Help me find: E46 M3

[Avetiso]

Hey guys, so as you know, sold my ZHP. Now I'm looking for an M3, and I'd appreciate it if you guys could help me keep an eye out and let me know (via PM or through responding here) of any you see.

Requirements:
Body: Coupe only.
Color: No black or Oxford green. Will consider most other colors.
Title: Clean only, needs to be financed.
Transmission: 6MT only.
Year: Would like a 2003.5+, but will consider all years except 2001.
Options: I don't want a bare-bone car. I'd like things like auto headlights, heated seats, PDC, etc... but will consider all cars.
Budget: around $17,000.
Location: <1000 miles from Sacramento, CA, 95691. Will go roughly as far as Texas.

I'd really appreciate the help guys. As you know, finding an M is a bit of a race so if you see it, please link and PM me ASAP.

[johnrando]

Have you seen the one in the Apex ps7 wheel ad? Beautiful LSB vert and the guy is going to sell it.

[Newjack]

God damnit Dario.

[Avetiso]

Have you seen the one in the Apex ps7 wheel ad? Beautiful LSB vert and the guy is going to sell it.
I haven't. Reminds me, though, that I'd like a coupe. If I lived in SoCal where weather is usually sunny all year round, I'd go with a vert, but up here about 5-6 months are too cold for a drop top either way.

God damnit Dario.
Whaaaat? I'm not infringing on your market, I'm in the West!

[Johal E32]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4540008442.html

Kinda "ricey/cheap" but the skeleton of the car looks legit. Late model E46 M3, manual and cinnamon. IDK if rod bearings have been done. I would for sure assume the subframe needs reinforcement, might need a Valve adjustment, vanos still okay on it?

[Avetiso]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4540008442.html

Kinda "ricey/cheap" but the skeleton of the car looks legit. Late model E46 M3, manual and cinnamon. IDK if rod bearings have been done. I would for sure assume the subframe needs reinforcement, might need a Valve adjustment, vanos still okay on it?
Nice find! Not sure how I missed this. I'll talk to the guy.

[Hornung418]

What happened to saving money?!?!

Good luck on the search.

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[ELCID86]

What happened to saving money?!?!

Good luck on the search.

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+1


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[Johal E32]

Nice find! Not sure how I missed this. I'll talk to the guy.

So this car is like 15 min away from me. If you want an extra send of hands/eyes to check out the car LMK. I would happily come look at it with you. Also Wolfgang BMW in Walnut Creeek is a good place for PPI.

[SoarinZHP]

Here's one in Austin, TX...
http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4538166387.html

[Avetiso]

What happened to saving money?!?!

Good luck on the search.

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Wasn't about saving money, but rather turning my car into cash and getting another car while being about to keep the cash mostly intact.

So this car is like 15 min away from me. If you want an extra send of hands/eyes to check out the car LMK. I would happily come look at it with you. Also Wolfgang BMW in Walnut Creeek is a good place for PPI.
I would appreciate that. I will definitely let you know. How far is this from Sacramento?

Here's one in Austin, TX...
http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4538166387.html
SMG. :( Beautiful car, but I would rather get a manual. I know SMGII isn't as bad as everyone says it is, but I honestly don't want to potentially deal with any headaches.

[Avetiso]

In the meantime, anyone think I can possibly get financed for $15,000-$17,000 with a decent down payment and my job? Bad part is I just started that job, but I plan on working for a while. Or I can ask my dad to cosign, but he's trying to find another tractor trailer at the moment, and needs his credit as clear as possible to get financed.

[oldzilla]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=95691&endYear=2005&modelCode1=M3&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=100023432&startYear=2002&makeCode1=BMW&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&mmt=%5BBMW%5BM3%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=375658710&Log=0


Looks worn on the interior, may be worth checking.

[Avetiso]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=95691&endYear=2005&modelCode1=M3&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=100023432&startYear=2002&makeCode1=BMW&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&mmt=%5BBMW%5BM3%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=375658710&Log=0


Looks worn on the interior, may be worth checking.

Saw that. Interior looks pretty beat, and they said they are absolutely not willing to negotiate. Not being 2003.5+, either, made me want to pass that car.

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[Johal E32]

Wasn't about saving money, but rather turning my car into cash and getting another car while being about to keep the cash mostly intact.

I would appreciate that. I will definitely let you know. How far is this from Sacramento?

SMG. :( Beautiful car, but I would rather get a manual. I know SMGII isn't as bad as everyone says it is, but I honestly don't want to potentially deal with any headaches.

You're about 70 miles away. Less than 90 minutes, probably like 1 hour and 15 minutes.

[Trans]

In the meantime, anyone think I can possibly get financed for $15,000-$17,000 with a decent down payment and my job? Bad part is I just started that job, but I plan on working for a while. Or I can ask my dad to cosign, but he's trying to find another tractor trailer at the moment, and needs his credit as clear as possible to get financed.How is your credit? With a good credit and steady income, $15k-$17k wouldnt be a problem. But keep in mind, some/most lenders will not a finance a car older than 6-8 yrs or exceed a certain mileage. The rate is also a lot higher for an older car compare to a newer car. You're in Sac, I would talk to Golden1.

[Avetiso]

How is your credit? With a good credit and steady income, $15k-$17k wouldnt be a problem. But keep in mind, some/most lenders will not a finance a car older than 6-8 yrs or exceed a certain mileage. The rate is also a lot higher for an older car compare to a newer car. You're in Sac, I would talk to Golden1.

I have no credit. That's the problem. I do have a job but I justed started. I'm pretty screwed even though I could easily pay for it.

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[Hornung418]

No pay stubs for a month and the fact that the car is probably older than the 10 year max limit, makes it unlikely that you will be able to finance.

What I worked out with my credit union was taking a lien out on my mother's account. The personal loan interest rates turned out to be much better than an auto loan. We what your parents have to offer?

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[Avetiso]

No pay stubs for a month and the fact that the car is probably older than the 10 year max limit, makes it unlikely that you will be able to finance.

What I worked out with my credit union was taking a lien out on my mother's account. The personal loan interest rates turned out to be much better than an auto loan. We what your parents have to offer?

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Still need to talk to them. I want to see if they'd be willing to sign off or... Just lend me the cash? Not sure.

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[JKO_ZHP]

Wasn't going to show you this, but......
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/4534891428.html

If I wasn't still in school for another two months, I'd buy this right now. Seriously. Everything I ever wanted all in one package!!!!

[Avetiso]

Wasn't going to show you this, but......
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/4534891428.html

If I wasn't still in school for another two months, I'd buy this right now. Seriously. Everything I ever wanted all in one package!!!!

Saw that a while ago. It's very nice but not my cup of tea. I want amenities like the sunroof, auto/heated seats, etc. Call me weird.

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[JKO_ZHP]

Saw that a while ago. It's very nice but not my cup of tea. I want amenities like the sunroof, auto/heated seats, etc. Call me weird.

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No, it makes sense. BMW's a luxury brand after all!
I want it since it means weight savings plus alcantara/cloth = holds you down in the seat better than leather. Which means no need to buy aftermarket seats.
Plus this is the first person in a long while to actually have both keys on top of all the manuals and leather pouch.

[Vas]

Wasn't going to show you this, but......
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/4534891428.html

If I wasn't still in school for another two months, I'd buy this right now. Seriously. Everything I ever wanted all in one package!!!!

This is a good one. Love the seats and the lack of sunroof.

[cakM3]

That's an awesome ///M :thumbsup

[rguti153]

Damn nice

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[Hermes]

Saw that a while ago. It's very nice but not my cup of tea. I want amenities like the sunroof, auto/heated seats, etc. Call me weird.

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+1

Despite the fact that I am a fan of stripper cars this one just doesn't have much appeal to me. Maybe it's just the combo

[Avetiso]

Goodness grief people overprice their M3's like mad. I seriously close every other ad because they want 22k for their 110k mile M3.

[Johal E32]

Dario, never checked out the one near me?

Also, patience is key. My cousin looked for two years before he pulled the trigger :rofl

[Avetiso]

Dario, never checked out the one near me?

Also, patience is key. My cousin looked for two years before he pulled the trigger :rofl

Actually I'm going to text that guy right now, again. I want to check it out just been a tad busy, and I'm not a huge fan of the mods so it's a little off putting.

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[derbo]

Wasn't going to show you this, but......
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/4534891428.html

If I wasn't still in school for another two months, I'd buy this right now. Seriously. Everything I ever wanted all in one package!!!!


Damn this is my ideal car minus not being white or ZCP. Shame I'm not in the market for one.

[UdubBadger]

Just an FYI these cars are getting very popular again so your budget might even be on the lower side for a well maintained 6MT.

You can find SMG equipped cars all day long for under $19k.

Goin' HAM mobile

[Avetiso]

Just an FYI these cars are getting very popular again so your budget might even be on the lower side for a well maintained 6MT.

You can find SMG equipped cars all day long for under $19k.

Goin' HAM mobile
You know, I've heard that a lot, but almost all of the cars over $20,000 listed I see have been for sale, or have been selling, for a while. Sure, everyone comes along (forum buddies) and says "Great deal" or "beautiful car, GLWS", but these cars remain up for months. Only when they drop the price does it actually go.

I've seen multiple examples of this, but one that particularly stuck out to me was a 2004 M3 in Silvergray/black with 6MT, well equiped, and two sets of nice wheels, tons of extras, tons of maintenance, and 84k miles. Car was up for sale for $20k. Great deal, right?

Few weeks later, down to $18k. Wow, this will go fast, right?

Sold for $16k.

[UdubBadger]

Well lots of factors come into play. Not sure about that one, but just reporting what I see/hear.

Forum sales might be less than normal but I do know if you bought it from a dealership that would not be a $16k car.


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[cakM3]

Well lots of factors come into play. Not sure about that one, but just reporting what I see/hear.

Forum sales might be less than normal but I do know if you bought it from a dealership that would not be a $16k car.


Goin' HAM mobile

Very true….

[Avetiso]

Yeah for sure. Obviously dealer will be more because M but I would rather buy through a private party.

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[mbeckel]

http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4525879148.html

[mbeckel]

http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4522261494.html

[MiniD]

http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4525879148.html


2004 without LED tails..nice.

[derbo]

I thought LEDs came 2003.5

[OtterEffect]

I thought LEDs came 2003.5

That is what I thought too. So that car most likely isn't a 2004?


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[cakM3]

http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4525879148.html

This is not a 2004 ///M. Pic shows the ABS module in the drug bin inside the engine compartment. In 2004 and later ///Ms the ABS module was relocated underneith the airbox. Also 2003.5 and later came with LED tails afaik...


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[MiniD]

I thought LEDs came 2003.5

Exactly..obviously been hit and repaired incorrectly.

[Avetiso]

Exactly..obviously been hit and repaired incorrectly.

I'm more inclined to believe it's just mislabeled considering the abs module location.

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[derbo]

That is what I thought too. So that car most likely isn't a 2004?


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Just ask for the VIN. It will tell you all. It's nice that 2000 set the year digit to 0 and its easy to tell 2000-2009 cars.

[az3579]

All that stuff doesn't matter... The single deal breaker is GRRRRRREEEEEEEEYYYY!!


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[ELCID86]

All that stuff doesn't matter... The single deal breaker is GRRRRRREEEEEEEEYYYY!!


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I'd agree, but... interior swap...

[UdubBadger]

I like the grey actually.

I would just buy black door cards, center console and use black floor mats.


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[ELCID86]

unheated power seats: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1037896

[cakM3]

All that stuff doesn't matter... The single deal breaker is GRRRRRREEEEEEEEYYYY!!


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Not necessarily a deal breaker Botond....remember my ///M came with an all grey interior...;)


I'd agree, but... interior swap...

Dario, this was my solution to the ugly grey interior my ///M came with. I ultimately got the interior (with some OEM CSL components) I wanted with my TiAg exterior color....if you know where to source the interior parts from... anything is possible! :thumbsup

[az3579]

Swapping that interior is way too much work, IMO. Not only that, but it adds lots of additional expense.

[Avetiso]

Car I wanted just sold. :(

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[Newjack]

Car I wanted just sold. :(

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http://i.imgur.com/Pkmt37Q.jpg

[Avetiso]

http://i.imgur.com/Pkmt37Q.jpg

I felt the same way. Hey, at least our team won at the soccer game.

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[Avetiso]

Found a SWEET Phoenix Yellow M3 locally for a great price. Two turn offs, though. Gray interior, and it's SMG. Seems like a fantastic deal, though. The gray interior part can be fixed easily; I'd just wait to source an Imola, Cloth, or Cinn interior and swap it in.

More worried about the SMG, but if it ever breaks I would use that as a spur to swap to a 6MT... I could just keep a few grand in the bank as a just in case fund.

What do you guys think? It's a 2004, 90k mile car. Has navi. Looks pretty darn clean. $16,000.

[Oli77]

I can dig phoenix yellow and don't see interior color as a deal breaker. Its a used car, more important is chassis, engine and transmission to me.

[Hornung418]

No on Imola interior for that color...grey looks fitting for that color.

You should get a very thorough PPI and pay double what you are willing to pay for it. This is the single most important thing to have done when buying a used car.

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[Avetiso]

I can dig phoenix yellow and don't see interior color as a deal breaker. Its a used car, more important is chassis, engine and transmission to me.


No on Imola interior for that color...grey looks fitting for that color.

You should get a very thorough PPI and pay double what you are willing to pay for it. This is the single most important thing to have done when buying a used car.

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I'm checking it out tomorrow. Not a huge fan of PPI. I don't need to pay someone $200 to run through a checklist for me. But, I will take it to a shop I am familiar with so that I may get it on a lift and check out the subframe.

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[Hermes]

Personally not a fan of that color, Atacama is the only recent yellow I've liked from BMW

[Avetiso]

Personally not a fan of that color, Atacama is the only recent yellow I've liked from BMW

I know it's love or hate. Derek calls it bile yellow lol.

I love it, though.

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[Hermes]

I call it baby puke yellow

As for interior, black is the only color I can see matching well with that paint

[Avetiso]

I call it baby puke yellow

Haha. Nah baby puke is more brownish... Ask my nephew. :rofl

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[Vas]

I like Phoenix yellow or Dakar yellow.

[Torxuvin]

Have you driven the smg before? They are mildly problematic, but to be frank I just didn't enjoy the way they drove. Most people I know with them have had to replace the pump at least once. I would say that it's a little high for 90k miles. Especially since that probably means that it's immediately due for an inspection/valve adjustment then cooling system, FCABs, RTABs, and shocks aren't too far behind. Make sure you check the rear shock mounts too when you check the subframe.

Yeah, PY is a love it or hate it for sure. Not my cup of tea but they certainly are noticeable. The grey wouldn't be so bad if they just used black carpet and dashes with it...

[UdubBadger]

Have you driven the smg before? They are mildly problematic, but to be frank I just didn't enjoy the way they drove. Most people I know with them have had to replace the pump at least once. I would say that it's a little high for 90k miles. Especially since that probably means that it's immediately due for an inspection/valve adjustment then cooling system, FCABs, RTABs, and shocks aren't too far behind. Make sure you check the rear shock mounts too when you check the subframe.

Yeah, PY is a love it or hate it for sure. Not my cup of tea but they certainly are noticeable. The grey wouldn't be so bad if they just used black carpet and dashes with it...

Yep, all great points and also the reason I went 6mt.

Buddy who owned an SMG said he always felt like it was on the verge of breaking, wasn't smooth at all.


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[Torxuvin]

Yep, all great points and also the reason I went 6mt.

Buddy who owned an SMG said he always felt like it was on the verge of breaking, wasn't smooth at all.


Goin' HAM mobile

The DCT and even new automatics are a full head and shoulders above the smg. Faster and smoother.

[cakM3]

I have heard that the SMG was improved with the CSL programming though... my concern would still be when the SMG pump will need replacement...I would always worry about this issue if I had an ///M with SMG.

My friend has a 2004 ///M that came from the factory with SMG and he always had $5k in the bank just in case the SMG pump had failed. Eventually, he got tired of this and recently did an SMG to 6MT swap and is much happier knowing that this issue is past history....another reason if I pick up another ///M it won't be SMG...

[Vas]

3 pedals or bust

[Hornung418]

Yes CSL transmission programming decreases shift speed to almost .4 of a second...thats so much faster than a human can shift. If it breaks so what. It's still a manual transmission just with out a manual clutch pedal and shift selector. The parts total about $2,000 to do the swap, last I saw.

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[cakM3]

Yes CSL transmission programming decreases shift speed to almost .4 of a second...thats so much faster than a human can shift. If it breaks so what. It's still a manual transmission just with out a manual clutch pedal and shift selector. The parts total about $2,000 to do the swap, last I saw.

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Justin, it's just not that to complete the swap. You also have to reprogram the ECU - change personalities so to speak. There are software differences between SMG and 6MT so the ECU needs to know that it will now become an ECU for 6MT. If there are tuning s/w installed it only adds to the difficulty of making the changes as my friend is finding out right now...

[Hornung418]

You just reprogram the DME with the correct part number and remove the transmission computer. Shouldn't be any more difficult than a non-M swap. Only issue I think would be trouble is the reservoir on the intake for the SMG pump.

Dario, you should contact Trevor about all the SMG stuff.

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[cakM3]

... Only issue I think would be trouble is the reservoir on the intake for the SMG pump.

The swap overall was pretty straight forward. Even leaving the SMG reservoir in place does not affect anything once the 6MT conversion is complete (SMG reservoir is not connected to anything). My friend did this only because he didn't want to wait to have his SMG pump fail so he got everything done and sold off the good working parts to help fund his transformation...

[Avetiso]

I appreciate all the input, guys.

I haven't driven any SMGs yet, but I will ask the guy to either let me drive the car, or take me for a spirited drive in it. I hear that the majority of people who get used to it end up loving it. I also keep reading that driving it in auto mode is never smooth, and that auto is practically worthless.

As far as reliability, I hear that SMG is problematic, but I'm pretty sure it's overblown like crazy. I know there is a lot of anecdotal evidence saying it's bad, but any poll I find related to SMG is always 80%+ in favor of it (like this one http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=315343). 86% of polled people never had an issue with it.

As far as the swap, that IS the plan. I can do all of the work myself; that's not an issue. I can also update the DME and do all that crap myself. I'd go with Eurocharged for a tune, so getting retuned shouldn't be an issue when switching to MT. Just need to wait for it to break. The reason I'd risk it is because... I love the color. It's local. It's clean. It's inexpensive. PY really is pretty rare.

Also, if it does break, doing the swap can be done with nicer parts. I'd be able to go straight to my favorite SSK, clutch and flywheel combo, DSSR, etc...

I do plan on long-hauling with the car...but I've said that before. :shifty

And I do plan on haggling a bit on the car. $16k is the starting price, but I think it's a decent start point, is all. Any enthusiast would be asking $20k for it, unfortunately.

[Pip]

Mmm. Let me know how the test drive etc goes. I used to drool over a PY and LSB M3 at work. They've since left and I can no longer creep.

[Torxuvin]

I've personally known 8+ smg owners over the m3/m5/m6 generations. Only one car hasn't had to get any smg work done. Clutch replacements, pump replacements, random hydraulic issues etc. Thankfully for many of the replacements were done under warranty. One of my buddies has had over 20k worth of work on SMG systems alone on his e60. The m3 doesn't seem to be as fragile or quite as expensive to fix. Generally at 100-120k miles they've spent about 2k on refreshing the pump and system after failure. The smg was cutting edge at the time. To be fair the upgraded software makes a BIG difference. It's just hard to be satisfied with how remarkable the DCT is. Frankly if you want to do aftermarket clutch parts, it shouldn't matter what it starts with. Same work is involved. Just keep an eye on your budget for planning purposes. :cheers

Dario, you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. If you like the car and it's clean, go for it. Clean e46 M3s are getting harder and harder to find.

[Stigissimo]

Agreed with Vas - three pedals or bust. It's that extra pedal that makes the difference

[az3579]

I think you have to drive an SMG like it was a manual (let off the throttle, then shift) in order for the gear changes to be smooth.


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[Avetiso]

I think you have to drive an SMG like it was a manual (let off the throttle, then shift) in order for the gear changes to be smooth.


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Yup. I've heard that a lot. People say it shifts very smoothly.

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[Avetiso]

Just got back from test drive. Guy has had zero issues with the transmission over the last two years, and he drove it in auto mode for the most part. I do feel that the shifting is a little awkward, but I had the hang of it towards the end of the drive and it's definitely not bad. Just gotta get used to it. Didn't get much time with the car, but I did notice that the mirror leaked out (surprise, surprise). Paint looks very clean, few scuffs on the bumper and tiny things here and there, but overall, excellent. Newish rear tires, Hankook. Dove gray interior is a little worn but not bad, should clean up nice. Overall, I think I want to make a move on it. Gonna go hit up some credit unions right now.

[QC_ZHP]

Is the SMG fun? I catch myself thinking that it would be a blast to slap through the gears sometimes. I'd just be too reluctant to give up a 6spd to try one.

[Avetiso]

Is the SMG fun? I catch myself thinking that it would be a blast to slap through the gears sometimes. I'd just be too reluctant to give up a 6spd to try one.

I was in S5 or S6 and the speed with which it shifted puts MT to shame. It's scary.

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[Johal E32]

If you go SMG, get this car IMO

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4554521181.html

once the pump fails convert to 6 speed

[Avetiso]

If you go SMG, get this car IMO

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4554521181.html

once the pump fails convert to 6 speed
I think the car I'm looking at now is a better option. Better color (IMO) and it's almost $2,000 cheaper.

[Avetiso]

Well, talking to Safe Credit Union right now about either a) cosigning with my dad or b) having it solely on my dad. I'm thinking option b is better. I'll keep you guys posted of course, but I feel like the process will take too long and the car will be gone by then, but I'll talk to the seller and see if he is willing to work.

[Avetiso]

Dad makes $13,000 a month. Wants a loan for $14,000. They said no. Lol.

Oh, well. Guess I'll have to wait a little and try again in a month or two, but I can't help but feel bummed. Really wanted that color. :(

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[Johal E32]

Yeah it's hard getting a loan on a car over thats a few years old with over 50k miles.

[Avetiso]

Yeah it's hard getting a loan on a car over thats a few years old with over 50k miles.

I think it has more to do with his credit. He went through a bankruptcy a few years back and while he has been perfect since then, they still don't trust it.

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[OtterEffect]

Damn dude that sucks. I've been there. Can't wait to see what you end up with though! It's gonna be such a sick build!


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[Avetiso]

Damn dude that sucks. I've been there. Can't wait to see what you end up with though! It's gonna be such a sick build!


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Thanks. Well, at least the guy is super cool and let me push his SMG a bit. Got to know what it feels like. I know that I want Phoenix Yellow, though, because it's freaking gorgeous in person.

[cakM3]

Thanks. Well, at least the guy is super cool and let me push his SMG a bit. Got to know what it feels like. I know that I want Phoenix Yellow, though, because it's freaking gorgeous in person.

When you find that right ///M Dario, you'll know :thumbsup

[QC_ZHP]

Sucks to hear Dario. Do you have any cash for a down payment? When I was 19, I had a steady (6 months) job bringing in a few hundred a week and saved up $3k to put down on a $17.5K Mach 1. My mom cosigned and I was approved the loan. Maybe once you're at your job for a bit and can make a down payment, they'll let you take the loan on.

I agree on PY though. Not something that I'd be particularly interested in owning but there's a local one here slammed on ZCP's and its frickin gorgeous.

[JKO_ZHP]

I'm in no position to say anything about SMG esp. when I drive an auto but I came across a blog a while ago that documented all the problems that independent mechanics came across and their fixes, if any. It was a collective blog and indys from all over the U.S. could contribute to it, IIRC.

Personally, that discovery made me change my mind from "I may buy an SMG E46 M3 someday" to "6-speed or nothing."

EDIT: This was one of the blogs that I had read up on SMG about back then. Not the one mentioned above though.
http://sandiegobmw.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/smg-serious-money-gone-on-your-bmw/

[Avetiso]

Sucks to hear Dario. Do you have any cash for a down payment? When I was 19, I had a steady (6 months) job bringing in a few hundred a week and saved up $3k to put down on a $17.5K Mach 1. My mom cosigned and I was approved the loan. Maybe once you're at your job for a bit and can make a down payment, they'll let you take the loan on.

I agree on PY though. Not something that I'd be particularly interested in owning but there's a local one here slammed on ZCP's and its frickin gorgeous.

I can put up to $5k down right now. I think it's because of the bad credit.

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[Avetiso]

I'm in no position to say anything about SMG esp. when I drive an auto but I came across a blog a while ago that documented all the problems that independent mechanics came across and their fixes, if any. It was a collective blog and indys from all over the U.S. could contribute to it, IIRC.

Personally, that discovery made me change my mind from "I may buy an SMG E46 M3 someday" to "6-speed or nothing."

EDIT: This was one of the blogs that I had read up on SMG about back then. Not the one mentioned above though.
http://sandiegobmw.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/smg-serious-money-gone-on-your-bmw/
I've read that. Again, you need to understand that you will only hear stories about people who have issues. Put it in perspective, that probably less than 3% of all SMG owners ever have to replace their pumps. Not only that, I was of the same opinion of you (6MT or bust) but between the severe over-blowing of the whole SMG scare and realizing today that SMG simply shames MT in shift time (yes, it's that fast, try it), I do still consider it a good option.

Not only that, there is only so much faith you can put into things you read online. If I listed to what everyone said, I would have never done any salvage cars because "that's what everyone says" not to do. Every day I spend on forums and talking to enthusiasts, the less and less I believe what most of them say, because odds are, they are just repeating what somebody told them on the internet.

EDIT: Again, not hassling you or anything, but it's hard to get good info when 90% of people that say "6MT or bust" haven't even owned, let alone driven, an SMG M3. I'd still convert if the pump ever failed, though, but the only reason I'd go through that hassle is because I love Phx Yellow. Other than that, I'd just wait for an MT car, but in the case of an awesome color, I'd risk it.

[az3579]

EDIT: Again, not hassling you or anything, but it's hard to get good info when 90% of people that say "6MT or bust" haven't even owned, let alone driven, an SMG M3. I'd still convert if the pump ever failed, though, but the only reason I'd go through that hassle is because I love Phx Yellow. Other than that, I'd just wait for an MT car, but in the case of an awesome color, I'd risk it.

I agree with you that you should go based solely on facts. This is why I feel it's important to bring up the fact that you may think it shifts a lot faster than a regular 6MT would, but in reality all it's doing is banging those gears like some of the people I know would to a regular manual transmission. It is possible to shift a manual transmission as fast as the SMG in the fastest mode, but imagine what that would be like. It would feel pretty darn harsh and feel like it's beating on the transmission, right? That's EXACTLY what is going on with the SMG in its harshest shift setting. Just think about what that will do to the longevity in the long run, considering that the SMG transmission is the same as the 6-speed manual, with the addition of some components. You said you wanted to stick it out with this car; if that's the case, then this is definitely something to think about.

With this knowledge, if you're still interested in the SMG, personally I would recommend not using it in its harsh shift modes.

[Avetiso]

I agree with you that you should go based solely on facts. This is why I feel it's important to bring up the fact that you may think it shifts a lot faster than a regular 6MT would, but in reality all it's doing is banging those gears like some of the people I know would to a regular manual transmission. It is possible to shift a manual transmission as fast as the SMG in the fastest mode, but imagine what that would be like. It would feel pretty darn harsh and feel like it's beating on the transmission, right? That's EXACTLY what is going on with the SMG in its harshest shift setting. Just think about what that will do to the longevity in the long run, considering that the SMG transmission is the same as the 6-speed manual, with the addition of some components. You said you wanted to stick it out with this car; if that's the case, then this is definitely something to think about.

With this knowledge, if you're still interested in the SMG, personally I would recommend not using it in its harsh shift modes.
I'll PayPal you $10 if you can show me anyone shift transmission as fast as an SMG and it's not a dog box or a racing transmission (just for kicks, Wikipedia has the fastest manual transmission shift time listed at 250ms, still over 3x slower than SMG, and that's in a race transmission http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_time). :biggrin Remember, 80 milliseconds. 0.08 seconds. That's shorter than how long it would take anyone to even press the clutch in.

Not only that, imagine the anticipation of trying to shift that fast in a synchro transmission with a clutch? Trying to shift that fast would make me a littler nervous, because I'd practically have to wind up my foot and arm to get ready to even try it. And if you make a mistake, you can really damage your gearbox. I've certainly ground gears a few times because I got careless with my usage of clutch. Pretty sure computers don't make the same mistake.

Now don't get me wrong... I STILL WANT A MANUAL TRANSMISSION. I don't want to deal with expensive repairs, that's why. I'm not here to argue SMG v. MT because that's been beaten to death, but I'll play devils advocate and say that SMG definitely doesn't deserve all the hate it gets. And if it makes that cars a few thousand dollars cheap than MT variants... I'm not complaining. :rofl

[Vas]

I driven both the smg and the manual variant of the m3. For me manual is the way to go and not just because of the 3rd pedal.

To me the smg still feels like a clunky transmission and it's no where as good as a dual clutch unit. And if I can't have a dual clutch, I will only take a manual.

An smg feels like an auto trans with a modified valve body that just hits hard and direct through every gear. Sure it's fast between gears but not pleasent imo. And majority of the time you are driving it like a regular auto so I'll pass.

[Avetiso]

I driven both the smg and the manual variant of the m3. For me manual is the way to go and not just because of the 3rd pedal.

To me the smg still feels like a clunky transmission and it's no where as good as a dual clutch unit. And if I can't have a dual clutch, I will only take a manual.

An smg feels like an auto trans with a modified valve body that just hits hard and direct through every gear. Sure it's fast between gears but not pleasent imo. And majority of the time you are driving it like a regular auto so I'll pass.
I did find it jerky if you don't let go of the throttle, but if you let off the gas between shifts it's perfectly smooth. I did find rolling up to a stop to be weird, because it engages clutch in first gear towards the end and it jerks you forward, but I think there are ways to get around from doing that, like letting the transmission just disengage by itself when revs drop. It was a little weird driving it, but to me, it wouldn't be a dealbreaker because I don't focus on driving perfectly smooth even in a manual.

[az3579]

I'll PayPal you $10 if you can show me anyone shift transmission as fast as an SMG and it's not a dog box or a racing transmission (just for kicks, Wikipedia has the fastest manual transmission shift time listed at 250ms, still over 3x slower than SMG, and that's in a race transmission http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_time). :biggrin Remember, 80 milliseconds. 0.08 seconds. That's shorter than how long it would take anyone to even press the clutch in.

If you're going with that article, then look further down... SMGIII does it in 250ms, which is believable because it's around what most videos on YouTube show with the SMG set to S6. The E46 M3 has SMGII, which isn't any faster. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that it's just a manual transmission with extra bits. The DCT does the shift in 80 milliseconds, and that is undeniably faster than any human can ever manage, but not the SMG. This person I refer to did this kind of stuff all the time in his E30 M3 (yeah, he drove the piss out of it... S38 swap with turbos!) when I used to hang out with him, though he did powershift it. Technically it's faster, even if it is cheating a bit...


Regardless, despite this you seem ok with it, so I'll let you know if any good ones pop up if I stumble across one. Every once in a while I'll hear about one in my neck of the woods; you wouldn't be open to shipping would you?

[Vas]

Iono Mayne. Personal preference but it's not imola or Laguna secs lol. If it was only Dakar yellow.

I just see phoenix yellow as a faded looking big bird.

[OtterEffect]

Just to give it my 2 cents, my friend's dad has an 03 M3 with an SMG. I have driven it a fair amount and spent ample time in it and can attest to the fact that automatic mode struggles a bit. However, he tracks his car, dd's in San Fransisco, the wife and kids drive it as well and it has over 100k and the transmission is just fine. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a clean record because the pump blew up after 30k, but since the pump replacement it has worked flawlessly and taken more than its fair share of abuse from the others in the family that don't quite know how to drive it. The ferocity and speed of the shifts is pretty intoxicating, and when we just drive it around town, we set the tranny to it's least aggressive setting, leave it in paddle mode and use our right foot the same way we would in manual cars and it is smooth enough for out standards at least.

[UdubBadger]

I was in S5 or S6 and the speed with which it shifted puts MT to shame. It's scary.

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It's never seen me drive MT tho ;)


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[Avetiso]

It's never seen me drive MT tho ;)


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I'm dying to see. :biggrin

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[Avetiso]

If you're going with that article, then look further down... SMGIII does it in 250ms, which is believable because it's around what most videos on YouTube show with the SMG set to S6. The E46 M3 has SMGII, which isn't any faster. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that it's just a manual transmission with extra bits. The DCT does the shift in 80 milliseconds, and that is undeniably faster than any human can ever manage, but not the SMG. This person I refer to did this kind of stuff all the time in his E30 M3 (yeah, he drove the piss out of it... S38 swap with turbos!) when I used to hang out with him, though he did powershift it. Technically it's faster, even if it is cheating a bit...


Regardless, despite this you seem ok with it, so I'll let you know if any good ones pop up if I stumble across one. Every once in a while I'll hear about one in my neck of the woods; you wouldn't be open to shipping would you?
Probably not. Decent SMG variants pop up often enough that the cost to ship just doesn't make sense for me. Again, I'd only consider SMG if I was dying to have that color, like in this case. If it's gray or white or black... wouldn't even bother.

Iono Mayne. Personal preference but it's not imola or Laguna secs lol. If it was only Dakar yellow.

I just see phoenix yellow as a faded looking big bird.
:rofl I will say that it looks much better in person. It isn't as pale as the pictures make it look. I love it, though. I know everyone has their opinions, but if it's for me, I only really care about what I like. :p Of course, I would love Imola. I don't think I'd own Laguna Seca, though. It's nice, but I don't love it. As far as the bird look... that's just because the car is supah fly...

Just to give it my 2 cents, my friend's dad has an 03 M3 with an SMG. I have driven it a fair amount and spent ample time in it and can attest to the fact that automatic mode struggles a bit. However, he tracks his car, dd's in San Fransisco, the wife and kids drive it as well and it has over 100k and the transmission is just fine. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a clean record because the pump blew up after 30k, but since the pump replacement it has worked flawlessly and taken more than its fair share of abuse from the others in the family that don't quite know how to drive it. The ferocity and speed of the shifts is pretty intoxicating, and when we just drive it around town, we set the tranny to it's least aggressive setting, leave it in paddle mode and use our right foot the same way we would in manual cars and it is smooth enough for out standards at least.
Yeah, it definitely takes some getting used to. But when flogging it... man. You are right, intoxicating is definitely what I'd describe it as. Listening to the engine scream and then being thrown into the next gear almost instantly... I feel like shedding a few tears right now because I can't buy the car. :(

[OtterEffect]

Yeah, it definitely takes some getting used to. But when flogging it... man. You are right, intoxicating is definitely what I'd describe it as. Listening to the engine scream and then being thrown into the next gear almost instantly... I feel like shedding a few tears right now because I can't buy the car. :(

Nothing like a kick in the head at 8,000 rpm :rolleyes. But I know the feel man. It will be worth it in the end though. And I know that from experience, I almost bought 3 cars prior to buying yours but they all fell through and damn was it worth it.



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[Hermes]

Interlagos is my favorite M3 color

http://tenfifteen.net/photos/m3/m3-01.jpg

[TheFinanceGuy]

Um, this by far the best color...

http://freehdwalls.net/wp-content/uploads/bmw-m3-e46-red-car-hd-wallpaper.jpg


Dario- Have you tried to get a loan by yourself? I understand you are not making a ton of money at this stage in your life- but you'd be surprised. It sounds like you only ran the loan request under your dads name? What did the officer say about having both? That would be your credit, and his income.

[gmurphy]

Is the SMG fun? I catch myself thinking that it would be a blast to slap through the gears sometimes. I'd just be too reluctant to give up a 6spd to try one.

Yes until the pump blows out. ;)


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[UdubBadger]

Um, this by far the best color...

http://freehdwalls.net/wp-content/uploads/bmw-m3-e46-red-car-hd-wallpaper.jpg


Dario- Have you tried to get a loan by yourself? I understand you are not making a ton of money at this stage in your life- but you'd be surprised. It sounds like you only ran the loan request under your dads name? What did the officer say about having both? That would be your credit, and his income.

Would be unlikely it would go through because of a likely low income/debt ratio and small credit history (I assume).

If your dad is pulling down $13k a month why not take out a loan from his savings account? No or low interest for you, dad helps out his kid, everybody wins.


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[Avetiso]

Interlagos is my favorite M3 color

http://tenfifteen.net/photos/m3/m3-01.jpg
Love that color, too. But people that own ZCP in Interlagos and MT want like $25k minimum practically.

Um, this by far the best color...

http://freehdwalls.net/wp-content/uploads/bmw-m3-e46-red-car-hd-wallpaper.jpg


Dario- Have you tried to get a loan by yourself? I understand you are not making a ton of money at this stage in your life- but you'd be surprised. It sounds like you only ran the loan request under your dads name? What did the officer say about having both? That would be your credit, and his income.
I have. I have zero credit history at this point in time. I do have a job, but no pay stubs to prove it because I just started. Also, I have $6,000 a year in income that I don't pay taxes on because it's just between my brother and I, which the banks are not able to actually consider as legit.
Safe CU gave me an conditional $10k loan if I got my parents to cosign, but they are not able to cosign because their credit score blows. Another credit union denied me outright. Interestingly, the fact that I can put $5k down on $16,000 car doesn't matter to them.

Would be unlikely it would go through because of a likely low income/debt ratio and small credit history (I assume).

If your dad is pulling down $13k a month why not take out a loan from his savings account? No or low interest for you, dad helps out his kid, everybody wins.


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California Air Resources Board, that is why. Dad had to drop nearly $50k on a newer truck that is younger than 2008 because new regulations made his old, perfectly good and outrightly owned truck, illegal in CA. He couldn't even get that financed very well so he had to split that cost and paid most of it in cash. He could technically lend me the money either way, but I kind of want to build credit it while doing so and that wouldn't build credit (except with my dad!).

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[TheFinanceGuy]

I have. I have zero credit history at this point in time. I do have a job, but no pay stubs to prove it because I just started. Also, I have $6,000 a year in income that I don't pay taxes on because it's just between my brother and I, which the banks are not able to actually consider as legit.
Safe CU gave me an conditional $10k loan if I got my parents to cosign, but they are not able to cosign because their credit score blows. Another credit union denied me outright. Interestingly, the fact that I can put $5k down on $16,000 car doesn't matter to them.

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Man, wish I could bank roll this for you. However, my money is in escrow right now. Hopefully closing on a 4 unit apartment building soonish.... If inspections go well.

[Avetiso]

Man, wish I could bank roll this for you. However, my money is in escrow right now. Hopefully closing on a 4 unit apartment building soonish.... If inspections go well.

Bank roll? Not familiar.

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[az3579]

Personally, I built credit by just putting stupid things on a credit card and paying it off. Just do that for a while and you'll have excellent credit. :)

You don't even have to pay it off. Put something like a mod on the credit card and take a few months to pay it off. That way, the regular payments is what they're really looking for.


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[Avetiso]

Personally, I built credit by just putting stupid things on a credit card and paying it off. Just do that for a while and you'll have excellent credit. :)


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Opened my first three cards this month. Doing that already but I'm not sure how fast it builds it.

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[az3579]

Opened my first three cards this month. Doing that already but I'm not sure how fast it builds it.

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I had my cards for 3-4 years before I ever checked my credit score (when I got the loan for my ZHP), so unfortunately can't answer that question.


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[NoVAphotog]

Bank roll? Not familiar.

From dictionary:

verb (used with object)
2.
Informal. to finance; provide funds for: to bankroll a new M3. :P

[Avetiso]

From dictionary:

verb (used with object)
2.
Informal. to finance; provide funds for: to bankroll a new M3.

:rofl

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[Vas]

Man that sucks about credit. Maybe another round with another zhp?

[Avetiso]

Man that sucks about credit. Maybe another round with another zhp?

I doubt I could get even financed for that lol. I'll just wait a bit. I have a car to drive.

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[Johal E32]

ZCP doe

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4562836127.html
muffler looks kind of whack, probably rubber hangers are busted

[UdubBadger]

Love that color, too. But people that own ZCP in Interlagos and MT want like $25k minimum practically.

I have. I have zero credit history at this point in time. I do have a job, but no pay stubs to prove it because I just started. Also, I have $6,000 a year in income that I don't pay taxes on because it's just between my brother and I, which the banks are not able to actually consider as legit.
Safe CU gave me an conditional $10k loan if I got my parents to cosign, but they are not able to cosign because their credit score blows. Another credit union denied me outright. Interestingly, the fact that I can put $5k down on $16,000 car doesn't matter to them.

California Air Resources Board, that is why. Dad had to drop nearly $50k on a newer truck that is younger than 2008 because new regulations made his old, perfectly good and outrightly owned truck, illegal in CA. He couldn't even get that financed very well so he had to split that cost and paid most of it in cash. He could technically lend me the money either way, but I kind of want to build credit it while doing so and that wouldn't build credit (except with my dad!).

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A lot of CUs will turn down people. Try Capitol One or B.o.A. They're more liberal. You apply as primary and have someone consign with decent income and a 600 or more FICO and you should be able to get it as long as it meets their age/mileage requirements.


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[Pip]

I have patelco right now and while I met the age/mileage for the current car I called them up and had them check a couple years after the listed age/mileage and they would still offer the loan so maybe calling/in person would be different. I know some of the older car loans come with hefty percentages, but if you're paying off quick shouldn't matter (assuming parents help pay off quick and then you owe them).

[Avetiso]

ZCP doe

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4562836127.html
muffler looks kind of whack, probably rubber hangers are busted
Looks really clean. Overpriced. And that's already too many miles for me honestly.

A lot of CUs will turn down people. Try Capitol One or B.o.A. They're more liberal. You apply as primary and have someone consign with decent income and a 600 or more FICO and you should be able to get it as long as it meets their age/mileage requirements.


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Thanks for the advice. I heard CUs were better and easier which is I haven't tried the other ones.

I have patelco right now and while I met the age/mileage for the current car I called them up and had them check a couple years after the listed age/mileage and they would still offer the loan so maybe calling/in person would be different. I know some of the older car loans come with hefty percentages, but if you're paying off quick shouldn't matter (assuming parents help pay off quick and then you owe them).
I don't mind a higher percentage so long as I can get a decent loan. Interestingly, patelco is the financier of the phoenix yellow m3. I'll try to fill out some applications.


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[TheFinanceGuy]

http://www.reinaintlauto.com/2002-bmw-m3--c-1280.htm

[UdubBadger]

Looks really clean. Overpriced. And that's already too many miles for me honestly.

Thanks for the advice. I heard CUs were better and easier which is I haven't tried the other ones.

I don't mind a higher percentage so long as I can get a decent loan. Interestingly, patelco is the financier of the phoenix yellow m3. I'll try to fill out some applications.


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Call first because the inquiries of applications will actually start to lower your FICO score.


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[TheFinanceGuy]

Call first because the inquiries of applications will actually start to lower your FICO score.


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This is true.

Another good tool that can be used is CreditKarma.com

[UdubBadger]

Agreed but he doesn't know each banks qualification limits


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[Newjack]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=20895&endYear=2006&modelCode1=M3&sortBy=distanceASC&showcaseOwnerId=72659&startYear=2001&makeCode1=BMW&listingTypes=all&searchRadius=500&maxPrice=22000&mmt=%5BBMW%5BM3%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=371967917&Log=0


Let me know if you want me to take a look at this one for you. Worth the drive.

[E_Rak]

LOL.

[Hornung418]

Appalling.

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[BCS_ZHP]

Dario,
Here's a little thing you could grab to put on your eventual M3

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/pts/4525419683.html

[ELCID86]

:-)


http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4561657675.html


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[TigerTater]

http://europeanautosource.com/blog/phoenix-yellow-m3-subframe-reinforcement.html

PHOENIX YELLLOWWW....just because pictures make the hunt worth it..

[E_Rak]

:drool

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1044672

[Newjack]

:drool

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1044672
Mfw 38.7k asking price.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt926ge36h1r0ftodo1_500.gif

[Avetiso]

:-)


http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4561657675.html


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Not what I'm looking for. :rofl

http://europeanautosource.com/blog/phoenix-yellow-m3-subframe-reinforcement.html

PHOENIX YELLLOWWW....just because pictures make the hunt worth it..
Love that color.

:drool

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1044672
Overpriced. I can get a clean E92 ///M for that price. E46 M3 owners are smoking something.

[Avetiso]

Mfw 38.7k asking price.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt926ge36h1r0ftodo1_500.gif
+1

[UdubBadger]

Yeah don't pay over $20k unless absurdly low miles


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[Avetiso]

BofA says no, too. No credit history. I tried talking to them before I applied but they just said, "You'll only know if you apply."

Not very helpful. I guess I'll return to this in a month or two.

[poke08]

Hopefully you find what you're looking for soon. I was considering getting into an M3 if my ZHP sold but I figured the maintenance costs would probably eat me alive but we'll see how things go.

[UdubBadger]

Dario shoot me a PM, might have some creative ideas for you.


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[yura]

Opened my first three cards this month. Doing that already but I'm not sure how fast it builds it.

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I don't think there's any benefit in taking multiple months to pay off a purchase. I've always paid off my CCs in full at the end of every month. What I've been told is to put a cheap, recurring subscription on one credit card (like a $5/month radio subscription, or just buy a Starbucks on the 1st of every month), and always pay it off in full and on time - that builds good credit.

[UdubBadger]

^correct but unfortunately it will never increase your credit either. Part (only part) of having good credit is having a few high limit options out there. If you have enough income and make some bigger purchases that also get paid right off they will bump your limits too.


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[TheFinanceGuy]

BofA says no, too. No credit history. I tried talking to them before I applied but they just said, "You'll only know if you apply."

Not very helpful. I guess I'll return to this in a month or two.

Damn. That sucks.

[ELCID86]

Did y'all see this? $9k! http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1044723

[cakM3]

Did y'all see this? $9k! http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1044723

Might be hidden issues with this car. The owner doesn't know when the last time valve guide adjustments were done on this car....that is one of the most important maintenance items to do with this car....leads me to suspect there are other maintenance items that weren't done.... something to point out Shawn...

[Avetiso]

^correct but unfortunately it will never increase your credit either. Part (only part) of having good credit is having a few high limit options out there. If you have enough income and make some bigger purchases that also get paid right off they will bump your limits too.


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Sent you a pm seth

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[TigerTater]

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1009523

Prolly a smidge over priced...buy hey its Phoenix Yellow!

[UdubBadger]

He needs financing before he can pick something out.


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[Avetiso]

Been shooting out other applications but my parents credit score is a deterrent.

[Avetiso]

Bam! Finally got one. Interest rates are a killer, but I'll take it. $13k at 12.99% if it's a 2004-2005 or 9.99% if it's a 2006. Both rates can be dropped by .50% if I set up an auto payment.

[Avetiso]

Here's the Phoenix Yellow I looked at again this morning.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/y9usybez.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/beqybyhy.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/me9adaju.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/egasaha3.jpg

[Pip]

I'm famous. I can see my arm.

[NorCal-Dimitri]

I thought you weren't even looking at smg's though.

[fredo]

Looks clean. Is this "the one" ?

[Avetiso]

I'm famous. I can see my arm.
And that phat watch.

I thought you weren't even looking at smg's though.
I'd consider an SMG if it meant getting this color. Would swap in the event of a pump failure.

Looks clean. Is this "the one" ?
I don't believe in "the one" mentality, but it's a good car at a good price point. If it's not this one, there will be more.

[UdubBadger]

Bam! Finally got one. Interest rates are a killer, but I'll take it. $13k at 12.99% if it's a 2004-2005 or 9.99% if it's a 2006. Both rates can be dropped by .50% if I set up an auto payment.

That's still nasty, almost triple a normal rate. Where is it from?


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[Hornung418]

Holy interest rate, Batman!!!

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[MiniD]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291196561660

[Taliben]

But dat interest rate doe....

[OtterEffect]

That is a steep rate alright... But what a gorgeous car :drool


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[Vas]

Dang at those interest rates. My local credit union did a 4% rate when i was car shopping for a car 2007 and older for 4 years.

[Avetiso]

Please remember guys that these are the only people that would even consider financing me. It may be high but for no credit history... I'll live with it.

[Avetiso]

That's still nasty, almost triple a normal rate. Where is it from?


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Patelco credit Union. By the way, if the car was a 2007+, it'd be 6%. It's because of the age.

[OtterEffect]

Please remember guys that these are the only people that would even consider financing me. It may be high but for no credit history... I'll live with it.

That's true, at least you got the loan despite no credit history!


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[Avetiso]

So what do you guys think? 2004 SMG in phoenix yellow, 91k miles, pretty clean body, gray interior is pretty beat up, will need new rotors and brakes soon, new front tires soon. But other than that, car seems pretty darn solid. I was thinking of offering him 14.5k.

[NorCal-Dimitri]

I like everything about it except the transmission and the interior, but I only like black interiors. I say go for it!

If you really get to it you can bring it to Euro Sunday ;)

[Avetiso]

I like everything about it except the transmission and the interior, but I only like black interiors. I say go for it!

If you really get to it you can bring it to Euro Sunday ;)
Not possible. :( Since I could only get my mother on the loan, she has to sign it. She left today and won't be home for two weeks. I'm gonna call the guy and talk to him tomorrow but he will probably end up listing it again.

Interiors can be swapped (damn have I done that before) but I'd only do it in the case of a nice one, like mint black or a nice cinnamon interior.

[NorCal-Dimitri]

Not possible. :( Since I could only get my mother on the loan, she has to sign it. She left today and won't be home for two weeks. I'm gonna call the guy and talk to him tomorrow but he will probably end up listing it again.

Interiors can be swapped (damn have I done that before) but I'd only do it in the case of a nice one, like mint black or a nice cinnamon interior.

Well damn, that's gonna be a painful two weeks. Maybe it's not meant to be though.

[Avetiso]

Well damn, that's gonna be a painful two weeks. Maybe it's not meant to be though.
Perhaps. Guy needs to sell it to refi his house. He's in a bit of a rush. Not much else for sale locally.

Meanwhile, my brothers are totally on my ass because "you don't need an M3 for college."

Whatever.

[NorCal-Dimitri]

Perhaps. Guy needs to sell it to refi his house. He's in a bit of a rush. Not much else for sale locally.

Meanwhile, my brothers are totally on my ass because "you don't need an M3 for college."

Whatever.

There is no reason not to own an M3.

[UdubBadger]

$14.5 might not get you that car but obviously try. E46 M3s are becoming the new collector status cars. Get it cheap if you can but if you really want it don't push too hard.

In all fairness I think you're making a big mistake with the SMG but that's your choice. Don't discount that it doesn't drive as well and even if you're planning to just swap to a 6mt if it fail, why bother with the expensive hassle? Just get the 6mt in the first place.


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[ELCID86]

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks that is a usury rate.


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[az3579]

Speaking from experience with my ZHP, I wouldn't waste my time getting a loan for a car that needs work. I'd get something pretty top top if I was going to spend the next 4-6 years paying for it.


I'm still making payments after 4 years and I hate it. Love the car, but damn... Sick of paying $380 a month on something that's worth less to the insurance company as what I owe... Mind you, that's with a 4.29% interest rate!


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[Avetiso]

Ugh. Manuals are so expensive when they are even listed... And school starts in a month.

[Avetiso]

There is seriously not a single manual worth looking at within 200 miles.

[Taliben]

Honestly man if I were you I would hold out until you could really afford it or could get a loan with a MUCH lower interest rate. Taking a loan out with that sort of interest rate to buy a near 10 year old car that's gonna need maintenance and what not is a pretty poor financial decision to be honest. Especially while you're in college. Hate to say it, but your brothers are right. Don't make a decision now that you'll regret in a couple years. Are you 150% sure you can pay off the loan?

[Avetiso]

Honestly man if I were you I would hold out until you could really afford it or could get a loan with a MUCH lower interest rate. Taking a loan out with that sort of interest rate to buy a near 10 year old car that's gonna need maintenance and what not is a pretty poor financial decision to be honest. Especially while you're in college. Hate to say it, but your brothers are right. Don't make a decision now that you'll regret in a couple years. Are you 150% sure you can pay off the loan?
You can never be 100% sure you can repay a loan. Such is life. For the foreseeable future, yes, I can easily repay the loan.

10 years old is not a problem. Many people told me the same thing when I bought my first, and then my second, ZHP. The maintenance scares are far overblown, and I can do 99% of jobs myself, so maintenance and fixing things is not an issue.

About the interest rate; I'm kinda offended you guys honestly think I intend on paying 12.99% for 5 years! :biggrin I have no credit history. Give it a year and my credit will be more than good enough to refi the car under another bank auto loan or even a personal loan. Maybe even in two years when my credit inquiries go away. On top of that, if the payment is $292 a month for the car, I plan on giving between $380-$450 a month for it to shoot down the balance faster.

[Oli77]

Don't be offended Dario. People are telling you what they think about the rate, and yes, it's high. But in your predicament, there isn't much you can do.

That, or wait until your credit history builds up.

[Avetiso]

Don't be offended Dario. People are telling you what they think about the rate, and yes, it's high. But in your predicament, there isn't much you can do.

That, or wait until your credit history builds up.
I understand. Totally meant it as a joke; I appreciate all the input.

Thinking about it a lot.

[Avetiso]

There's this one here. (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=95691&endYear=2006&modelCode1=M3&showcaseOwnerId=100023432&startYear=2004&makeCode1=BMW&searchRadius=500&maxPrice=18000&mmt=[BMW[M3[]][]]&listingId=371569253&Log=0)
Mileage is even worse, 122k. Probably a no-go but I'd get a lower rate because 2006 (9.49%) and it's Interlagos blue, clear bra and paint is really clean, SMG pump already replaced, etc... I'd probably offer him like 14k for it since it's been for sale for a while already. No more than that because miles.

[ELCID86]

link doesn't work

[Vas]

06, blue and zcp. If its in good condition, i would look past the mileage. 120k is not that bad as you make it seem out to be. Only downside is when you are done paying it off mileage will be alot higher.

But those interest rates still blow. I thought patelco would give better rates since its a credit union.

[Avetiso]

link doesn't work
Try it now.

06, blue and zcp. If its in good condition, i would look past the mileage. 120k is not that bad as you make it seem out to be. Only downside is when you are done paying it off mileage will be alot higher.

But those interest rates still blow. I thought patelco would give better rates since its a credit union.
Valid points. Mileage wise I'd like lower but so long as price reflects mileage, I'm down.

Yeah, I thought I'd get better rates than that, but it's because of the credit. Once my credit is good I could probably shave that down to like 4%-5% and refinance the car through Patelco again or through a different bank.

[ELCID86]

I love the blue exterior. Blue interior??

[Avetiso]

I love the blue exterior. Blue interior??
No. Ad is mislabeled. It's black.

[UdubBadger]

Dario if that's how you feel about the manuals, maybe you need to consider that an e46 M isn't the right car for you right now. Doesn't mean it can't be in the future but you're in school, horrible financing rate and can't find what you really want... Forcing it might not be beneficial to you in the long run.


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[Avetiso]

Dario if that's how you feel about the manuals, maybe you need to consider that an e46 M isn't the right car for you right now. Doesn't mean it can't be in the future but you're in school, horrible financing rate and can't find what you really want... Forcing it might not be beneficial to you in the long run.


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I'm weary of the increased cost of manuals, but I do want one. I'm just willing to consider a nice SMG car, too. Not gonna force it. I would never sign on a car I didn't love just the for sake of owning an M. I'll keep looking for now; still have time. Maybe I'll just drive godzilla around this semester (gas guzzler to the max, though) and revisit the question in a few months.

Maybe I'll find another ZHP.

[QC_ZHP]

I wouldn't do it for rates like that. Time value of money dude, I made the same choice at 19 ($13.5K loan) and sold it within a year. Get your credit up and a fat down payment and I promise you it will feel so much better getting behind the wheel. You're gonna hate the thing if you strains you financially with maintenance costs on top of a payment with a high interest rate. With rates like that, you're throwing way too much money down the drain.

[Avetiso]

I wouldn't do it for rates like that. Time value of money dude, I made the same choice at 19 ($13.5K loan) and sold it within a year. Get your credit up and a fat down payment and I promise you it will feel so much better getting behind the wheel. You're gonna hate the thing if you strains you financially with maintenance costs on top of a payment with a high interest rate. With rates like that, you're throwing way too much money down the drain.
Might do that, too. Again, though, I have no intention of paying that rate for long.

It is a ridiculous rate, though. :rofl

[az3579]

There's this one here. (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=95691&endYear=2006&modelCode1=M3&showcaseOwnerId=100023432&startYear=2004&makeCode1=BMW&searchRadius=500&maxPrice=18000&mmt=[BMW[M3[]][]]&listingId=371569253&Log=0)
Mileage is even worse, 122k. Probably a no-go but I'd get a lower rate because 2006 (9.49%) and it's Interlagos blue, clear bra and paint is really clean, SMG pump already replaced, etc... I'd probably offer him like 14k for it since it's been for sale for a while already. No more than that because miles.

Charlie's car is the PERFECT example of why you shouldn't discount higher mileage cars. His car dyno'ed on the high end of the dyno scale for a relatively stock motor (just an intake) and his has damn near 160k on it!

[Trans]

Maybe I'll find another ZHP.This what I dont understand. Your OB 6MT ZHP was the perfect car for your situation. You put a lot of work into to make it look nice and runs good. And it was already paid off. Thought you only got rid of it to invest the money. Should have kept it throughout your college years, and build some credit while you're in school. After school is done, you can go after the M3. That would be a better investment than buying a M3 now with high interest rates. Plus whatever hidden issues come with the M3.

But what's done is done. I'm glad you were able to get an loan. Just FYI about the PPI, I believe Elk Grove BMW does it for free. I know a guy took his car there for a free PPI.

[Trans]

Charlie's car is the PERFECT example of why you shouldn't discount higher mileage cars. His car dyno'ed on the high end of the dyno scale for a relatively stock motor (just an intake) and his has damn near 160k on it!I dont think the issues with having a high mileage M3 is the mechanical issues, but resale value. Resale value sucks major when you have a high mileage (150+k) performance car like a M3. If will be tough to sell unless you list it for cheap enough a poor high school kid can buy it to impress his pals.

[Avetiso]

Charlie's car is the PERFECT example of why you shouldn't discount higher mileage cars. His car dyno'ed on the high end of the dyno scale for a relatively stock motor (just an intake) and his has damn near 160k on it!
Yes, but Charlie's case is a bit different because Charlie got there himself and he knows what the treatment was like. It is definitely proof that the car can be strong after many, many miles, however.

This what I dont understand. Your OB 6MT ZHP was the perfect car for your situation. You put a lot of work into to make it look nice and runs good. And it was already paid off. Thought you only got rid of it to invest the money. Should have kept it throughout your college years, and build some credit while you're in school. After school is done, you can go after the M3. That would be a better investment than buying a M3 now with high interest rates. Plus whatever hidden issues come with the M3.

But what's done is done. I'm glad you were able to get an loan. Just FYI about the PPI, I believe Elk Grove BMW does it for free. I know a guy took his car there for a free PPI.
I did invest some of the money already, and I actually start getting my first returns on that investment on Friday. :) My old ZHP was a great car, no doubt about it. I do miss it. However, I do still think it was the right thing to do in my case for a multitude of reasons, the biggest being salvage title depreciation.

I dont think the issues with having a high mileage M3 is the mechanical issues, but resale value. Resale value sucks major when you have a high mileage (150+k) performance car like a M3. If will be tough to sell unless you list it for cheap enough a poor high school kid can buy it to impress his pals.
Yeah, for sure. One of the things in my head.

[Avetiso]

Guy just relisted the PY M3 for 15k on CL. Hopefully he still has it in 2 weeks when I can sign a loan but we'll see.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/4589431373.html

[Trans]

Guy just relisted the PY M3 for 15k on CL. Hopefully he still has it in 2 weeks when I can sign a loan but we'll see.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/4589431373.html Maybe put down a deposit for him to hold it for you?

[Avetiso]

Maybe put down a deposit for him to hold it for you?
He needs to refi his house and wants it gone by the end of the month. He told me to get back to him if it's still listed in two weeks but he needs to sell it quick. :(

[fredo]

Today is the 27th. Do you mean he wants to sell by end of August ?

[Avetiso]

Today is the 27th. Do you mean he wants to sell by end of August ?
End of this month. My parents will be home the 7th, so that is the earliest I could buy it.

[fredo]

I see. Hope things work out for you.

[derbo]

Good luck Dario.

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[Avetiso]

I see. Hope things work out for you.


Good luck Dario.

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Thanks, guys.

[TheFinanceGuy]

Hot damn! I'm late to game. But good luck!!


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[UdubBadger]

I dont think the issues with having a high mileage M3 is the mechanical issues, but resale value. Resale value sucks major when you have a high mileage (150+k) performance car like a M3. If will be tough to sell unless you list it for cheap enough a poor high school kid can buy it to impress his pals.

Likely can't finance a car with 150k on the clock either. Hard to find a lender who will do it with 75k or older than 8 yrs tbh.


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[mbeckel]

Likely can't finance a car with 150k on the clock either. Hard to find a lender who will do it with 75k or older than 8 yrs tbh.


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Yes very true. Best bet might be a credit union. A large down payment is a plus

[Avetiso]

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/4590985487.html

[NoVAphotog]

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/4590985487.html

There it is.

[Avetiso]

There it is.
Not sure I want to get another black car, though. Bit of a pain in the rear keeping it looking decent.

[NoVAphotog]

Not sure I want to get another black car, though. Bit of a pain in the rear keeping it looking decent.

Yeah, I had three black cars before my ZHP...I'm absolutely done with them...however...if I was looking for a clean, decently low mileage, fair priced E46 M3 and only had a loan for $14,500 and was scouring the internet trying to find one...the color wouldn't really matter. Especially since, any of the "unique" colors are going to be more rare and way more money. But that's me. :P

[UdubBadger]

Still missing a pedal ;)


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[Avetiso]

Yeah, I had three black cars before my ZHP...I'm absolutely done with them...however...if I was looking for a clean, decently low mileage, fair priced E46 M3 and only had a loan for $14,500 and was scouring the internet trying to find one...the color wouldn't really matter. Especially since, any of the "unique" colors are going to be more rare and way more money. But that's me. :P
I don't really care for "rare" because I can mod the car to complement the color and make it look nice either way. It looks pretty clean and the price is nice. Might text the guy and ask to check it out this week

Still missing a pedal ;)


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Like this?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=95691&endYear=2006&modelCode1=M3&showcaseOwnerId=100023432&startYear=2004&makeCode1=BMW&searchRadius=300&maxPrice=18000&mmt=[BMW[M3[]][]]&listingId=376675138&Log=0

[Pip]

CB isn't just black. It is one of the best blacks in IMO because of the change of color with different angles and lighting.

[NorCal-Dimitri]

This is right where I am. The price is high and the seller doesn't exactly know what he's talking about, but it looks like a nice car (judging by one photo though).

http://chico.craigslist.org/cto/4545293916.html

[UdubBadger]

CB isn't just black. It is one of the best blacks in IMO because of the change of color with different angles and lighting.

This.

I hate black but would love CB/cinnamon


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[UdubBadger]

This is right where I am. The price is high and the seller doesn't exactly know what he's talking about, but it looks like a nice car (judging by one photo though).

http://chico.craigslist.org/cto/4545293916.html

Oh yeah overpriced for sure


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[Avetiso]

CB isn't just black. It is one of the best blacks in IMO because of the change of color with different angles and lighting.
I'd totally do Carbon Black. The black one in Sacramento looks like Jet Black, though. Nothing wrong with the color in itself, I just live in a very high dust area. You know so yourself. :(

This is right where I am. The price is high and the seller doesn't exactly know what he's talking about, but it looks like a nice car (judging by one photo though).

http://chico.craigslist.org/cto/4545293916.html
I've seen that one. Been FS for a while. I wonder if it's his pricing or something misrepresented about the car.

This.

I hate black but would love CB/cinnamon


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First M3 I looked that was exactly that. I missed it... but it was in St. Louis, so I doubt it'd work anyway.

Oh yeah overpriced for sure


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I agree.

[NorCal-Dimitri]

I've seen that one. Been FS for a while. I wonder if it's his pricing or something misrepresented about the car.



My guess is the price and that he claims it has every available packing other than ZCW, but it clearly isn't a ZCP. He also only has one photo, which is another deterrent.

Please give me a reason to go check this out though haha. I want to drive it!

[Avetiso]

My guess is the price and that he claims it has every available packing other than ZCW, but it clearly isn't a ZCP. He also only has one photo, which is another deterrent.

Please give me a reason to go check this out though haha. I want to drive it!
I'll shoot him an email asking if you can see it. Or if I can get some more pictures. I'd like a 2003.5+ and without more pics I can't tell what this is.

[NorCal-Dimitri]

I'll shoot him an email asking if you can see it. Or if I can get some more pictures. I'd like a 2003.5+ and without more pics I can't tell what this is.

What did they change in 2003.5?

[Avetiso]

What did they change in 2003.5?
LED tails, updated HVAC, moved location of DSC module, trunk handle is bigger... it's not much, but I still prefer it.

[Avetiso]

Here's a low mileage, SMG one in SoCal. Seems like a decent deal if I can get him down a bit on price, but it is a dealer...

HERE. (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=95691&endYear=2015&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE&modelCode1=M3&showcaseOwnerId=100023432&startYear=2003&makeCode1=BMW&searchRadius=300&maxPrice=18000&mmt=[BMW[M3[]][]]&listingId=373393430&Log=0)

[OtterEffect]

Here's a low mileage, SMG one in SoCal. Seems like a decent deal if I can get him down a bit on price, but it is a dealer...

HERE. (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=95691&endYear=2015&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE&modelCode1=M3&showcaseOwnerId=100023432&startYear=2003&makeCode1=BMW&searchRadius=300&maxPrice=18000&mmt=[BMW[M3[]][]]&listingId=373393430&Log=0)

Link isn't working for me :(

[Torxuvin]

LED tails, updated HVAC, moved location of DSC module, trunk handle is bigger... it's not much, but I still prefer it.

Interior trim. SMG II (I think). Trying to remember what else was updated. I think they used a different glue for the weatherstripping on the doors.

[UdubBadger]

Wasn't there also a common issue with the early ones that had to be fixed? Don't remember exactly but something motor related?


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[Torxuvin]

Rod bearings? Fixed under recall. Vanos bolts and tabs can effect any of them. Same with the subframe. The trunk handle was redesigned because they used to break. Not as simple as just replacing the handle to fix. Ask me how I know... -_-

Edit: Oh, also the Strut tower brace became standard about halfway through the 2002 MY. My 2002 didn't have one when I first got it.

[UdubBadger]

^ yes rod bearings


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[Avetiso]

That one in Sacramento sold (black/black SMG). Dmitri is checking out that Silver Gray one today, and I'm talking to the guy with the carbon black in SoCal, but I don't want to travel far. Plus, his rear bumper isn't sitting straight after an accident so I'm not sure I want to deal with buying a car and redoing work to make it correct.

[Avetiso]

Link isn't working for me :(
Idk why... works for me.

[fredo]

Link works. Wow ... 58,xxx miles for a 2003.

[Avetiso]

What do you think? Mileage is higher than I'd like, but Imola.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4600081695.html

[NorCal-Dimitri]

What do you think? Mileage is higher than I'd like, but Imola.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4600081695.html

This is the one! There's nothing I don't like about that car. ZCP on KW suspension :drool

[UdubBadger]

That looks like a much better investment IMO. For a few grand more you could have mine ;)

[Johal E32]

the imola on kw's is the best car by far

[Avetiso]

I like it. Definitely a nice car, but I'm not sure it's within budget. The color and the ZCP definitely drive up the price on the car. :(

Anyone close by?

[Johal E32]

WOW WTF

TWIN? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4600081695.html

I thought same car but one of them has M3 badges, other does not..

[az3579]

What do you think? Mileage is higher than I'd like, but Imola.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4600081695.html

DO IT!

[Avetiso]

Texted the guy.

[Torxuvin]

Fingers crossed for you. Clean looking car. Very nice.

[UdubBadger]

I'm rooting for No cuz I don't want an evil twin


J/k GL buddy

[Avetiso]

Thanks guys. Apparently he has the car cosigned through his buddies dealership, although he works in Sacramento. I work all week though and I can't go see it anytime soon

[UdubBadger]

You mean on consignment - meaning the dealership is selling it for him. Doesn't mean you can't buy it

[Avetiso]

You mean on consignment - meaning the dealership is selling it for him. Doesn't mean you can't buy it
Yes, consignment. Phone corrected that.

[Avetiso]

Guy's not flexible on the price. I love the car but 18.5k is too much for me (reminds me that I need to update the OP). I told him to call me if he ever decides to flex, so we'll see where that goes.

Looking elsewhere for now. Anyone want a vert? :biggrin With how little rain we get, I've considered it... but I'd rather have a coupe, of course.

[Oli77]

There is a nice M3 vert with rain damage which salvaged it, over where I live with low miles (and price).

[Avetiso]

There is a nice M3 vert with rain damage which salvaged it, over where I live with low miles (and price).
Gotta be clean title this time. I'm financing.

Thanks, though.

[Avetiso]

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/4597808672.html

[Oli77]

^ like your old car on steroids!

[E_Rak]

Way out of the price range, but just :drool

All it needs is a slicktop!

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1046839

[Avetiso]

Way out of the price range, but just :drool

All it needs is a slicktop!

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1046839
Beautiful. ;(

[az3579]

Way out of the price range, but just :drool

All it needs is a slicktop!

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1046839


I find it funny how all Interlagos Blue M3's seem to carry a 5-10k premium over any other M3.
And by that, I mean, 5-10k premium in asking price. Actual sale will probably be a lot less than that.