior smells that could enter through the shift boot. I've already smelled the clutch burn on a hill stop with about 30 cars ahead of me...not fun. This will act as a barrier.
Total came to $217 shipped! Installing the hatch pin bushings, gear selector and the inner boot tomorrow morning.
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Avetiso
09-25-2014, 11:11 PM
Nice! I'm getting the first batch of parts ordered for my car soon.
Hornung418
09-26-2014, 05:09 AM
Hatch pin seats installed. No more rattle! What a relief! Adjusted the pins as well for a smooth release when I turn the key to open it.
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TheFinanceGuy
09-26-2014, 05:30 AM
sigh, mine still rattles... Congrats on that small win.
Hornung418
09-26-2014, 07:18 AM
sigh, mine still rattles... Congrats on that small win.
Hit up only944.com seriously quality parts. Those seats did the trick. Just got to work and not a single rattle!!
Also installed the new shifter and the inner cover.
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az3579
09-26-2014, 07:24 AM
Ah, nothing like getting rid of annoying creaks and rattles...
Hornung418
09-26-2014, 09:48 AM
Ah, nothing like getting rid of annoying creaks and rattles...
Amen!
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TheFinanceGuy
09-26-2014, 10:01 AM
Hit up only944.com seriously quality parts. Those seats did the trick. Just got to work and not a single rattle!!
Also installed the new shifter and the inner cover.
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Already ordered (and I might have them actually...). I haven't had time to play with the 944. This side project I've been working on has been taking more time than expected.
Hornung418
09-26-2014, 01:09 PM
Already ordered (and I might have them actually...). I haven't had time to play with the 944. This side project I've been working on has been taking more time than expected.
Ooooo! Secret project?
The seats will alleviate your rattle. Mine were worn out and the left side was missing a side.
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TheFinanceGuy
09-26-2014, 04:10 PM
Ooooo! Secret project?
The seats will alleviate your rattle. Mine were worn out and the left side was missing a side.
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Two secret life projects. Charlie knows of one.
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mLuMaN83
09-26-2014, 06:58 PM
I love these. I always do a double take when I see one in good condition.
I came real close a few years ago to buying an older 911. I had a buddy who's family owned a junk yard and they had one in pretty good condition with 89k on the clock. It ran, transmission was good, and interior was REALLY good. It just needed some TLC. I was going to buy it for 3k but never did. Nobody wanted to take it on or didnt think it was worth it and would be a money. They were a bunch of Camaro lovers anyways. Would have been a fun project. They had a 60's VW bus that I had my eye on too that was pretty sweet.
Hornung418
09-27-2014, 07:40 AM
Pulling the trigger on a new Steering wheel and new Nissan alternator ($140 shipped w/ Porsche 6-rib pulley) next pay period. Hopefully doing the timing belt maintenance next Sunday with the help of Aaron Miller. Can't wait to drive without worry! The belt is "out of tension," but as long as it is tight enough to keep time then we are set.
Prepare yourselves for videos next Sunday. Buying a used Go Pro Hero II on the eBays with a noise canceling microphone to route to the rear of the car.
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Johnmadd
09-27-2014, 10:05 AM
What wheel are you going with?
Hornung418
09-27-2014, 10:24 AM
What wheel are you going with?
Momo GT3.
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Sockethead
09-27-2014, 05:47 PM
Congrats on the car Horney! You know our garage is always open for you.
I was telling Rob you guys need to stop up here and see the twins they are almost walking...
And we want to check out yer new car :)
Hornung418
09-27-2014, 05:50 PM
Congrats on the car Horney! You know our garage is always open for you.
I was telling Rob you guys need to stop up here and see the twins they are almost walking...
And we want to check out yer new car :)
A weekend at NJMP is in order :)
As soon as she's up to date on the maintenance I'm definitely making my way up! Miss y'all.
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Sockethead
09-27-2014, 06:06 PM
Sounds good! Too bad NJMP is so damn expensive. Kpro and I have only been there once and it's only a half hour or so from our house
Hornung418
09-27-2014, 06:12 PM
Sounds good! Too bad NJMP is so damn expensive. Kpro and I have only been there once and it's only a half hour or so from our house
If I can time it with a PCA event it should be good pricing. But the track is well worth the cost.
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Sockethead
09-28-2014, 03:48 AM
Yea we'd love to get on either of the tracks there , they are both good but with the twins taking up so much of our time...
TigerTater
09-28-2014, 05:45 AM
Pulling the trigger on a new Steering wheel and new Nissan alternator ($140 shipped w/ Porsche 6-rib pulley) next pay period. Hopefully doing the timing belt maintenance next Sunday with the help of Aaron Miller. Can't wait to drive without worry! The belt is "out of tension," but as long as it is tight enough to keep time then we are set.
Prepare yourselves for videos next Sunday. Buying a used Go Pro Hero II on the eBays with a noise canceling microphone to route to the rear of the car.
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Why the noise canceling mike? Like cancels out wind noise? Link? I might be interested in something like that
Hornung418
09-28-2014, 06:38 AM
Why the noise canceling mike? Like cancels out wind noise? Link? I might be interested in something like that
Yeah just has two microphones like you see at public speaking events to remove the ambient noise in a recording. Also getting a windsock to reduce the wind noise even further.
No links, but plenty of hits in the search.
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orange260z
09-28-2014, 07:56 AM
Why Chinese tires?
Actually, Sumitomo are Japanese tires and are quite high-quality. They are the junior brand to Dunlop and use the same/similar technology. Sumitomo Corp is a large Japaese keiretsu and actually owns Dunlop.
The HTRZ3 is one of the highest-rated budget tires and my own experience with them has been quite positive. Compared to my BS S04PPs, they give up a little bit of steering response, perhaps a tiny bit of grip, but seem to be much longer-lasting. For a little more than 1/2 the price.
Avetiso
09-28-2014, 07:58 AM
Actually, Sumitomo are Japanese tires and are quite high-quality. They are the junior brand to Dunlop and use the same/similar technology. Sumitomo Corp is a large Japaese keiretsu and actually owns Dunlop.
The HTRZ3 is one of the highest-rated budget tires and my own experience with them has been quite positive. Compared to my BS S04PPs, they give up a little bit of steering response, perhaps a tiny bit of grip, but seem to be much longer-lasting. For a little more than 1/2 the price.
I've always associated them with Chinese brands for some reason, even though the name is obviously Japanese. :facepalm
Nexen and Nankang are the crap ones.
orange260z
09-28-2014, 08:02 AM
Hopefully doing the timing belt maintenance next Sunday with the help of Aaron Miller. Can't wait to drive without worry! The belt is "out of tension," but as long as it is tight enough to keep time then we are set.
Justin, don't you need a special Porsche tool to set the tension on these timing belts? I remember that was an issue when we did mine.
orange260z
09-28-2014, 08:05 AM
I've always associated them with Chinese brands for some reason, even though the name is obviously Japanese. :facepalm
Nexen and Nankang are the crap ones.
Now I have to admit I haven't driven on a really worn set of Sumi's, but I've driven Dunlops to the end without any real issues.
Nankang is definitely Chinese, I though Nexen was the lower end brand for Kumho (if that's possible!). I don't know if Nexens are made in Korea like the Kumhos or in China to save costs. I was surprised the other day to find that Cooper's top of the line performance tire was made in China now. I wonder whether these tires are being made in a "Cooper" or "Kumho" factory, or if they are contract manufactured? That can have a big impact on the quality control.
Hornung418
09-28-2014, 09:40 AM
Justin, don't you need a special Porsche tool to set the tension on these timing belts? I remember that was an issue when we did mine.
Fortunately for me he has all the tools necessary for regular maintenance! You can buy an equivalent tool for around $140 but I'd rather drive down and pocket the money. :)
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Hornung418
09-30-2014, 01:57 PM
Discovered that my oil burning is most likely my Valve Stem Seals! Super easy to replace compared to the piston rings. Compression test is scheduled for this Sunday as well as the other maintenance. Can't wait to get wrenching, pass inspection/emissions and put the test pipe on.
Loud noises!!!
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Johnmadd
09-30-2014, 04:15 PM
Discovered that my oil burning is most likely my Valve Stem Seals! Super easy to replace compared to the piston rings. Compression test is scheduled for this Sunday as well as the other maintenance. Can't wait to get wrenching, pass inspection/emissions and put the test pipe on.
Loud noises!!!
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Smoke after leaving the stoplight I assume. Go for it bro!
Hornung418
09-30-2014, 05:00 PM
Smoke after leaving the stoplight I assume. Go for it bro!
A quart of oil every 400 miles...which is surprisingly in spec to Porsche.
The seals are cheap; less than $5 per. So taking the Cam tower off while I'm doing the rest of the maintenance is just an extra 30 minutes plus the time to remove and install the new units.
Is it Sunday yet?!
Sockethead
10-01-2014, 05:06 AM
I can't imagine how excited you must be.
Can't wait to hear how it all turns out
prowlerflyer
10-01-2014, 08:03 AM
Can you go for an upgraded cam while you're in there?
Was always partial to Milledge parts, but not sure if the company is the same since he passed. Man, his 944's were absolutely crushing to complete against when I was involved in the Escort/Firehawk series.
Hornung418
10-01-2014, 08:09 AM
I can't imagine how excited you must be.
Can't wait to hear how it all turns out
So excited!!!
Can you go for an upgraded cam while you're in there?
Was always partial to Milledge parts, but not sure if the company is the same since he passed. Man, his 944's were absolutely crushing to complete against when I was involved in the Escort/Firehawk series.
Guess what?! Its already been upgraded :biggrin I couldn't splurge for that anyway because it's not maintenance (mom has limited maintenance to just that. No upgrades unless it's a necessary modification.
Porsche of Annapolis has some very competitive pricing and will usually price match online competition. Since they are local to the place where we will be doing the work I will contact their dept for a pickup on Saturday.
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prowlerflyer
10-01-2014, 08:13 AM
Ahh, your mother is very wise grasshopper.
Hornung418
10-01-2014, 08:52 AM
Ahh, your mother is very wise grasshopper.
It is nice to have a bank that cares. ;)
I've paid for everything out of pocket so far. The money isn't an issue, she's scared I wont get it put together the right way. Told her it was burning oil and running a bit rich she started lecturing me about all kinds of unrelated bullshit!! So now I don't tell her anything, and she's as cool as a cucumber.
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TheFinanceGuy
10-01-2014, 09:35 AM
the beauty of answering to no one :)
except of course my wife.
prowlerflyer
10-01-2014, 09:37 AM
It is nice to have a bank that cares. ;)
That's an awesome point of view. Don't worry, later on, they're position is filled by your spouse, if you so choose. I consider it a sanity check. Unfortunately, sometimes there is too much sanity...
slater
10-01-2014, 10:39 AM
the beauty of answering to no one :)
except of course my wife.
amen, brother!
imagine what a sorry state you'd be in without her. :) my wife is awesome, we keep each other balanced - or, at least, that's the intent. a lot of times i'm the one out of balance.
peter
az3579
10-01-2014, 02:53 PM
the beauty of answering to no one :)
Last part omitted / fixed. :shifty
Ah, the beauty of being single...
BCS_ZHP
10-01-2014, 05:11 PM
I couldn't splurge for that anyway because it's not maintenance (mom has limited maintenance to just that. No upgrades unless it's a necessary modification.Sent from my GS3.
So if I can grab that SS aftermarket exhaust at a good price, is it considered "maintenance"? You'd be preventing rust out of the stock exhaust.
Hornung418
10-01-2014, 05:15 PM
So if I can grab that SS aftermarket exhaust at a good price, is it considered "maintenance"? You'd be preventing rust out of the stock exhaust.
Already came with one :) I'd have to see how big it is. The current tip has a flare from some kind of back up. If you can get the specs on that exhaust, let me know. If it's a 4" I might be interested. Think the one installed is 3 or 3.5 inches.
As soon as I get emissions done, I will delete the cat. Have a test pipe, came with the old girl.
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Hornung418
10-05-2014, 07:34 PM
Good news...the car has new belts rollers and pulleys. It's been timed and has new plugs, dizzy cap and rotor.
Bad news...car started and idled fine after closing the heart up, but I some how tripped the aftermarket alarm for which I have no provisions to cancel the alarm and the car won't start, because the injectors aren't getting a pulse.
My mother drove two hours to where I was having the work done to pick me up. Gotta be to work in 6 hours...
FML.
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TigerTater
10-06-2014, 02:15 AM
On the bright side if there is one...the alarm works?? :shrugg hope you get it work out man
Hornung418
10-06-2014, 02:18 AM
On the bright side if there is one...the alarm works?? :shrugg hope you get it work out man
Haha no it doesn't work. There was no forced entry or any of that shit.
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TheFinanceGuy
10-06-2014, 03:40 AM
Yikes! Good luck with that.
Glad to hear the belts and such went well. Pictures?
az3579
10-06-2014, 03:42 AM
Haha no it doesn't work. There was no forced entry or any of that shit.
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Reminds me of the time my E30 locked me out of my car - with the keys in the car and the engine running - because the keyless entry system that was installed decided to lock the doors on me the moment I closed the door after getting out. The cops had to pry the door open so I could use a stick to press my window switch button down and get in. :facepalm
Hornung418
10-06-2014, 04:12 AM
Yikes! Good luck with that.
Glad to hear the belts and such went well. Pictures?
I will take some pictures of the underside when I have it up next...mybhands were filthy so no pics of the belts and stuff. I will say that Aaron was extremely impressed with how clean my engine was. Its not leaking a damn thing! Or burning a crazy amount, as the spark plugs were in decent shape. We did find some oil floating in the coolant tank...so there are some seals that need to be replaced. Where the oil is mixing at the external oil cooler mount and very possibly the AOS seals too.
Also found out the car was in a shunt of sorts. The radiator mount is distorted on the pass side. And while not the end of the world, it does pose a threat if I hit something insignificant but big enough to pull the radiator out of its mount.
Those things asside my car has some expensive things on it like boxed steel control arms with replaceable bushings, a 29.0mm sway bar, an upgraded and very tough mounting AC compressor with R134A refrigerant.
So happy with a lot of things, disappointed with some others.
Reminds me of the time my E30 locked me out of my car - with the keys in the car and the engine running - because the keyless entry system that was installed decided to lock the doors on me the moment I closed the door after getting out. The cops had to pry the door open so I could use a stick to press my window switch button down and get in. :facepalm
That is just outrageous. 80s and 90s alarms are ridiculous. Hopefully we can sort this ourselves without having to pay an expert to remove the setup.
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Hornung418
10-07-2014, 07:20 AM
UPDATE: I forgot to torque the spring tensioner on the timing belt and the engine jumped a few teeth. So the engine is out of time and the head needs to come off to rebuild the valves.
The silver lining is that I get to replace my valve stem seals, valve guides and a new head gasket. Since the exhaust and intake manifolds need to come off, the external oil cooler mount seals, and AOS seals will be replaced and hopefully cure my oil burning condition.
Sounds a whole hell of a lot worse than it actually is, looks like a timely fix, but the cost should be below $300 for everything we don't have.
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Lucky, it sounds like it could have been a whole lot worse.
Hornung418
10-07-2014, 07:35 AM
Lucky, it sounds like it could have been a whole lot worse.
I could have been driving...but Minta, Aaron's wife, reminded me to check my oil level. The subsequent restart caused the engine to jump some teeth. Only turned at 850 rpm...
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Hornung418
10-08-2014, 08:50 AM
About to order $500 in parts for the head plus a few extras for my milkshake in the oil reservoir. Should be on the road in time for the Skyline Drive meet up in two weeks.
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TheFinanceGuy
10-08-2014, 09:01 AM
Deep pockets already! I'm excited to see this come along.
Hornung418
10-08-2014, 09:05 AM
Deep pockets already! I'm excited to see this come along.
Haha! I wish they were just a bit deeper. I'm broke until Friday.
The great news is that Aaron and his buddy Doug both have experience with these heads. Should take about six hours from when I deliver the head from the shop to Aaron and Doug to firing her up. Aiming for pick up next Saturday.
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TheFinanceGuy
10-08-2014, 09:09 AM
Fantastic! Good luck!
I was waiting on my last piece from Pelican that was deliverable today to finally say I have a leak free 944. Damn cork gasket in the back of the cam tower was dried out, not to mention the 3 bolts that were missing.
Hornung418
10-08-2014, 09:10 AM
Fantastic! Good luck!
I was waiting on my last piece from Pelican that was deliverable today to finally say I have a leak free 944. Damn cork gasket in the back of the cam tower was dried out, not to mention the 3 bolts that were missing.
Wow! Three missing bolts?
The HG kit comes with all the gaskets on the back of the engine. Im running a Widefire HG, so I will replace it with such.
I'm just glad that its not an electrical problem as we thought it was. Now we know what it is.
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Hornung418
10-08-2014, 02:32 PM
Parts ordered.
1 x Widefire HG kit $180
1 x external oil cooler mount gasket $12
4 x Exhaust Valves $28.50/each
2 x Header-to-crossover gaskets $18.50/each
1 x fuel injector sealing kit $25 (Just to be extra safe.)
Stainless steel itake manifold stud conversion $25 shipped on eBay.
Parts will be here on Monday. Just in time for me to drop the head at the machine shop on Tuesday.
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Newjack
10-08-2014, 03:52 PM
Parts ordered.
1 x Widefire HG kit $180
1 x external oil cooler mount gasket $12
4 x Exhaust Valves $28.50/each
2 x Header-to-crossover gaskets $18.50/each
1 x fuel injector sealing kit $25 (Just to be extra safe.)
Stainless steel itake manifold stud conversion $25 shipped on eBay.
Parts will be here on Monday. Just in time for me to drop the head at the machine shop on Tuesday.
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Niceee
Audi 0000
10-09-2014, 05:03 AM
Hey buddy. It was funny to see a guy driving a nice Porsche the other day. Saying "Hey nice car!", and it was you :biggrin Good to see ya. Enjoy that new ride.
Hornung418
10-10-2014, 09:22 AM
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http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/11/yjy4utuq.jpg
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Sockethead
10-10-2014, 10:05 AM
Look like fun :)
Hornung418
10-10-2014, 10:09 AM
Thank god I'm not doing it! Im work in a 10hr and getting updates :)
The AOS seals are getting done and the Oil cooler mount is being removed so the new gasket can be installed.
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TheFinanceGuy
10-10-2014, 10:33 AM
Hot Damn that looks like good times!
Hornung418
10-10-2014, 12:28 PM
Parts were waiting for me when I got home from work!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/11/utege3uq.jpg
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Oli77
10-10-2014, 02:08 PM
I would be so scared to tackle this! You are going to have fun when the car is back together.
Hornung418
10-10-2014, 02:09 PM
I would be so scared to tackle this! You are going to have fun when the car is back together.
Yeah...not dumping a quart of oil evey fill up will be spectacular!!!
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Hornung418
10-10-2014, 04:47 PM
Hey buddy. It was funny to see a guy driving a nice Porsche the other day. Saying "Hey nice car!", and it was you :biggrin Good to see ya. Enjoy that new ride.
Bobby, Rob and I shared a good laugh about that over the phone. We'll have to get together again soon. Padonia seems like a good place, maybe Wednesday for Karaoke night...:rofl
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Hornung418
10-12-2014, 11:50 AM
Picked up the head for rebuild.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/13/e6u4ujy9.jpg
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Hornung418
10-13-2014, 10:53 AM
Head is at the shop. Looks like a $400 bill plus an additional $100 because the valves that are bent are actually the intake valves...not the exhaust valves like we thought. But the head is gonna be cleaned and the valve job will have it running better than ever!
So lesson learned for $1000, make sure your nuts are torqued.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/14/asygu7ab.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/14/7e8esade.jpg
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Sockethead
10-13-2014, 12:23 PM
Kpro makes sure my nuts are torqued :)
Hornung418
10-13-2014, 12:50 PM
Kpro makes sure my nuts are torqued :)
Haha!!!! That's the job I was hinting at ;)
Quick update the valves are out of stock at FCP. Gotta make a quick substitution for the pricier ones :( Just tack on an extra $60 to my bill. A drop in the bucket at this point.
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Johnmadd
10-13-2014, 01:12 PM
Kpro makes sure my nuts are torqued :)
:rofl
SoDelBMW
10-13-2014, 01:54 PM
Im loving the new project Justin! Looks like you've been saving for a while with all these new parts and I can't wait to see it.
Hornung418
10-13-2014, 01:55 PM
Im loving the new project Justin! Looks like you've been saving for a while with all these new parts and I can't wait to see it.
Lol! I'm flat broke until next year. This project got out of hand pretty quickly. But that's a risk you take with a 30 year old car.
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johnrando
10-14-2014, 06:16 AM
But so worth it! :)
Hornung418
10-15-2014, 09:44 AM
News flash!! Head is almost done, just waiting to the intake valves to come in and then I can pick up. Should be back on the road by Saturday if all goes well.
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Johnmadd
10-15-2014, 10:03 AM
News flash!! Head is almost done, just waiting to the intake valves to come in and then I can pick up. Should be back on the road by Saturday if all goes well.
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:thumbsup
Hornung418
10-23-2014, 08:38 AM
Ugh..still no cylinder head. Car will not be fixed this weekend either as Aaron and his wife will be out of town til Sunday.
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danewilson77
10-23-2014, 10:19 AM
Ugh.
No flame suit required!
TheFinanceGuy
10-23-2014, 11:03 AM
Whats the hold up?
Hornung418
10-23-2014, 11:08 AM
Whats the hold up?
Machine shop...called them on Tuesday and got yelled at, for wanting to know the status of the work. Said it would be done on Monday before the middle of the week. The intake valves arrived on Friday morning...but they were late and focused the work on other projects. Slow is an overstatement with machine shops.
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ELCID86
10-23-2014, 11:10 AM
sorry dude. very frustrating. We'll miss you on Sat.
Hornung418
10-23-2014, 01:28 PM
Jackson Auto Machine just called me to tell me the head was ready for pick up tomorrow!!! $430.90 and she's all mine! Can't wait for this shit to be finished.
Johnmadd
10-23-2014, 01:31 PM
Jackson Auto Machine just called me to tell me the head was ready for pick up tomorrow!!! $430.90 and she's all mine! Can't wait for this shit to be finished.
:thumbsup
TheFinanceGuy
10-23-2014, 01:48 PM
Jackson Auto Machine just called me to tell me the head was ready for pick up tomorrow!!! $430.90 and she's all mine! Can't wait for this shit to be finished.
Awesome!! Should run like a champ after.
I know I don't need to say this, but save all your receipts! Take pictures if you can too. A well documented Pcar is worth the money.
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Sockethead
10-23-2014, 02:42 PM
Cool!
Running by tomorrow night? Lol
Hornung418
10-23-2014, 03:11 PM
Cool!
Running by tomorrow night? Lol
Haha...would be a marathon of labor. Dropping the head off on Sunday so Aaron can get to work. I will be joining him later in the week.
Awesome!! Should run like a champ after.
I know I don't need to say this, but save all your receipts! Take pictures if you can too. A well documented Pcar is worth the money.
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My receipts will be going in the binder that came with the car. :)
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Johnmadd
10-23-2014, 03:32 PM
You need to get in on the mating and timing, afterwards you will be able to tackle anything.
Hornung418
10-23-2014, 03:39 PM
I already have the timing down...I have no plans of ever taking the head off unless the engine is out of the car. But I see your point. Setting the time is probably the hardest thing about owning this car. But it is set for the next 45,000 miles.
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Johnmadd
10-23-2014, 03:42 PM
Cool. I was just saying because of my recent m50 work... IM so confident now.
Hornung418
10-23-2014, 03:46 PM
Cool. I was just saying because of my recent m50 work... IM so confident now.
Sweet! Can't wait to see the fruits of your labor.
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Johnmadd
10-23-2014, 05:01 PM
Sweet! Can't wait to see the fruits of your labor.
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Let me clarify, the m50 in my brothers e34... not my e30 unfortunately.
Hornung418
10-23-2014, 05:02 PM
Let me clarify, the m50 in my brothers e34... not my e30 unfortunately.
Yeah I remember that thread...but I am genuinely excited to see your e30 get finished :)
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Johnmadd
10-23-2014, 05:08 PM
Yeah I remember that thread...but I am genuinely excited to see your e30 get finished :)
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Thanks bro. :thumbsup I can't wait to see your progress on the Porsche.
Hornung418
10-24-2014, 06:28 PM
Picked it up this morning!!!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/25/ju8aqutu.jpg
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derbo
10-24-2014, 06:36 PM
Get this sucker running!!!
Hornung418
10-24-2014, 07:01 PM
Get this sucker running!!!
Hoping by Tuesday! Dropping the piece off at Aaron's tomorrow evening.
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ELCID86
10-25-2014, 03:32 PM
Picked it up this morning!!!
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You got lipstick on it.
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az3579
10-25-2014, 03:35 PM
You got lipstick on it.
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I was gonna say blood. :dunno
Hornung418
10-25-2014, 03:45 PM
Actually it's assembly oil.
Plan of attack for tomorrow is to head down to Federal Hill and grab a bite to eat at The Abbey Burger (http://www.abbeyburgerbistro.com/) and watch the Ravens stomp the Bengals. Maybe catch a movie after, then drive the rest of the way south towards Waldorf and drop off the head and other necessary pieces. Scoot on home and hopefully get to bed before 11pm.
ELCID86
10-25-2014, 03:50 PM
Busy day. Good plan.
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Hornung418
10-26-2014, 05:01 PM
Successful day. Dropped the head off after a wonderful lunch. Learned about all of the engine upgrades and what to do for the future. May buy an spare engine to do a full rebuild. Apparently they can be had for $500!!
Car will be done by Sunday.
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Hornung418
10-31-2014, 06:11 AM
Counting down the hours.
16289
ELCID86
10-31-2014, 11:19 AM
Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY...!
johnrando
10-31-2014, 01:26 PM
Love that ad. Nothing against those makes, the ad just says it all. Gotta figure very few people grew up dreaming about those, it's kinda a reality slap in the face. I definitely loved the Porsches, the exotics, the American Muscle, and in my college years (and beyond), lusted after a BMW 3 series. Enjoy Sunday Funday!
danewilson77
10-31-2014, 04:16 PM
Saw this today in my town.
They're asking $5950.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/31/dc4c0904bdb384e3870c1e6443131185.jpg
"No flamesuit required"
BCS_ZHP
10-31-2014, 04:27 PM
Remember the old adage, no matter how hot she looks, somewhere there's someone that's fed up with her game. So add 25 years of existence to any 944, she may look good but how well was she taken care of from a preventative/corrective maintenance viewpoint over those 25+ years???
I hope Justin doesn't experience too much of it, but he's obviously getting some of it right now. Kind of makes our 8-11 year old ZHPs look like mere babes.
danewilson77
10-31-2014, 04:36 PM
Yep.
"No flamesuit required"
Hornung418
10-31-2014, 04:37 PM
Saw this today in my town.
They're asking $5950.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/31/dc4c0904bdb384e3870c1e6443131185.jpg
"No flamesuit required"
Damn...that looks clean in the rain. If it's a 944S that's a good one. Don't waste your time with anything before 1985.5...the interior update is well worth it.
Remember the old adage, no matter how hot she looks, somewhere there's someone that's fed up with her game. So add 25 years of existence to any 944, she may look good but how well was she taken care of from a preventative/corrective maintenance viewpoint over those 25+ years???
I hope Justin doesn't experience too much of it, but he's obviously getting some of it right now. Kind of makes our 8-11 year old ZHPs look like mere babes.
My car has definitely been abused multiple times on the track and beaten a few times by off roading or cone strikes. However the only thing that is concerning right now is the passenger side of the radiator mount is twisted and bent. It was like that when it was inspected. Gotta do some welding to fix the mount point but its not a big worry at the moment.
I will always hold this belief...the most expensive Porsche you can own, is a cheap one. Words to live buy.
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danewilson77
10-31-2014, 04:42 PM
Def clean. Maybe I'll stop and take a peak tomorrow.
"No flamesuit required"
Hornung418
10-31-2014, 04:43 PM
Def clean. Maybe I'll stop and take a peak tomorrow.
"No flamesuit required"
You could do some maintenance...but the majority of the stuff needs special tools with no cheap affordable option. No where near as easy to work on as the M5X engines.
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az3579
10-31-2014, 04:44 PM
There is no cheap Porsche. Period.
Hornung418
10-31-2014, 04:47 PM
There is no cheap Porsche. Period.
If you are a Porsche specialest then everything is easy to maintain. The engines are finicky and like to leak oil...because lets face it...that's part of the fun! However, you can get away with a well maintained high mileage example with nothing but 3,000mile oil changes and spark plugs every year.
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az3579
10-31-2014, 04:49 PM
If you are a Porsche specialest then everything is easy to maintain. The engines are finicky and like to leak oil...because lets face it...that's part of the fun! However, you can get away with a well maintained high mileage example with nothing but 3,000mile oil changes and spark plugs every year.
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It's German; it's a performance car; it's never going to be that simple! lol
Hornung418
10-31-2014, 04:50 PM
It's German; it's a performance car; it's never going to be that simple! lol
True story. But I've seen first hand some examples of golden cars that require the least amount of work possible.
Caaaaaaaan't wait for tomorrow to be over!
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Johnmadd
10-31-2014, 05:18 PM
If you are a Porsche specialest then everything is easy to maintain. The engines are finicky and like to leak oil...because lets face it...that's part of the fun! However, you can get away with a well maintained high mileage example with nothing but 3,000mile oil changes and spark plugs every year.
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Sounds like my e30 m20b25, reliable but leaky. :) It bleeds so you know it's alive!
danewilson77
10-31-2014, 06:47 PM
Sounds like my e30 m20b25, reliable but leaky. :) It bleeds so you know it's alive!
:rofl
"No flamesuit required"
Sockethead
10-31-2014, 07:39 PM
Lol I've never seen a BMW that didn't leak oil from somewhere... Must be a German thing
Hornung418
10-31-2014, 07:50 PM
Lol I've never seen a BMW that didn't leak oil from somewhere... Must be a German thing
My ZHP was leak free. I wish I could have saved that engine just to put into another car. It was perfect!
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Johal E32
10-31-2014, 07:58 PM
Lol I've never seen a BMW that didn't leak oil from somewhere... Must be a German thing
lol, BMW's are pretty good at being leak free..
Hornung418
11-01-2014, 06:46 AM
Start time set for 11am. Had an eventful morning with the PCA. Got to meet some important people and some other new members. I'm the youngest...so that's a cool distinction. No pics...too busy looking with my eyes at all the cool cars!!
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Sockethead
11-01-2014, 07:34 PM
lol, BMW's are pretty good at being leak free..
That's what I thought until my wife worked as a service advisor at BMW. The V8s are notorious for leaking.They even have a term called engine reseal where they replace all the leaky gaskets. Every one we've had has leaked... 2 e46, e53, e82, the f30 isn't old enough to leak with only 19k on the clock.
Horney got lucky with his
ELCID86
11-02-2014, 11:50 AM
And??
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Hornung418
11-02-2014, 12:20 PM
At the store getting some exhaust bolts. The head is on but not torqued down. This is the hardest part of the process.
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ELCID86
11-02-2014, 12:35 PM
At the store getting some exhaust bolts. The head is on but not torqued down. This is the hardest part of the process.
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Good luck. Looking forward to good news.
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Hornung418
11-03-2014, 07:21 AM
An nother snag has arisen. The monkey-fisted tards that put the engine together at the speed shop in PA tightened the shit out of every bolt. So two different pieces have stripped threads. One of them holds the fuel rail in place...so we can't start the car until that thread is helicoiled. Super awesome.
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TheFinanceGuy
11-03-2014, 07:30 AM
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Johnmadd
11-03-2014, 08:14 AM
Damn man... :facepalm
az3579
11-03-2014, 09:03 AM
:facepalm
You just can't make this stuff up.
Hornung418
11-03-2014, 09:05 AM
The whole engine was extremely difficult to tear down. Nothing was saved. Torque spec? What's that?
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Sockethead
11-03-2014, 10:13 AM
Yea I always torque to spec. Especially aluminum... Learned that a long time ago working on motorcycles. That shop should of known better.
Hornung418
11-03-2014, 10:16 AM
Yea I always torque to spec. Especially aluminum... Learned that a long time ago working on motorcycles. That shop should of known better.
That's probably why they are no longer in business...
However...Porsche torque specs are known to be quite conservative which is probably why they leak everywhere.
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Sockethead
11-03-2014, 11:37 AM
Yea I always thought BMW spec are too...
There's been many a time when I've looked up a torque spec and been like WTF?
Hornung418
11-03-2014, 11:47 AM
I have torqued everything to comfortably tight. If it's under 20 ft-lbs I just hand tighten it because you cant tighten it more than 20 ft-lbs.
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Hornung418
11-05-2014, 02:47 PM
Headed south! Theres a leak at the oil cooler...but we are hoping it just needs a little more torque. Here's to hoping!
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Hornung418
11-05-2014, 03:50 PM
Fuck...leak at the oil cooler lines.
Not gonna be able to get the car tonight. This is becoming a nightmare. But this isn't costing me a damn thing, which is the only saving grace.
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Whitexi
11-05-2014, 04:00 PM
That's a bummer...Is that an easy fix or does it have to be torn down again?
Hornung418
11-05-2014, 04:06 PM
Difficult access. Need a special wrench.
A friend of ours forgot to mention that he made one when he did his seals. So he's bringing it over tomorrow night.
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Whitexi
11-05-2014, 04:13 PM
Difficult access. Need a special wrench.
A friend of ours forgot to mention that he made one when he did his seals. So he's bringing it over tomorrow night.
Sent from my GS3.
That really sucks! At least you have the tool though.
derbo
11-05-2014, 04:17 PM
Fuck...leak at the oil cooler lines.
Not gonna be able to get the car tonight. This is becoming a nightmare. But this isn't costing me a damn thing, which is the only saving grace.
Sent from my GS3.
It's okay, you waited this long, whats another night ;)
Hornung418
11-05-2014, 04:28 PM
It's okay, you waited this long, whats another night ;)
That's what I said on Sunday!!!
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Johnmadd
11-05-2014, 05:57 PM
Difficult access. Need a special wrench.
A friend of ours forgot to mention that he made one when he did his seals. So he's bringing it over tomorrow night.
Sent from my GS3.
This is the guy to know... I make all my specialty tools, my first was grinding a regular wrench thinner to access fan clutch.
derbo
11-05-2014, 10:57 PM
That's what I said on Sunday!!!
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:facepalm
Sockethead
11-06-2014, 07:50 AM
This is the guy to know... I make all my specialty tools, my first was grinding a regular wrench thinner to access fan clutch.
Yea I've welded some crazy wrenches...
Horney, let us know if we can assist..,
Hornung418
11-08-2014, 07:22 PM
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/08/f3bf674162c44e93d977b5a79b379028.jpg
kayger12
11-09-2014, 05:02 AM
Nice!!!!:cheers:roundel
Oli77
11-09-2014, 06:07 AM
Yeaaaaaaaahhhh. Tell us more...
johnrando
11-09-2014, 07:17 AM
Good news!
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Hornung418
11-09-2014, 02:55 PM
So I have an exhaust leak before the turbo. Performance is sluggish, but she runs. I imagine I just need to re-torque the bolts and nuts associated with the headers and get the crossover port plugged properly. Should be fantastic when I get new tuning chips in the DME.
Porsches rule! BMWs drool!
Hornung418
11-09-2014, 02:55 PM
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/09/64a18e0ec6dcfa9f7e3181b3e04756ac.jpg
Porsches rule! BMWs drool!
BCS_ZHP
11-09-2014, 05:46 PM
Porsches rule! BMWs drool!
But my "drooling BMWs" have been running reliably & religiously for the last couple of months, IDK...
Hornung418
11-09-2014, 05:56 PM
Porsches rule! BMWs drool!
But my "drooling BMWs" have been running reliably & religiously for the last couple of months, IDK...
My costly error during a regular maintenance event is what took the car out of service. Nothing the car did...just human error, between two people no less. I'm not worried about reliability from hear on out. Just looking to get through winter in one piece.
And just to clear the air, I'm not looking for anybody's approval on my car. Follow along if you'd like, but check your butthurt feelings at the door. If my school-yard taunt-like Tapatalk Signature bothers you so much as to make a comment about it (you're not the first Bruce), it only means its working.
Good evening, all.
Porsches rule! BMWs drool!
kayger12
11-09-2014, 06:10 PM
I think she's gorgeous- and, like the other gorgeous women that I've had in my life, worth the occasional headaches whether self induced or otherwise.
Glad you have her back. Cheers to many smiling miles. :cheers
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BCS_ZHP
11-09-2014, 06:14 PM
Justin,
I definitely don't wish you any will ill, that wasn't the intention of my post, just friendly poking between friends, I truly hope it works out for you. But your little "jab" closing statement on a BMW-centric website, well I had to dig back, that's just me. If you can get a 27 year old car to work for you as a daily & weekend sport chariot, more power to you.
Bruce
Hornung418
11-09-2014, 06:17 PM
Justin,
I definitely don't wish you any will ill, that wasn't the intention of my post, just friendly poking between friends, I truly hope it works out for you. But your little "jab" closing statement on a BMW-centric website, well I had to dig back, that's just me. If you can get a 27 year old car to work for you as a daily & weekend sport chariot, more power to you.
Bruce
I just frequent more than this forum and it is standard for everything I post on Tapatalk in general. This is still the best place to hang out.
Porsches rule! BMWs drool!
danewilson77
11-09-2014, 06:28 PM
I just frequent more than this forum and it is standard for everything I post on Tapatalk in general. This is still the best place to hang out.
Porsches rule! BMWs drool!
You can specify different sigs for different forums in TT.
It's all good though. If it's worth it to you to have it, go for it. If at some point you feel it's driving a wedge in the commaraderie here, I trust you'll do the right thing.
"No flamesuit required"
Hornung418
11-11-2014, 03:37 PM
Moving on from all that...I found my exhaust leak today.
Lost a nut and stud on the fourth cylinder. Replacements and spare should be arriving on Thursday. Shit always happens on Sunday or Federal Holiday.
Full boost pressure isn't reached in any gear and it takes a massive amount of time to get up to 30 mph.
Johnmadd
11-11-2014, 04:39 PM
This saddens me, hope it's an easy fix man.
Hornung418
11-11-2014, 04:44 PM
This saddens me, hope it's an easy fix man.
Super easy. Just install the new stud til it bottoms out in the head. Then tighten the 13mm flange nut til it won't go anymore plus a quarter turn. Should do the trick. I will snap a picture of the accessibility when the new stud and nut comes in on Thursday.
KevinC
11-11-2014, 06:05 PM
Speaking of sweet 944 Turbos.. look at this peach on eBay (via BaT)...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221601107165
Absolute time capsule. Dude is looking for $16.9k on Craigslist. If I had one less car, I'd be all over this like a hobo on a ham sandwich.
Hornung418
11-11-2014, 06:14 PM
Speaking of sweet 944 Turbos.. look at this peach on eBay (via BaT)...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221601107165
Absolute time capsule. Dude is looking for $16.9k on Craigslist. If I had one less car, I'd be all over this like a hobo on a ham sandwich.
Thats pretty awesome! It has the M018 option...steering hub spacer. Wonder if he'll trade me...I would slap the big turbo on it and upgrade the DME and thats a rocket! The Fuchs look great too. I want a set...but the ABS offsets are too great. :-(
kayger12
11-11-2014, 06:31 PM
Almost home, bro. :thumbsup
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Hornung418
11-12-2014, 11:43 AM
Well I just found a pretty comprehensive list of things the car had done to it. I have the full binder of the receipts, but this list is pretty concise.
http://188.227.172.82/Porsche/944/1987-porsche-944-turbo-coupe-2-door-2-5l-700058/
I just Googled the VIN and this For Sale Ad (that's still listed!) appeared in the search. Pretty sweet. I hope the head hasn't been worked over too much...
TheFinanceGuy
11-12-2014, 12:01 PM
That is pretty cool!
johnrando
11-12-2014, 02:09 PM
Good stuff.
Hornung418
11-12-2014, 07:39 PM
Driving home from the city tonight after having some awesome beers, the gasket shifts it's position and makes an aweful noise...so like a dumbass, I get out my ratchet and try to loosen the other bolt so I can put the gasket into position and retighten...of course I burned my hand and dropped the wrench...then retrieving the wrench I burned my finger...classic.
Looking forward to getting that spare stud tomorrow!!
Avetiso
11-12-2014, 08:20 PM
You know us car guys... We're pretty stupid. And we don't learn very well. :rofl
BCS_ZHP
11-12-2014, 08:22 PM
But it didn't really cost you anything, but some skin...
Hornung418
11-12-2014, 08:24 PM
She beckoned me and said...slip me some skin brother man...it was the worst 30 mile drive ever. I'm probably scorching the new exhaust valve with the lack of flow in the manifold.
johnrando
11-12-2014, 08:27 PM
You've definitely bonded now that you gave up some skin.
Newjack
11-12-2014, 08:28 PM
She beckoned me and said...slip me some skin brother man...
I read this in the oldest creepiest grandma voice I could imagine and I don't know why.
This is the stuff of nightmares.
Hornung418
11-12-2014, 08:29 PM
I read this in the oldest creepiest grandma voice I could imagine and I don't know why.
This is the stuff of nightmares.
No...just be cause she's a cougar, it doesn't make her a grandma.
I imagine her as the white lady that speaks jive in the movie, "Airplane!"
johnrando
11-12-2014, 08:37 PM
Excuse me, I speak jive.
Hornung418
11-12-2014, 08:40 PM
Excuse me, I speak jive.
Haha I thought I remembered that as being one of your favorite movies...
johnrando
11-12-2014, 08:41 PM
For sure. Good memory!
Hornung418
11-12-2014, 08:42 PM
For sure. Good memory!
:biggrin
Looks great man. I've been drooling over a wide body 911 in the Safeway parking lot near my house. Great looking cars but damn expensive.
az3579
11-13-2014, 04:18 AM
Hope it stays functional till you can get it fixed.
Driving home from the city tonight after having some awesome beers
Not something you should be admitting publicly...
Hornung418
11-13-2014, 04:40 AM
Not something you should be admitting publicly...
There is a limit and I'm well aware of where it is. I'll assure you that I was in good company and they wouldn't have let me drive if I was incapable of doing so.
Hornung418
11-13-2014, 06:10 AM
Stud and flanged nut are not arriving today...They ran out of studs before they could get mine in the mail. He's shipping today. I'm going to try to run an M8x1.25 35 mm bolt and washer as a temporary solution.
az3579
11-13-2014, 10:08 AM
There is a limit and I'm well aware of where it is. I'll assure you that I was in good company and they wouldn't have let me drive if I was incapable of doing so.
Stud and flanged nut are not arriving today...They ran out of studs before they could get mine in the mail. He's shipping today. I'm going to try to run an M8x1.25 35 mm bolt and washer as a temporary solution.
Good deal.
Hornung418
11-13-2014, 03:15 PM
Header bolt that's missing happens to be the locating hole for the 1-4 header. The other bolt is an enlarged hole that just has to be near the stud hole to allow it to thread. Tried all afternoon and got nothing done but re-seat the exhaust gasket that blew out on the way home yesterday. This car is becoming my enemy every day...Going to have to figure out how to get this done tomorrow.
Annoyed and freezing. It's 43 and raining here now.
Sockethead
11-14-2014, 10:13 AM
Holy shit you were out working on you car in that shit last night? That must of been painful. Our garage is always open for you bud :)
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