Wheel decisions

[SoDelBMW]

Alright guys I just got back from Michelin about my dry rotted tires and they said they are defective and would give me a 25% discount on my next set so I've been having real troubles find a wheel that I love for the next 5 years since that will be the next time I will be getting new tires. It's now or never, I'd love to get some of your guys opinions and preferences on wheels. I'd like to stay 18s and have them staggered.

Thanks, Mason:hi

[danewilson77]

So....they're giving you 25% off for a defective tire?


As long as we are not just 'rehashing the bashing', this could and should be a useful thread.

[SoDelBMW]

So....they're giving you 25% off for a defective tire?

Yes because the warranty was up on the front two some they said they would give me 25% overall for my next set.

[Avetiso]

Stay with 18", get a square set! Turn in is so much better. Square is much better.

As far as style... That's up to you really. What do you prefer?

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[Smilez]

Stay with 18s. I'm rocking bbs LM reps.

http://instagram.com/p/mnDo86pM_3/

[brettbimmer]

Stay with 18", get a square set! Turn in is so much better. Square is much better.

As far as style... That's up to you really. What do you prefer?

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+1 on the square setup. It will help to dial back understeer too. If I was going to different wheels, I would go square.

Sent from my pineapple under the sea.

[KevinC]

Since the ZHP is a low-volume model, with a wheel that's unique to it (at least in the USA - the 135 was used on the Z4 and perhaps others overseas), I would (and do) stick with the stock wheels. As the cars age, the closer to stock you are, the more valuable (and better looking IMHO) your car will be. And it's a great-looking, if heavy, wheel, so why not? Just lose the stock brake pads so that you don't have to deal with the PITA they are to clean, and you're good to go.

Don't even get me started about counterfeits (errrr "reps").

[SoDelBMW]

Stay with 18", get a square set! Turn in is so much better. Square is much better.

As far as style... That's up to you really. What do you prefer?

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Alright squared it is but I'm really trying to find a wheel that will compliment the chrome grills and window trim and look aggressive. I'm not a huge fan of the blacked out look. For reference I really like the VMR V718s but they are so commonly used on the M3 nowadays so a more unique look would be awesome.

[SoDelBMW]

Since the ZHP is a low-volume model, with a wheel that's unique to it (at least in the USA - the 135 was used on the Z4 and perhaps others overseas), I would (and do) stick with the stock wheels. As the cars age, the closer to stock you are, the more valuable (and better looking IMHO) your car will be. And it's a great-looking, if heavy, wheel, so why not? Just lose the stock brake pads so that you don't have to deal with the PITA they are to clean, and you're good to go.

Don't even get me started about counterfeits (errrr "reps").

I have style 68s right now. I'm a non ZHPer.

[SoDelBMW]

+1 on the square setup. It will help to dial back understeer too. If I was going to different wheels, I would go square.

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Brett you were right about them being made in 08 and 09 and I just missed the warranty all the tires! Soooo disappointed

[ELCID86]

I'm a fan of the 68s. I had them on my son's '02 330Ci.

[SoDelBMW]

I'm a fan of the 68s. I had them on my son's '02 330Ci.

I do like them but I don't love them enough to have them on there for the next 5 years. They would be a great secondary during the winter but I don't have that money.

[sillieidiot]

get some arc-8s?

[SoDelBMW]

get some arc-8s?

Those are sweet! Do they sell them in a hyper silver? If so it's between those, style 313s, and the style 264s.

[jakksfor20]

Those are sweet! Do they sell them in a hyper silver? If so it's between those, style 313s, and the style 264s.

Yes, and 3 other colors......
http://www.apexraceparts.com/apex-products/e46/17x8-5-ET40-APEX-ARC-8-Wheel.html#.U3gMJXZvB3s

[mbeckel]

May be a shocker to hear from me, but I like black

Sent from in the bushes

[SoDelBMW]

Yes, and 3 other colors......
http://www.apexraceparts.com/apex-products/e46/17x8-5-ET40-APEX-ARC-8-Wheel.html#.U3gMJXZvB3s

Yes! That hyper silver would look nice but it's down to those and the 313s.
http://www.allfactorywheels.com/products/2009%252d2012-BMW-335is-Rear-Wheel-%7B47%7D-Rim-18%22-71459.html?origin=product-ads&gclid=CMbwtM63tL4CFQEdOgodPGYAgA

If I refinished them the same way the arc-8 are how would they look?

[Avetiso]

I have the ARC-8 in anthracite in my sig, if you care to use a computer.

[Hermes]

CS 004-SK
18x8
5x120
ET42
24.1lbs

13998

[SoDelBMW]

I have the ARC-8 in anthracite in my sig, if you care to use a computer.

That fits your car perfectl! I think the sliver would suit mine better because of the chrome parts to compliment it. It would be a different story if I was going to black it out.

[SoDelBMW]

CS 004-SK
18x8
5x120
ET42
24.1lbs

13998

Best ones yet!! I like them a lot but would I need spacers to make it flush or does it depend on what tires I buy?

[derbo]

I have the ARC-8 in anthracite in my sig, if you care to use a computer.

ARC8 are nice and relatively cheap!

[Hermes]

Best ones yet!! I like them a lot but would I need spacers to make it flush or does it depend on what tires I buy?

It would be the equivalent of having built in 5mm spacers on your front wheels. Personally I don't like the hellaflush look, I am in the hellafunctional camp. The wheels will look fine in my opinion

[sillieidiot]

That fits your car perfectl! I think the sliver would suit mine better because of the chrome parts to compliment it. It would be a different story if I was going to black it out.

i think silver look great whether or not your trim is chrome or black. Here's my car with them in silver:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/sillieidiot/Serenity/Build%20Thread/96_zps828f7613.jpg

shit that was the best picture i could find. it's a lame picture lol I can't even take any new ones now because I have m3 fenders so you can't even compare it with your car. anyways, my wheels are more aggressive so don't expect the same concavity with higher offsets.

[johnrando]

when you posting pics w the M3 fenders??????

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[sillieidiot]

when you posting pics w the M3 fenders??????

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i just did in the projects forum lol

[SoDelBMW]

i think silver look great whether or not your trim is chrome or black. Here's my car with them in silver:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/sillieidiot/Serenity/Build%20Thread/96_zps828f7613.jpg

shit that was the best picture i could find. it's a lame picture lol I can't even take any new ones now because I have m3 fenders so you can't even compare it with your car. anyways, my wheels are more aggressive so don't expect the same concavity with higher offsets.

That looks amazing! The BBSs are definetly the winner, thanks everyone for introducing me to all different style besides OEM BMW. Now tire wise I'm squaring them so do you recommend a wide tire for flush or skinny tire with spacers for the flush look? Lol

[jakksfor20]

Squared and meaty. I've got ARC-8's and am going 245's all around. Maybe 255's


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[Avetiso]

Get as much rubber on there as you can possibly fit.

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[sillieidiot]

i like having the meaty tires. whenever i finish my m3 fender transformation, i wanna go 265s all around. i have 255s right now.

[Hermes]

If I had M3 flares I would be running 295s, I'm currently at 265

[derbo]

If I had M3 flares I would be running 295s, I'm currently at 265

SO MUCH MEAT. I do 275 squared.

[Hermes]

Derek, let's get some GTR widebody flares ;)

[cakM3]

If I had M3 flares I would be running 295s, I'm currently at 265

I have M3 flares and I'm perfectly happy running with 275's ;)

[sillieidiot]

lol i'd do 275s max. 295s is too much lol

[Hermes]

lol i'd do 275s max. 295s is too much lol

No such thing as too much rubber ;)

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/BMW_M3_GTR__4858_20070708.gif

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2006lagunasecateamptg.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/bmwm3gtr.jpg

[sillieidiot]

lol with some gtr flares maybe

[Hermes]

There were some used Sport Cups on CL a little while ago for a whopping $99 for the set... but they were for 18x11 and 18x13 wheels. I need flares :(

[Avetiso]

No such thing as too much rubber ;)

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/BMW_M3_GTR__4858_20070708.gif

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2006lagunasecateamptg.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/bmwm3gtr.jpg
That tempts me so much to Laminx my headlights yellow. :drool

[SoDelBMW]

No such thing as too much rubber ;)

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/BMW_M3_GTR__4858_20070708.gif

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/2006lagunasecateamptg.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/bmwm3gtr.jpg

So where is the point where the tire will start to rub? I'm thinking 265/?

[Crickett]

So where is the point where the tire will start to rub? I'm thinking 265/?

Most stock (not rolled or flared) non-M folks have no trouble whatsoever with 255s; seems about a 50/50 shot of 265s not rubbing without modification. (Personally, I went slightly conservative with 245/40ZR8s.)

[sillieidiot]

i think it depends on the wheels. the offsets. with stock offsets, 255s are fine.

[Crickett]

i think it depends on the wheels. the offsets. with stock offsets, 255s are fine.

Good point, I didn’t make my assumption of stock offsets explicit. Also worth mentioning is just how variable the real width of a “255”- or “265”-mm tire is: certain manufacturers and models can run wider than their spec’d size. I think that’s why 255 is usually safe and 265 can be a toss-up.

[SoDelBMW]

Good point, I didn’t make my assumption of stock offsets explicit. Also worth mentioning is just how variable the real width of a “255”- or “265”-mm tire is: certain manufacturers and models can run wider than their spec’d size. I think that’s why 255 is usually safe and 265 can be a toss-up.

Right now with the staggered tires I have 245s in the back and they still an inch or 2 from the fender so should I just go with the 265s? I do I type all of this info into willtheyfit.com so I can get a visual of what will happen?

[Crickett]

Right now with the staggered tires I have 245s in the back and they still an inch or 2 from the fender so should I just go with the 265s? I do I type all of this info into willtheyfit.com so I can get a visual of what will happen?

Yeah, I’d play around with willtheyfit.com to see where different specs/offsets/widths will take you.

[SoDelBMW]

Well after looking things over I will be ordering the BBSs but I'm still unsure about the tire setup. I'm looking at the PS3s but the measurements are a question. I'd like to know everyone's tire setup and measurements for an idea of how I'm going to get that flush look. I'm probably going to need spacers or does that depend on the tire I get?

[WOLFN8TR]

I need some info/advice on choosing some new rims.

I recently installed some KW V1's and my two front rims are rubbing on the coilovers. I have a squared 18x8.5 setup and the wider front rims are the issue. I basically had to raise my front end an inch from stock to keep the rims from rubbing on the coilovers. So I'm looking into getting some 18x8.0's squared or 18x8.0 up front and 18x9.0 in the rear. I don't want to deal with having to buy different spacer setups to get the stance right. I already have one set of 10mm spacers on the rear which I had to move to the front to help clear the coilovers.

- What is the offset of the stock 135's? +50?
- Any recommendations on where to buy?
- Any Memorial Day Sales going on?

I'm looking at 18" CSL Reps in Hyper Black like these I found on eBay.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/26/y8eja6yt.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/26/vasydamy.jpg

[sillieidiot]

i think it's cheaper to buy the spacer than new wheels and having to go through the whole process again. i think you only need like a 5mm to clear it. i'm running 18x9.5s and i only had to add a 5mm spacer. i mean if the 10mm you have works now, why can't you just buy another pair of 10mms again and put them on the rears?

[sillieidiot]

Well after looking things over I will be ordering the BBSs but I'm still unsure about the tire setup. I'm looking at the PS3s but the measurements are a question. I'd like to know everyone's tire setup and measurements for an idea of how I'm going to get that flush look. I'm probably going to need spacers or does that depend on the tire I get?

it would depend on the tires you get. but what are the specs of the BBSs? if it's not the same as your stock wheels, then you can't use them as a reference really.

[SoDelBMW]

it would depend on the tires you get. but what are the specs of the BBSs? if it's not the same as your stock wheels, then you can't use them as a reference really.

CS 004-SK
18x8
5x120
ET42
24.1lbs

Here are the specs of the wheels and I am going from my stock 17" to 18" so my tires won't be a reference to me at all. I'm just trying to get an idea of what this is going to in tail and I'm most likely to get the Michelin PS3s.

[sillieidiot]

CS 004-SK
18x8
5x120
ET42
24.1lbs

Here are the specs of the wheels and I am going from my stock 17" to 18" so my tires won't be a reference to me at all. I'm just trying to get an idea of what this is going to in tail and I'm most likely to get the Michelin PS3s.

damn they sound heavy lol you're definitely going to feel that.

normally for 8" wide wheels it's recommended to go 235s. i don't think you can fit a 265 on that rim at all. 245s probably. Then probably like a spacer to get it flushed. you might rub with spacers if you're lowered though.

[Crickett]

damn they sound heavy lol you're definitely going to feel that.

normally for 8" wide wheels it's recommended to go 235s. i don't think you can fit a 265 on that rim at all. 245s probably. Then probably like a spacer to get it flushed. you might rub with spacers if you're lowered though.

24.1 lbs is almost exactly the same weight as the stock 8" M135s (vs 24.7). I have 245s on my 8" M135s, though the tire shop said it was a little difficult getting them mounted. With my 10 mm spacers up front and 15 mm out back, my effective offsets are ET37 front and ET32 rear. No rubbing.

[WOLFN8TR]

I think it's cheaper to buy the spacer than new wheels and having to go through the whole process again. i think you only need like a 5mm to clear it. i'm running 18x9.5s and i only had to add a 5mm spacer. i mean if the 10mm you have works now, why can't you just buy another pair of 10mms again and put them on the rears?

Definitely but I don't want to leave the coilovers adjusted so high just to to keep the rims from rubbing, (that's with 10mm spacers up front). I want to be able to lower the car just a bit from stock height. I was looking at getting some new rims eventually anyway.

Does anyone know the Offset of the stock 18x8.5"135 ZHP rims? Is it +50?

[sillieidiot]

24.1 lbs is almost exactly the same weight as the stock 8" M135s (vs 24.7). I have 245s on my 8" M135s, though the tire shop said it was a little difficult getting them mounted. With my 10 mm spacers up front and 15 mm out back, my effective offsets are ET37 front and ET32 rear. No rubbing.

Yeah, and they are one of the heaviest e46 wheels. He's going from m68s which is one of the lightest wheels for the e46. He'll feel the difference for sure.


Definitely but I don't want to leave the coilovers adjusted so high just to to keep the rims from rubbing, (that's with 10mm spacers up front). I want to be able to lower the car just a bit from stock height. I was looking at getting some new rims eventually anyway.

Does anyone know the Offset of the stock 18x8.5"135 ZHP rims? Is it +50?

What about if you went with a smaller spacer? I think a 5mm spacer should be good enough. That's what most people do when they run ARC-8s pretty much. I think I have a pair of 5mms laying around you can borrow to test out. Though I don't have the lugs cause I have studs.

yeah i think the 8.5" is et50. 8" is like et47.

Maybe you should get some ARC-8s. I remember you telling me that you liked them on my car lol Just don't do what I did and do 18x9.5 et35. Too much work to fit them lol

Or some VB3s, I think they make the best looking CSL reps. I may be able to get you a discount on them. Sadly no discount on the Apex, my friend that works there doesn't even get a discount on them which sucks.

[SoDelBMW]

damn they sound heavy lol you're definitely going to feel that.

normally for 8" wide wheels it's recommended to go 235s. i don't think you can fit a 265 on that rim at all. 245s probably. Then probably like a spacer to get it flushed. you might rub with spacers if you're lowered though.

Right now I have 245/40s on my rears for the M68s so could I just square that when I order the BBSs or should the second dimension be different? I'm not lowered now so I don't think rubbing will be a problem until that day could when I do what to lower it but what mm spacers are you thinking like 10-15?

[WOLFN8TR]

What about if you went with a smaller spacer? I think a 5mm spacer should be good enough. That's what most people do when they run ARC-8s pretty much. I think I have a pair of 5mms laying around you can borrow to test out. Though I don't have the lugs cause I have studs.

yeah i think the 8.5" is et50. 8" is like et47.

Maybe you should get some ARC-8s. I remember you telling me that you liked them on my car lol Just don't do what I did and do 18x9.5 et35. Too much work to fit them lol

Or some VB3s, I think they make the best looking CSL reps. I may be able to get you a discount on them. Sadly no discount on the Apex, my friend that works there doesn't even get a discount on them which sucks.

That sucks he works for Apex and gets NO discount. Ya I really like the VB3 CSL Reps! Would like to get them in Hyper Black. Thinking about 18x8.0's with an ET of +35. Then I could use my 10mm spacers in the rear to get the stance right if needed. The tires I currently have are: Front-235/40/18, Rear: 245/40/18. (Fronts are New, the rears are shot)

I don't think the 5mm spacers would work. With the 10mm spacers up front and the coilovers adjusted 1" higher than stock I have approx a 5mm gap between the coilover and the rim.

Let me know about the VB3 CSL Reps. :thumbup

Here are a few I was looking at on eBay. Thoughts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310708557573?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310952086908?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Here is a photo of just how close the rim is to the coilovers.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/27/a4ezu3yt.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/27/bysapy6a.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/27/bu5edube.jpg

[sillieidiot]

Right now I have 245/40s on my rears for the M68s so could I just square that when I order the BBSs or should the second dimension be different? I'm not lowered now so I don't think rubbing will be a problem until that day could when I do what to lower it but what mm spacers are you thinking like 10-15?

That sounds fine. The sidewall is going to be pretty fat and it might night even fit the rim, just depends on the tires used. I have no way of knowing if it will fit or not, but your tire guy/shop will know when he tries to put it on lol Otherwise, I'd go with a 235 to be safe.


That sucks he works for Apex and gets NO discount. Ya I really like the VB3 CSL Reps! Would like to get them in Hyper Black. Thinking about 18x8.0's with an ET of +35. Then I could use my 10mm spacers in the rear to get the stance right if needed. The tires I currently have are: Front-235/40/18, Rear: 245/40/18. (Fronts are New, the rears are shot)

I don't think the 5mm spacers would work. With the 10mm spacers up front and the coilovers adjusted 1" higher than stock I have approx a 5mm gap between the coilover and the rim.

Let me know about the VB3 CSL Reps. :thumbup

Here are a few I was looking at on eBay. Thoughts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310708557573?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310952086908?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Well he does get some, but it's like nothing to me. He says joining a GB will get you more of a discount lol Oh well, I already have Apex, I'm good lol

Hmm, I think it should work. Since people who run ARC-8s and KWs use that size to clear. At least that's what has been reported so far.

So just to confirm, you want an 18x8 et35 square in hyperblack? I'll try to get you a quote tomorrow since they aren't open today.

Iono about the first link. I think it looks ugly lol The second link, what tripped me out is in the "item specifics" above the picture it says 19x8.5" et40, but the picture says 18x8" et35 lol

[WOLFN8TR]

Well he does get some, but it's like nothing to me. He says joining a GB will get you more of a discount lol Oh well, I already have Apex, I'm good lol

So just to confirm, you want an 18x8 et35 square in hyperblack? I'll try to get you a quote tomorrow since they aren't open today.

Iono about the first link. I think it looks ugly lol The second link, what tripped me out is in the "item specifics" above the picture it says 19x8.5" et40, but the picture says 18x8" et35 lol

Ya that's what I'm leaning towards, 18x8's et35 square in HyperBlack.

I noticed the size difference also, strange.

Thanks Hieu

[Pip]

I would look at silver as well. Hyperblack might be a little much for sgm.

[SoDelBMW]

That sounds fine. The sidewall is going to be pretty fat and it might night even fit the rim, just depends on the tires used. I have no way of knowing if it will fit or not, but your tire guy/shop will know when he tries to put it on lol Otherwise, I'd go with a 235 to be safe.



Well he does get some, but it's like nothing to me. He says joining a GB will get you more of a discount lol Oh well, I already have Apex, I'm good lol

Hmm, I think it should work. Since people who run ARC-8s and KWs use that size to clear. At least that's what has been reported so far.

So just to confirm, you want an 18x8 et35 square in hyperblack? I'll try to get you a quote tomorrow since they aren't open today.

Iono about the first link. I think it looks ugly lol The second link, what tripped me out is in the "item specifics" above the picture it says 19x8.5" et40, but the picture says 18x8" et35 lol

What would I have to do wheel wise so I don't have to get spacers?

[sillieidiot]

What would I have to do wheel wise so I don't have to get spacers?

I don't think you can not run spacers. You can't get a wheel that will be exact enough. Honestly I'd rather get wheel that have the proper tire specs on, then use spacers to make it flush then getting super aggressive wheels where you have to stretch to fit.

But the best way is probably to borrow like a wheel with specs similar to what you want and use washers (in lieu of spacers) to see what offset/spacers you want. Don't drive on them though.

[sillieidiot]

Ya that's what I'm leaning towards, 18x8's et35 square in HyperBlack.

I noticed the size difference also, strange.

Thanks Hieu

pming you

[SoDelBMW]

Well after thinking and doing more research I have decided to go with more of an aggressive fitment. The new wheels I will be ordering are the VMR V710s 18 x 9.5, 5 x 120, et22, 72.6. I'm still unsure about what size tire is right so when I drop it next year I won't have to do anything but maybe roll the fenders, I was thinking 265/40/18???

[danewilson77]

Damn bro.....et22.

[Pip]

Typo? ET22 with 265 = fender pull I think.

[SoDelBMW]

Typo? ET22 with 265 = fender pull I think.

Haha what do you mean?

[SoDelBMW]

Damn I see what your saying if I'm going to square the tires then should I stay with et22 on the back and go up to et33 on the front so it's not sticking out so much and flush? The tires would be more like 245 squared..... I am stumped:confused

[Pip]

I just meant it was aggressive. 9.5 ET22 is what I run with 275s on the M3. It's wide and not sure it would fit without fender work on the 330.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/29/myvymypy.jpg

[SoDelBMW]

I just meant it was aggressive. 9.5 ET22 is what I run with 275s on the M3. It's wide and not sure it would fit without fender work on the 330.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/29/myvymypy.jpg

Well there's a good inch or more between my tire and the fender so if all I'm doing is going out wouldn't that be fine?

[Johal E32]

gonna need major fender work to run et 22 or super skinny tires like 215 maybe 225.

I would stick to an et close to 40 or higher. With my et35 18x8's I rub, fenders rolled, bumper tab/screw's relocated. Now I very rarely rub..

Edit, I'm at around -2.3 degrees camber in rear. Just a tad more than stock..

[Pip]

I would check with willtheyfit.com to see how big a spacer it would equal compared to the wheels you have now and measure with a plumb bob and tape. I'm 100% sure you'll rub even when just spacing without a drop.

Not sure if you know but the m3 has wider fender flares compared to the 330 which is why it looks like I still have some room.

[sillieidiot]

i guess if you're at stock height, with no blown shocks, it might work. It'll probably stock out some too. But once you try to lower it, it's not going to happen. I had trouble with my 18x9.5" et35s already. I'm running 255s (basically 265s on other brands) on Michelin PSS too. Iono how you're going to do that without major fender work and crazy negative camber (you'll need camber arms). The fronts will be even more of a problem. I need camber plates and like -3.5 camber just so it wouldn't hit the fender too much lol

But if you're set on it for some reason, probably should run a smaller tire at least.

I have a friend that went et18. His fenders are now all messed up cause he tried too hard to pull them to get them to clear lol. Looks like one of those super ugly stanced cars with the stretched tires and camber lol

[SoDelBMW]

So I'm basically stupid for even mentioning this idea without doing major work to mess up my car, gotcha but the V710s also have a et33 option would that sound more realistic with 255

[Pip]

So I'm basically stupid for even mentioning this idea without doing major work to mess up my car, gotcha but the V710s also have a et33 option would that sound more realistic with 255

Not stupid. Smart for asking. Yea that's better and I'll try and take some screen shots to explain the difference and how it'll fit later. I don't get zhpmafia at work so I'll see if I can swing it on my phone.

[SoDelBMW]

Not stupid. Smart for asking. Yea that's better and I'll try and take some screen shots to explain the difference and how it'll fit later. I don't get zhpmafia at work so I'll see if I can swing it on my phone.

Haha alright thanks! What is the difference in width between the m3 fenders and the regular 330 fenders?

[Johal E32]

Haha alright thanks! What is the difference in width between the m3 fenders and the regular 330 fenders?

Not stupid at all, better to ask and be informed!

M3 fenders are flared and can take really wide tires.

I would run 245's incase you lower the car. et 35 on 255's lowered .5 inches my car rubbed over bumps.

[SoDelBMW]

Not stupid at all, better to ask and be informed!

M3 fenders are flared and can take really wide tires.

I would run 245's incase you lower the car. et 35 on 255's lowered .5 inches my car rubbed over bumps.

So it's safe to say I can definitely go 245s with et33 all around and I won't have to do anything and it will be flush?

[Hornung418]

If you are running an 8.5" wheel with an offset that high, put 235s on them. No rubbing. I could roll the fenders and space my et35 wheels another 5mm and still not rub.

Sent from my GS3.

[SoDelBMW]

If you are running an 8.5" wheel with an offset that high, put 235s on them. No rubbing. I could roll the fenders and space my et35 wheels another 5mm and still not rub.

Sent from my GS3.

I'm running 18 x 9.5"

[Pip]

Alright I've done some prelim work for you. I believe the fenders on the M3 are roughly 31-32mm bigger assuming bmw used the same requirement of wheel to fender spacing when designing the 330 and M3. One note is the tire specs for the M3 have larger (beefier tires) than the non-m.

20mm spacers on stock wheels have been run by Eli, Seth, and others for an aggressive offset. With a lowered car and fenders rolled it should work but would most likely need to cut the tab inside wheel well.

That being said a 9.5ET22 is equivalent to 42mm spacer on a ZHP rear wheel - crazy.

9.5ET33 = 31mm spacer on zhp rear wheel...still crazy.

9.5ET45 = 19mm spacer. IMO this would be aggressive enough and allow you to run beefy tires with a roll and cleaning up the bolt/tab inside the wheel well. This is still work and might rub, but with camber probably ok.

ZHP rear vs M3 rear:
14188

9.5ET22 compared to ZHP:
14189

9.5ET33 compared to ZHP:
14190

9.5ET45 compared to ZHP:
14191

[Pip]

Just FYI wheel width makes a big difference in offset so when these guys are saying ET something on 8.5 it won't work to have the same ET on a 9.5" rim.

[SoDelBMW]

Alright I've done some prelim work for you. I believe the fenders on the M3 are roughly 31-32mm bigger assuming bmw used the same requirement of wheel to fender spacing when designing the 330 and M3. One note is the tire specs for the M3 have larger (beefier tires) than the non-m.

20mm spacers on stock wheels have been run by Eli, Seth, and others for an aggressive offset. With a lowered car and fenders rolled it should work but would most likely need to cut the tab inside wheel well.

That being said a 9.5ET22 is equivalent to 42mm spacer on a ZHP rear wheel - crazy.

9.5ET33 = 31mm spacer on zhp rear wheel...still crazy.

9.5ET45 = 19mm spacer. IMO this would be aggressive enough and allow you to run beefy tires with a roll and cleaning up the bolt/tab inside the wheel well. This is still work and might rub, but with camber probably ok.

ZHP rear vs M3 rear:
14188

9.5ET22 compared to ZHP:
14189

9.5ET33 compared to ZHP:
14190

9.5ET45 compared to ZHP:
14191

Wow you just saved me a good hour figuring this out and calculating it. Now that I visually look at it, it was crazy to even mention an offset of 22. So the best opinion for me is to stick with 18 x 9.5 with et45? And tire wise I'd assume 255s are the way to go. Thanks your the best Sean!

[Pip]

Well if you're set on 9.5 then yes. You could go to a smaller rim like a 8.5 or 9 and get a beefier tire look around the wheel...similar to a stock setup with 255 on a 8.5" rim. Your offset would change but you could easily get the correct offset to match a 19-20mm spacer.

[sillieidiot]

like i said, it's better to go with the higher offset and then space it out using spacer. that way you can have the proper tire and everything fits first. then figure out how flush you want to go depending on how much work you want to do later. easier that way. starting out with an aggressive setup right off the bat is way harder to deal with.

[SoDelBMW]

Well if you're set on 9.5 then yes. You could go to a smaller rim like a 8.5 or 9 and get a beefier tire look around the wheel...similar to a stock setup with 255 on a 8.5" rim. Your offset would change but you could easily get the correct offset to match a 19-20mm spacer.

Well VMR also offers the 18 x 8.5 wheel so when I do drop will the 8.5 look better or the 9.5?

[SoDelBMW]

like i said, it's better to go with the higher offset and then space it out using spacer. that way you can have the proper tire and everything fits first. then figure out how flush you want to go depending on how much work you want to do later. easier that way. starting out with an aggressive setup right off the bat is way harder to deal with.

I totally agree with you but at this point I'd rather have just wheels and tires that are on point with how aggressive I want to be then have that extra variable that factors into the offset of the wheel when I drop it sometime next year.

[WOLFN8TR]

Can anyone confirm this info on syle 135's is correct.

18x8.0- ET 47
18x8.5- ET 50

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/30/3y5e5y8e.jpg

[SoDelBMW]

Can anyone confirm this info on syle 135's is correct.

18x8.0- ET 47
18x8.5- ET 50

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/30/3y5e5y8e.jpg

You are correct and also Sean I looked up that if I do drop to an 8.5 instead of 9.5 then I would have to change my offset to 20 because there are 25 millimeters in an inch so I would go from et45 with 9.5 to et20 with 8.5 which VMR does offer. I'm still questioning which size would look better after the drop, right now after doing some research I am leaning towards the 8.5 just so I have more wiggle room and options down the road.

[sillieidiot]

Well VMR also offers the 18 x 8.5 wheel so when I do drop will the 8.5 look better or the 9.5?


I totally agree with you but at this point I'd rather have just wheels and tires that are on point with how aggressive I want to be then have that extra variable that factors into the offset of the wheel when I drop it sometime next year.

the 9.5 will look better since it will be more concaved. the 8.5 would look flatter in comparison.

i think you should go into e46fanatics 18" wheel thread (or aggressive square thread). they at least have specs and what they did to get them to fit. it would be better research i think to get to your goal. i think it's way harder to do what you're trying to do and get it right on the first try. you're either going to have to do fender work, or use spacers still. but keep in mind that not all cars are the same still. some might have more clearance than others stock from my experience.

[Hornung418]

Alright I've done some prelim work for you. I believe the fenders on the M3 are roughly 31-32mm bigger assuming bmw used the same requirement of wheel to fender spacing when designing the 330 and M3. One note is the tire specs for the M3 have larger (beefier tires) than the non-m.

20mm spacers on stock wheels have been run by Eli, Seth, and others for an aggressive offset. With a lowered car and fenders rolled it should work but would most likely need to cut the tab inside wheel well.

That being said a 9.5ET22 is equivalent to 42mm spacer on a ZHP rear wheel - crazy.

9.5ET33 = 31mm spacer on zhp rear wheel...still crazy.

9.5ET45 = 19mm spacer. IMO this would be aggressive enough and allow you to run beefy tires with a roll and cleaning up the bolt/tab inside the wheel well. This is still work and might rub, but with camber probably ok.

ZHP rear vs M3 rear:
14188

9.5ET22 compared to ZHP:
14189

9.5ET33 compared to ZHP:
14190

9.5ET45 compared to ZHP:
14191

I'm not sure what offsets you are using to determine these statistics...but stock wheels have an offset of 47 up front and 50 out back.

A 20 mm spacer on the rear would make its effective offset +30.

Sent from my GS3.

[WOLFN8TR]

Thanks for verifying the 135 offsets. :thumbsup

[SoDelBMW]

the 9.5 will look better since it will be more concaved. the 8.5 would look flatter in comparison.

i think you should go into e46fanatics 18" wheel thread (or aggressive square thread). they at least have specs and what they did to get them to fit. it would be better research i think to get to your goal. i think it's way harder to do what you're trying to do and get it right on the first try. you're either going to have to do fender work, or use spacers still. but keep in mind that not all cars are the same still. some might have more clearance than others stock from my experience.

I'm about to do that but should I square the wheels too or go 8.5 front and 9.5 back?

[sillieidiot]

I'm about to do that but should I square the wheels too or go 8.5 front and 9.5 back?

just depends on what you want. i like to have it square. reduces understeer, i can save money and buy 4 of the same tires. and i have the ability to rotate them to make them last longer. but staggered looks good too.

[Pip]

I'm not sure what offsets you are using to determine these statistics...but stock wheels have an offset of 47 up front and 50 out back.

A 20 mm spacer on the rear would make its effective offset +30.

Sent from my GS3.

I used 51 offset for rear zhp wheel so I was off by 1mm. All my comparisons were for rear wheel and I tried to note that. I didn't spend time on the front wheel. Just wanted to provide an insight in how to check wheel fitment.

Thanks for the catch.

[SoDelBMW]

just depends on what you want. i like to have it square. reduces understeer, i can save money and buy 4 of the same tires. and i have the ability to rotate them to make them last longer. but staggered looks good too.

Well I think I'm going to go with the 9.5s and 245s but I'm kind of worried this will fit on the front. What do you have on the front?

[Hornung418]

I used 51 offset for rear zhp wheel so I was off by 1mm. All my comparisons were for rear wheel and I tried to note that. I didn't spend time on the front wheel. Just wanted to provide an insight in how to check wheel fitment.

Thanks for the catch.

No you are fine with your offset and lack of front wheels, I caught that. It was your spacer math that through me off. Because 33 and 30 are not equal to 51...

All I know is, 35 is an offset that is very easy to start with.

Sent from my GS3.

[SoDelBMW]

Well I have been playing with the size calculator and came out what the fronts and rears would look like.

Here are the fronts, do you think it will rub on the inside?
http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/index.html?&1tw=225&1ar=45&1dia=17&1ww=7.5&1off=41&2tw=245&2ar=40&2dia=18&2ww=9.5&2off=33

Here are the rears I think this is perfect for what I want.
http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/index.html?&1tw=245&1ar=40&1dia=17&1ww=8.5&1off=50&2tw=245&2ar=40&2dia=18&2ww=9.5&2off=33

Overall how does it look? Everything is square and will be flush with the fender.

[Pip]

No you are fine with your offset and lack of front wheels, I caught that. It was your spacer math that through me off. Because 33 and 30 are not equal to 51...

All I know is, 35 is an offset that is very easy to start with.

Sent from my GS3.

I'm using the "poke" delta to understand the spacer for stock wheel. The number in my charts under "poke" = 57 (should be 56 because my ET error) and the poke for the 9.5" rim minus the poke of 57 = spacer size to achieve the same offset of the larger wheel.

For 8.5" rims. I ran ET 35 no problems on a lowered car with a roll and 235s (used a 15mm spacer on M135s) Looked great too.

For 9.5 ET50 would be the same as the ET35 on 8.5" rim. Don't mean to rehash what most already know but just wanted to clarify since most of the topic was around 9.5" rims.

Ok I've had enough wheel talk for the day :). I'm going to browse the other areas of the forum lol

[Hornung418]

I'm using the "poke" delta to understand the spacer for stock wheel. The number in my charts under "poke" = 57 (should be 56 because my ET error) and the poke for the 9.5" rim minus the poke of 57 = spacer size to achieve the same offset of the larger wheel.

For 9.5 ET50 would be the same as the ET35 on 8.5" rim. Don't mean to rehash what most already know but just wanted to clarify since most of the topic was around 9.5" wheels.

Okay. I wasn't sure where the big spacer calc was coming from. You are calculating the wheel width change into the spacer calculation. Copy.

Sent from my GS3.

[Pip]

Well I have been playing with the size calculator and came out what the fronts and rears would look like.

Here are the fronts, do you think it will rub on the inside?
http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/index.html?&1tw=225&1ar=45&1dia=17&1ww=7.5&1off=41&2tw=245&2ar=40&2dia=18&2ww=9.5&2off=33

Here are the rears I think this is perfect for what I want.
http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/index.html?&1tw=245&1ar=40&1dia=17&1ww=8.5&1off=50&2tw=245&2ar=40&2dia=18&2ww=9.5&2off=33

Overall how does it look? Everything is square and will be flush with the fender.

Ok. I still think 9.5" ET33 is too aggressive. I'll leave it up to you to measure how much room you think you have in the wheel well, but I don't think you're going to find 30mm worth of room on a stock car with 8.5 ET50 wheel (I'm assuming you have ZHP wheels).

Go measure from the furthest portion sticking out (wheel or tire) to the inner edge of the wheel well near the top and you'll see how much room you have. You should be able to measure anywhere from 15-20mm on ZHP wheels or any 8.5" ET50 wheel.


This picture is only an example. What I'm showing is how to do a quick check. You can hang sting since you're not lowered and measure to the string hanging down. I don't have room unless I want to space it more and rub.

14194

[SoDelBMW]

Ok. I still think 9.5" ET33 is too aggressive. I'll leave it up to you to measure how much room you think you have in the wheel well, but I don't think you're going to find 30mm worth of room on a stock car with 8.5 ET50 wheel (I'm assuming you have ZHP wheels).

Go measure from the furthest portion sticking out (wheel or tire) to the inner edge of the wheel well near the top and you'll see how much room you have. You should be able to measure anywhere from 15-20mm on ZHP wheels or any 8.5" ET50 wheel.


This picture is only an example. What I'm showing is how to do a quick check. You can hang sting since you're not lowered and measure to the string hanging down. I don't have room unless I want to space it more and rub.

14194

Well I have style 68s and what I have on the car are the specs I typed into the calculator, 7.5 and et41 front, 8.5 and et50 rear. I measured and I have about an inch(25mm) of space before the tire passes the fender.

This is the front with et45 instead
http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/index.html?&1tw=225&1ar=45&1dia=17&1ww=7.5&1off=41&2tw=245&2ar=40&2dia=18&2ww=9.5&2off=45
This is the rear with et45
http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/index.html?&1tw=245&1ar=40&1dia=17&1ww=8.5&1off=50&2tw=245&2ar=40&2dia=18&2ww=9.5&2off=45

[Hornung418]

You want 245/35/18 for the new wheels. That's the same tire diameter as your current wheels.

Sent from my GS3.

[SoDelBMW]

You want 245/35/18 for the new wheels. That's the same tire diameter as your current wheels.

Sent from my GS3.

That's what I was planning on but all I'm worried about now rubbing on the fronts on the inside. If it doesn't rub the strut or spring then I think I will be fine.

[Hornung418]

If you are worried about rubbing tire then you need to change the first digit. The second digit gives the sidewall height. You want it to be as close to 24.8 inches as you can get it.

Sent from my GS3.

[sillieidiot]

Well I think I'm going to go with the 9.5s and 245s but I'm kind of worried this will fit on the front. What do you have on the front?

i have a square setup, so 9.5" 255s in the front too. it didn't fit without like a -3 deg of camber when lowered (and no sharp U-turns lol). I also hammered my fender lip flat. if i raised the car up to stock height it was fine. I had to run a 5mm spacer to clear my coils. I don't know if it will clear your springs though. The diameter of the stock springs is way wider than my coils.

[SoDelBMW]

i have a square setup, so 9.5" 255s in the front too. it didn't fit without like a -3 deg of camber when lowered (and no sharp U-turns lol). I also hammered my fender lip flat. if i raised the car up to stock height it was fine. I had to run a 5mm spacer to clear my coils. I don't know if it will clear your springs though. The diameter of the stock springs is way wider than my coils.

Interesting once I find how much room is in between the suspension and wheel now I will probably end up sticking with the 245s and add 5 or 10mm spacers to the front.

[mbeckel]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/30/4avuze2u.jpg

My rear wheel rocking a 265 rear tire. Fitment is good as well

Sent from in the bushes

[SoDelBMW]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/30/4avuze2u.jpg

My rear wheel rocking a 265 rear tire. Fitment is good as well

Sent from in the bushes

What about your fronts? You have stock suspension right?

[mbeckel]

What about your fronts? You have stock suspension right?

Still stock for now. Gonna get a bilstein coilover setup when I swap. My fronts are 235s

Sent from in the bushes

[SoDelBMW]

Gotcha whats your wheel offset and width? I'm trying to go 9.5 at et45 but not sure if it will rub.

[mbeckel]

Gotcha whats your wheel offset and width? I'm trying to go 9.5 at et45 but not sure if it will rub.

Not quite sure, I'll have to measure them. These wheels were on the car when I purchased it

Sent from in the bushes

[SoDelBMW]

Not quite sure, I'll have to measure them. These wheels were on the car when I purchased it

Sent from in the bushes

Ohh alright thanks

[SoDelBMW]

I have finally come up with a final set up that will be ordered within the week. I'm going Michelin PS3 245/40/18 squared and VMR V710 18x9.5 et45 with 7.5mm spacers in the front and 10mm in the back. What does everyone think? I have come a long way thanks to you guys! Thanks! :cheers
Here are the specs on the tire calculator:
http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/index.html?&1tw=225&1ar=45&1dia=17&1ww=7.5&1off=41&2tw=245&2ar=40&2dia=18&2ww=9.5&2off=45&2ws=5
http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/index.html?&1tw=245&1ar=40&1dia=17&1ww=8.5&1off=50&2tw=245&2ar=40&2dia=18&2ww=9.5&2off=45&2ws=5

[Hornung418]

You need 245/35/18. The aspect ratio is too big with 40s.

Sent from my GS3.

[SoDelBMW]

You need 245/35/18. The aspect ratio is too big with 40s.

Sent from my GS3.

Alright I didn't realize that till now thanks.

[sillieidiot]

sounds pretty good i guess. make sure you get the hub extenders for the fronts.

[orange260z]

Mason, I've followed this thread from the beginning (over the last couple of weeks) and just wanted to do a little sanity check. I know for myself sometimes I start down a road and at some point if I pause I find I've deviated too far from my original goals.

You wanted to get new 18" wheels to replace your 68Ms. Based on the advice you were given and your desire for an "aggressive" look, you decided to go with a square setup. You are prepared to use spacers to get the right "stance". I'm with you so far.

Where I'm a little lost is how you ended up deciding on a 9.5" wheel all around. That's a very wide and massive wheel! I can see that causing all kinds of tramlining issues, potentially also premature front wheel bearing wear problems, and potentially a whole host of others. You're likely adding a lot of unsprung weight and rotational mass which may negatively impact your overall handling, braking, and acceleration.

I installed a set of 17" 68Ms this spring (during pot-hole season) and found the car to be a lot lighter and lively-feeling. What I gave up in tire width and sidewall stiffness I gained back in an "energetic" feel due to the much lighter front wheel/tire combo. I did lose a tiny bit of steering response, and the car may have a little less ultimate grip - but that tends not to be very important on the road. I've also recently gone from 205/55R15 to 205/45R17 on fairly lightweight wheels on the 911, and have regretted by decision - I much preferred the overall feel of the car on the 15s. In that case, however, a big external factor was the dwindling number of performance tire choices in 15".

Car & Driver did an article a few years back talking about this, and found that 17-18" was the "optimal" wheel diameter balancing out all factors.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/effects-of-upsized-wheels-and-tires-tested

I would also suggest that there is a width that hits a "sweet spot", and likely that is no more than 8.5" at the front; so if you want square, then 8.5" at the back also.

My advice (and it's only worth what you're paying for it) is to stick with 18x8.5" all around, 245/35 tires, and a reasonable offset to which you can add spacers to get the desired "stance".

Just some thoughts. At the end of the day, it's you're car and only you can decide what is the best balance of looks, performance, etc. All we can do is try to give you our opinions based on our personal experiences.

Best of luck! :thumbsup

[johnrando]

Good info, thanks for posting that article.

[SoDelBMW]

Mason, I've followed this thread from the beginning (over the last couple of weeks) and just wanted to do a little sanity check. I know for myself sometimes I start down a road and at some point if I pause I find I've deviated too far from my original goals.

You wanted to get new 18" wheels to replace your 68Ms. Based on the advice you were given and your desire for an "aggressive" look, you decided to go with a square setup. You are prepared to use spacers to get the right "stance". I'm with you so far.

Where I'm a little lost is how you ended up deciding on a 9.5" wheel all around. That's a very wide and massive wheel! I can see that causing all kinds of tramlining issues, potentially also premature front wheel bearing wear problems, and potentially a whole host of others. You're likely adding a lot of unsprung weight and rotational mass which may negatively impact your overall handling, braking, and acceleration.

I installed a set of 17" 68Ms this spring (during pot-hole season) and found the car to be a lot lighter and lively-feeling. What I gave up in tire width and sidewall stiffness I gained back in an "energetic" feel due to the much lighter front wheel/tire combo. I did lose a tiny bit of steering response, and the car may have a little less ultimate grip - but that tends not to be very important on the road. I've also recently gone from 205/55R15 to 205/45R17 on fairly lightweight wheels on the 911, and have regretted by decision - I much preferred the overall feel of the car on the 15s. In that case, however, a big external factor was the dwindling number of performance tire choices in 15".

Car & Driver did an article a few years back talking about this, and found that 17-18" was the "optimal" wheel diameter balancing out all factors.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/effects-of-upsized-wheels-and-tires-tested

I would also suggest that there is a width that hits a "sweet spot", and likely that is no more than 8.5" at the front; so if you want square, then 8.5" at the back also.

My advice (and it's only worth what you're paying for it) is to stick with 18x8.5" all around, 245/35 tires, and a reasonable offset to which you can add spacers to get the desired "stance".

Just some thoughts. At the end of the day, it's you're car and only you can decide what is the best balance of looks, performance, etc. All we can do is try to give you our opinions based on our personal experiences.

Best of luck! :thumbsup

Man you couldn't have posted this at a better time, I have been on the fence about the 9.5 for the last week since my friend(fellow BMW enthusiast) thought I should go as wide as I can and I have been playing with the calculator and researching others opinions on e46f but this is definetly what I needed to get me away from this wide wheel. His definition of stance and lowered is doing everything like on StanceWorks but I on the other hand like that nice middle between stock and "scrapping the ground" low. I did change up the calculator to 8.5 squared and it does work so much more to my advantage and flexible for what I want the car to look like overall. It's been great to have this support for the last few weeks on this decision and have loved the community since the day I joined! Already counting down the days till Bimmerfest and I'm psyched!

Ps. My official new wheel and tire setup will be VMR V710s et35 18x8.5 squared on Michelin PS3 245/35/18s with 5mm spacer on the front and 12mm spacers on the back, if anyone else has any comments I'd like to know by wednsday because I will be ordering everything by then.

Thanks, Mason

[orange260z]

Have you also considered the Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires? They are supposedly better performing than the PS3, have much longer life, and cost less to boot. In the "premium" category, I'm not sure that there is any sacrifice with these tires. I was planning to go PSS on the BMW last year, but ended up getting the Bridgestone S-04 due to availability/price issues with the PSS in Canada.

[SoDelBMW]

Have you also considered the Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires? They are supposedly better performing than the PS3, have much longer life, and cost less to boot. In the "premium" category, I'm not sure that there is any sacrifice with these tires. I was planning to go PSS on the BMW last year, but ended up getting the Bridgestone S-04 due to availability/price issues with the PSS in Canada.

Aren't those summer tires? If not I'll have to check them out.

[SoDelBMW]

Also am I going to need longer lugs since I'm putting spacers on?

[derbo]

Also am I going to need longer lugs since I'm putting spacers on?

Yes unless you plan to convert to studs.

sent from Moto X Dev Edition

[orange260z]

Most 10mm spacer sets come with a hub extension and longer lug bolts(or tell you you have to order them separately). Smaller ones don't often have the hub extension, and don't usually have the longer lug bolts. You should try to always use a hub extending spacer and longer lug bolts - that's why I don't like 5mm spacers - you lose most of the hub lip for hub-centricity and you lose 5mm of your wheel bolts.

The PSS are summer only tires, just like the PS3. Many Mafioso have gone to the PSS and rave about them.

[sillieidiot]

just do the stud conversion too. it'll allow you to play with different spacers down the line without having to buy new bolts each time. usually for 8mm or less, you want the hub extenders.

[johnrando]

Love my PSS's. Yes on the longer bolts as they said.

[SoDelBMW]

Alright explain hub extenders and studs to me? I'm not sure I'm fully grasping what they are, and here are the two sets of spacers I'm looking at getting on TMS will these work?

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3526-hr-5mm-wheel-spacers-for-most-bmw-5-lug-pair.aspx
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-120-bmw-5-lug-125-mm-wheel-spacers-pair-most-bmws-see-applications.aspx

[ELCID86]

The hub-centric part is built into the hub, correct (not a separate part)? As shown in your second link.

[SoDelBMW]

The hub-centric part is built into the hub, correct (not a separate part)? As shown in your second link.

Yes your right.

[ELCID86]

Yes your right.

I was a bit confused by reading the above as well.

[Hornung418]

Hold off on spacers. 35s fit perfectly on the car.

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[SoDelBMW]

I'm just going to order a full set of these from TMS with the 2 different sets of spacers because they are customizable and cheap so the only question I have left is, do I need a hub extender for the front 5mm spacers?

[SoDelBMW]

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-1237-wheel-bolt-for-bmw-mini-12x150-black-fits-most-bmws-see-list.aspx

[sillieidiot]

Alright explain hub extenders and studs to me? I'm not sure I'm fully grasping what they are, and here are the two sets of spacers I'm looking at getting on TMS will these work?

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3526-hr-5mm-wheel-spacers-for-most-bmw-5-lug-pair.aspx
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-120-bmw-5-lug-125-mm-wheel-spacers-pair-most-bmws-see-applications.aspx

hub extenders are exactly what it sounds like. it extends the hub lip out a little bit since a spacer would take up some of the space on the stock lip. it's not really needed for a 5mm spacer, but should you move up to like a 7.5mm down the future, it is recommended.

studs conversion looks like this when installed:
http://www.mfestforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/installed.jpg

iono how to explain in clearly. basically you permanently install the studs so that they stick out and then you use nuts instead of bolts. depending on the length you get, it will determine what's the biggest spacer you can use. you won't need to buy lug bolts each time you swap to a different sized spacer.

as an added bonus, it's easier to swap wheels and you can buy different color nuts lol

[SoDelBMW]

hub extenders are exactly what it sounds like. it extends the hub lip out a little bit since a spacer would take up some of the space on the stock lip. it's not really needed for a 5mm spacer, but should you move up to like a 7.5mm down the future, it is recommended.

studs conversion looks like this when installed:
http://www.mfestforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/installed.jpg

iono how to explain in clearly. basically you permanently install the studs so that they stick out and then you use nuts instead of bolts. depending on the length you get, it will determine what's the biggest spacer you can use. you won't need to buy lug bolts each time you swap to a different sized spacer.

as an added bonus, it's easier to swap wheels and you can buy different color nuts lol

Wow the studs are a lot neater then I thought they would be and would definitely work better in the long run! Now that everything is set I'm ordering everything tomorrow at my local dealer so hopefully I can get everything on by next Wednesday! I'm pumped.

[SoDelBMW]

Alright guys here's the final product after 2 months of researching.......http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/25/uty6uvyt.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/25/ama9yheq.jpg

I'm loving it and nothing but components from many strangers lol


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[ELCID86]

Looking good. Hope they wee complementary as well! (rofl). Did you keep the Style 68s for winter?

[SoDelBMW]

Looking good. Hope they wee complementary as well! (rofl). Did you keep the Style 68s for winter?

:rofl:rofl stupid spell check! And yes they will be my winter wheels.

[ELCID86]

I figured as much. Good plan!

[Vas]

Car does look nice on the new wheels. Glad you like them.

[orange260z]

Looks awesome, Mason? What wheels were these again?

[Avetiso]

:thumbsup

[SoDelBMW]

Thanks guys and these are VMR V710s!

[WOLFN8TR]

Nice, Looks sooo much better!

[SoDelBMW]

I have noticed that in the last few days I have been rubbing in the back two wheels when I hit huge bumps in the road, it's very minor but it's still annoying. I made an appointment with my BMW dealership for my alignment and I mentioned the rubbing to them but I'm not sure what they are going to do. I'm not 100% sure where it's rubbing but it's on the back side of the tire. What do you guys recommend i do? The only thing I can think of doing is getting bigger spacers.

Thanks, Mason

[sillieidiot]

lol bigger spacers will make it worst. figure out where it's rubbing. if it's the inner fender, then roll it. if it's the stud on the back, cut it off.

[SoDelBMW]

lol bigger spacers will make it worst. figure out where it's rubbing. if it's the inner fender, then roll it. if it's the stud on the back, cut it off.

Damn I'm stupid what do you mean by the stud on the back?

[sillieidiot]

Damn I'm stupid what do you mean by the stud on the back?

there's this stud on the back of the fender where the bumper and fender meets. i has a nut on it and holds a bracket for the bumper. i think since you have a non-zhp, it should only have a stud sticking out. that thing hits the tires, just cut it off, you don't really need it.

[SoDelBMW]

there's this stud on the back of the fender where the bumper and fender meets. i has a nut on it and holds a bracket for the bumper. i think since you have a non-zhp, it should only have a stud sticking out. that thing hits the tires, just cut it off, you don't really need it.

Alright I found that its rubbing the outside of the tire right where the sidewall and treed meet. The inside lip of the fender is scratching it so how much does a fender roll cost, I'm assuming thats the only resort.

[Hornung418]

Make a trip to Kristen and Rob's. They've a fender roller and I'm sure they'd be happy to help you out :)

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[sillieidiot]

Alright I found that its rubbing the outside of the tire right where the sidewall and treed meet. The inside lip of the fender is scratching it so how much does a fender roll cost, I'm assuming thats the only resort.

yeah pretty much. iono it depends on the area i guess. cause around my area it's like $80-$120. None of them take out the gunk either, so the roll is mild. You could just DIY it, that's what I did.

when you do it, take out the gunk and roll it as much as you can. cause i'm pretty sure you will rub even more when you lower (as I have told you before). Don't want to pay twice. Get rid of that stud while you're at it too cause it'll get in the way when you lower.

[SoDelBMW]

Make a trip to Kristen and Rob's. They've a fender roller and I'm sure they'd be happy to help you out :)

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Are they coming to bimmerfest? Maybe I could just do it there.


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[SoDelBMW]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/28/ybynesa3.jpg

I just got back from the dealer and it looks like it's DIY time for me unless some of these things don't really have to be done. I'm definitely doing the first 2 within the next month but not sure about the rest.


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[NoVAphotog]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/28/ybynesa3.jpg

I just got back from the dealer and it looks like it's DIY time for me unless some of these things don't really have to be done. I'm definitely doing the first 2 within the next month but not sure about the rest.



You can do Inspection 2 yourself. I've been doing it over the last couple months. Basically it's Fluids, filters, and plugs. Absolutely no reason to pay them that $500 especially since the rest of the "inspection" you basically just accomplished by having them put together that list.

Most of the other things can be found with a quick google search or on here, e.g. http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?1830-BMW-E46-ZHP-DIY-and-Preventative-maintenance-doityourself

$147 for the power steering flush...took Shawn and I 20 minutes with a turkey baster and Red Line D4 ATF fluid to complete that. Ultra simple.

I would say it's worth paying to have the first 3-4 things done, but everything else is something I would recommend you do over the next few weeks as it allows you to learn and get to know your car without too much pressure as they are just basic maintenance items.

[danewilson77]

Do it all yourself. Most likely can't do flushes. What the heck is Nitro Service?

The friendliest forum on the planet.

[ELCID86]

Do it all yourself. Most likely can't do flushes. What the heck is Nitro Service?

The friendliest forum on the planet.

Good price for NOS! :biggrin


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[sillieidiot]

Do it all yourself. Most likely can't do flushes. What the heck is Nitro Service?

The friendliest forum on the planet.

i assume that is nitrogen for the tires

[Johnmadd]

Bump

[SoDelBMW]

Revival.........

I just got off the phone with this shop that was willing to roll the fenders for me and he said that even though the shop doesn't specifically offer it anymore he (the guy I was talking to) could do it himself for me.

So I was like alright how much do you charge per fender or pair?

Then he said wait, asked me the type of car and all that jazz and then he said that there is a high probability that if he rolls my fenders that the paint will crack and then your screwed........

What do you guys think of this???? I'm on the fence about just telling the he can do them or just taking my spacers off and stopping the rub(for the time being).

[Smilez]

he just needs to heat up the paint with a heatgun so that the paint doesn't crack.

[ELCID86]

he just needs to heat up the paint with a heatgun so that the paint doesn't crack.
+1 I haven't done mine, but have watched it being done several times. Never any issues with paint cracking that I saw.

[SoDelBMW]

Wow I can't get my grandfather to budge on his opinion, he's too scared or paint cracking so what's another option

[Hornung418]

You can cut the rears out...but that's a lot easier said than done. A rear fender roll is all you should need. I didn't even heat the paint on the rears because the gap is pretty large.

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[sillieidiot]

like others have said, just heat it up. there is some cracking that usually happens on the inside of the lip. but when you're done, just seal that with some touch up or paint or something.

maybe he doesn't take out the gunk? at that point, it's more like a pull than a roll so i could see the paint cracking.

[SoDelBMW]

Ok I have convinced him to roll the fenders and there is another shop in south Philly that I have talked to that gave me three options. I told him my situation and what's happening and he requested three different ways to fix it:
1. Simply pay them $190 to roll my fenders for me.
2. Drop down to the 10mm spacers
3. Change the camber to negative

All of these things they could do at the shop but I'm on the fence between 1 and 2. What do you guys think?

[Hornung418]

Try trimming the bumper clip first. Pull your wheel and look for the clip. Take a Dremel to that to create some clearance. That should help with the rubbing. And it's free to remove. Then be on the look out for more rubbing. Would hate for you to pay someone to do the job if the rubbing is being caused by the bolt. But if it persists, then I would recommend having them rolled.

[sillieidiot]

Try trimming the bumper clip first. Pull your wheel and look for the clip. Take a Dremel to that to create some clearance. That should help with the rubbing. And it's free to remove. Then be on the look out for more rubbing. Would hate for you to pay someone to do the job if the rubbing is being caused by the bolt. But if it persists, then I would recommend having them rolled.

he's already checked to see, and it's rubbing on the fender lip

i'd do number 1 regardless. iirc, you said that you will be lower later. you are going to need to roll when the time comes. just do it now.

[Hornung418]

he's already checked to see, and it's rubbing on the fender lip

Ah...then a roll is in your future.

What are the tire sizes out back? I'm running square 235/40/18, no rubbing with shaved bolts. The fronts are pretty flush though.

But it wouldnt hurt tonhave them all rolled. You could benefit from having them chopped and rolled and run more meat.

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[ELCID86]

Who has the mafia rolling tool. Mason should borrow it and DIY

[danewilson77]

It's in Wisconsin.

Edit: Memphis. Taliben has it.

The friendliest forum on the planet!

[ELCID86]

^there ya go mason. Get it and have Keith or someone up your way help you did it.

[SoDelBMW]

^there ya go mason. Get it and have Keith or someone up your way help you did it.

Alright will he ship the roller to me and would Keith be my best option to help me roll them or are the other experts out there in the mid Atlantic area?

[Hornung418]

Kristen and Rob if they are not too busy. IDK if KG knows how to roll fenders.

[Taliben]

Yeah I have the tool, I'm finished with it so whoever needs it just shoot me or dane a pm and we can get it worked out.

[danewilson77]

Sounds good.

[SoDelBMW]

Alright well I put 10mm spacers on yesterday and there is still some very minor rub when I hit the big potholes and bumps. Is there anything DIY I can do to the fender where I'm not completely rolling it but just shaving it down??? I literally need like a couple mm of space and I'm good!


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[Smilez]

did you roll your fenders?

[SoDelBMW]

did you roll your fenders?

I have not, I guess thats my last option.

[Smilez]

Are your tires meaty. I seem on you tube years ago. They used a baseball batt to slightly roll the fenders. Insert bat and roll your car forward and back slightly just to fold the lip a bit.

[sillieidiot]

just go in there and wail on the inner lip with a hammer lol but it would mess up the paint on the inner lip for sure lol