Best Short Shift Kit?

[MsRN]

Hi!

I'm thinking of finally installing a short shift kit. I like the smoothness of the stock shifter, but would prefer a shorter throw and less 'slop'. So far, UUC and RE seem to be the two contenders. I'm sure both are solid units. Anyone here have experience with either kit?

[Hermes]

http://www.autosolutions.net

[Avetiso]

I have the OEM SSK. It's a good mild upgrade. I like it, but it's not nearly as good as the after market, expensive kits.

"Arnold smoking a cigar in the Red Square; your argument is invalid." -Galaxy S5

[mbeckel]

I like uuc, that's gonna be what I am going to buy

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[Johal E32]

http://www.autosolutions.net


Hands down the best kit I have ever experienced, I've tried OEM, UUC etc.. but the Auto-solutions kit is amazing.

[MsRN]

Hands down the best kit I have ever experienced, I've tried OEM, UUC etc.. but the Auto-solutions kit is amazing.

Hermes, Johal--

That looks very interesting; I may have to try it. What shift lever did you mate to it?

[Hermes]

Lever? Just buy his full kit, nothing else on the market compares to his system

You will have to contact him and he's not gonna be happy. The 6MT on our cars is one of his least favorite kits to make because of the difficultly in making it (part of why his is so much better than the rest)

[Avetiso]

Lever? Just buy his full kit, nothing else on the market compares to his system

You will have to contact him and he's not gonna be happy. The 6MT on our cars is one of his least favorite kits to make because of the difficultly in making it (part of why his is so much better than the rest)

What's it cost?

"Arnold smoking a cigar in the Red Square; your argument is invalid." -Galaxy S5

[Hermes]

I don't know, I haven't called him yet. To give you an idea, his kit for 80-82 320i is $250

[MsRN]

Sorry--I meant knob...

[STREETFIGHTER50]

Shifters are pricy for our cars. This looks really interesting tho. If it cleans up the slop as much as it sounds I'm interested as well

[alexandre]

I love the 330d shifter (aka BMW Performance SSK) but it's a very mild upgrade indeed.

FYI you'll need to replace part #25117580281 to fix the slop, whether you install an OEM or aftermarket SSK (or none at all)

[Stewbie]

I love the 330d shifter (aka BMW Performance SSK) but it's a very mild upgrade indeed.

FYI you'll need to replace part #25117580281 to fix the slop, whether you install an OEM or aftermarket SSK (or none at all)

Here's the realoem page that shows that part. Its #12. http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=EV53&mospid=47725&btnr=25_0413&hg=25&fg=05

[iZHP]

I had the Rogue Engineering, and it too, is a mild upgrade. I've heard auto solutions is the way to go.

[MsRN]

Auto Solutions it is, then! :)

[Rovert]

I had an autosolutions lever on my ZHP. The funny thing is it was a 5-speed version which the owner thought wouldn't work. It set all my shifting points further back which was great for my short arms. So neutral is like setting OEM into 4th. Just have to watch the thumb getting pinched in a 2,4,6 shift if you are the one to hold your knob. LOL

[ELCID86]

Auto Solutions it is, then! :)

Awesome. Keep us posted!

[Hornung418]

We need to set up a GB if he doesn't like to make them for six speeds.

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[Hermes]

We need to set up a GB if he doesn't like to make them for six speeds.

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I'm in

[yura]

Hi!

I'm thinking of finally installing a short shift kit. I like the smoothness of the stock shifter, but would prefer a shorter throw and less 'slop'. So far, UUC and RE seem to be the two contenders. I'm sure both are solid units. Anyone here have experience with either kit?

My ZHP had the RE short shifter and I absolutely loved it.

[Hornung418]

If we can do 10% off and free shipping I might be down. Currently enjoying the BMW Performance shifter...but my knob is broken :(

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[Stewbie]

Bavarian Auto has a two part video on installing a SSK:

Part 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dAS2laN-YE


Part 2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO7dtdG09DY

[ELCID86]

And? Did you??

[Stewbie]

No. My back's not up to it.

[ELCID86]

How about MsRN?

[ELCID86]

I just spoke to Ronald at Autosolutions.net for about 20 min. I went with his kit for $350 + $15 s/h. He has about 1 week lead time.

[Vas]

Is your shifter in that bad of a condition? Looking forward to pictures and a review.

[NoVAphotog]

I just spoke to Ronald at Autosolutions.net for about 20 min. I went with his kit for $350 + $15 s/h. He has about 1 week lead time.

Very nice. Looking forward to your review (supplemented with a NoVAphotog comparison test). :thumbsup

[ELCID86]

Very nice. Looking forward to your review (supplemented with a NoVAphotog comparison test). :thumbsup

There is a shop in Rockville that sells/installs them. Ronald recommended them. The quote I got was $734 for SSK and install OTD. I think I'll go PTuning in Manassas based on price and convenience (aka location).


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[derbo]

I want the AS shifter..

[Vas]

Group deal ?

[ELCID86]

Group deal ?

I'm happy to talk to Ronald. Be sure you can either DIY or find a shop that will install customer parts. Most bimmer shops I've called do not. One shop said they would with no guarantee and a higher hourly rate. Another said they would order the AS SSK but their price was about $40 more than direct.


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[Hermes]

I want the AS shifter..

lol


Group deal ?

I'm in. I need one for an E21 w/Getrag 245 as well

[derbo]

My cousin just ordered an Auto solutions..crap

[Johal E32]

Auto solutions is the best I have ever experienced. I also like the AKG DTM shifter, but overkill for a street car.

[DenzZHP]

I have the B&M short shift kit with the clutch valve delete. Both work well but also makes you really have to concentrate when shifting. Every once in a while I will perform a lazy shift and the car will immediately tell me that my shift sucked.

I have the stock shifter and was thinking of swapping them to feel the difference as it has been a while and can't remember how each feel.

[ELCID86]

Autosolutions SSK came in. Need to schedule the install.

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[Avetiso]

Autosolutions SSK came in. Need to schedule the install.

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Did you get the full kit?

[Johal E32]

I need an auto solutions. Such a beautiful kit..

[ELCID86]

Did you get the full kit?

Am I missing something? This is what he included in the box (plus instructions).

BTW, took him about a month to have it fabricated and shipped to me. I sent several emails asking for a status update.


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[Avetiso]

Am I missing something? This is what he included in the box (plus instructions).

BTW, took him about a month to have it fabricated and shipped to me. I sent several emails asking for a status update.


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I think there is also the selector rod.

[ELCID86]

I think I remember him saying it wasn't needed when I was asking about UUC's DSSR. I'll check unless someone else here knows.


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[wsmeyer]

I think I remember him saying it wasn't needed when I was asking about UUC's DSSR. I'll check unless someone else here knows

The selector rod is the bent part arm at the bottom of the shifter. It's backwards in the pic you posted though, it bends up over the front u-joint and then down. I really don't think it's possible to install it upside down though. What I'm not seeing in the pic is the pin where it attaches to the transmission, part #15 in this pic:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/a/n/202.png

I've never seen this specific shifter so maybe it isn't even used but you should check in the instructions before tearing everything apart.

[wsmeyer]

This is actually the OEM ZHP shifter:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/i/f/153.png

You can see the bent connector rod and the pin is again #15

Part numbers here:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BW53&mospid=47707&btnr=25_0413&hg=25&fg=05

[ELCID86]

A few more. There is no pin in the box.

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[ELCID86]

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[wsmeyer]

The instructions have you reusing the pin. Many people have reported that the front assembly as the source of slop but I've never heard which specific parts actually wear. Most just replace everything with one of these kits that also includes the pin:

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/SiteSearch/23411466134/ES2594076/

It's highly possible that he didn't include it because it doesn't wear but considering the price I wouldn't want to get all the way in there and then realize I need a new one:

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/SiteSearch/23411466134/ES43815/

[ELCID86]

Thanks. Ronald (Owner) is going to send a list of parts that may need replacing. I will do the pin for sure.


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[ELCID86]

After emailing with AutoSolutions, I do plan to replace both shifter bushings 52111222015 and 25117507695 as well as the dowel pin 2311466134.

[Hermes]

It's highly possible that he didn't include it because it doesn't wear but considering the price I wouldn't want to get all the way in there and then realize I need a new one

The part that usually wears out and causes slop is the rubber bushing for the connection between the selector rod and the rod joint, the pin just locks it in place:


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[ELCID86]

The part that usually wears out and causes slop is the rubber bushing for the connection between the selector rod and the rod joint, the pin just locks it in place:

This one? 25-11-7-507-695 Picture 18/19 (or 50)? http://www.pelicanparts.com/bmw/techarticles/E36-Shift_Bushings/E36-Shift_Bushings.htm

[wsmeyer]

This one? 25-11-7-507-695 Picture 18/19 (or 50)? http://www.pelicanparts.com/bmw/techarticles/E36-Shift_Bushings/E36-Shift_Bushings.htm

Neither. referencing this pic:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/i/f/153.png

He's talking about part #10 which your kit replaces with something undoubtedly harder and longer lasting.

If it was me, in addition to your kit, I'd replace both #2's, #5, and the pin #15. That covers all the reported sources of slop.

[ELCID86]

I think those are the parts I have targeted. Aren't pictures # 18 & 19 on pelican the same as #2 above (25-11-7-507-695)?

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#10s are already addressed on this SSK (included).

[wsmeyer]

I think those are the parts I have targeted. Aren't pictures # 18 & 19 on pelican the same as #2 above (25-11-7-507-695)?

Similar. The ZHP carrier is forked in the front and uses 2x 25-11-7-519-670

[ELCID86]

Hmm, I thought that's where the 695 went. Do I need them and the 670 or is it instead of the 695?

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[wsmeyer]

The E46 used two different carriers. RealOEM show this one for up to 06/2003 and is the one in the DIY on Pelican

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BW53&mospid=47707&btnr=25_0375&hg=25&fg=05

This is the one for E46 from 06/2003. It uses the carrier that is forked in the front and the bushings are 25-11-7-519-670

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BW53&mospid=47707&btnr=25_0413&hg=25&fg=05

[ELCID86]

The E46 used two different carriers. RealOEM show this one for up to 06/2003 and is the one in the DIY on Pelican

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BW53&mospid=47707&btnr=25_0375&hg=25&fg=05

This is the one for E46 from 06/2003. It uses the carrier that is forked in the front and the bushings are 25-11-7-519-670

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BW53&mospid=47707&btnr=25_0413&hg=25&fg=05

Thanks so much!

[Hermes]

I'm referring to this

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[ELCID86]

RIght JP. Those are new and included.

What I asked the shop to have on hand is:

#5117519670 (x2)

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BW53&mospid=47707&btnr=25_0413&hg=25&fg=05




Additionally, one of these #25111222015, Bearing, shifting arm, and Dowel pin # 23411466134

[wsmeyer]

I'm referring to this

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Nice arrow :applause

Those are the #10's in the RealOEM pics. my recommendation was:

"If it was me, in addition to your kit, I'd replace both #2's, #5, and the pin #15. That covers all the reported sources of slop."

[ELCID86]

+1 on the arrow! thanks for the mental assist guys :facepalm

[Hermes]

Hmm, I thought that's where the 695 went. Do I need them and the 670 or is it instead of the 695?

15706

Those will definitely help, but what I'm saying is the two most important issues regarding solving the slop have been addressed by this kit. The main issues are the cup and the bushing:

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Every little bit adds up to a better linkage, your plan sounds good to me :)

[ELCID86]

Thanks for confirming JP. Can't wait until next Monday.

And you are the arrow master!


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[ELCID86]

Got the Autosolutions SSK installed today. It sure is different--quite a bit more notch. I do like the feel though. The tech said he liked the design and it should last a lot longer than OEM--another 182k?? :fingerscrossed

Before:

http://youtu.be/9r0zJ1Wgixg

After:

http://youtu.be/MhzT6rYJY10

[328ioc]

Nice videos.

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[Hornung418]

Server error for the second video :-(

That's a lot of slop in the OE shifter!!

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[fredo]

Both videos worked for me.

[ELCID86]

Server error for the second video :-(

That's a lot of slop in the OE shifter!!

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Might have gone viral :dunno ;-)

And oh yes there was. The bushings one would have cleared up most of it I'm sure.



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[Hornung418]

Might have gone viral :dunno ;-)

And oh yes there was. The bushings one would have cleared up most of it I'm sure.



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I saw it on my computer.

Most of the slop is actually the shift lever. It's two piece design separates over extended/ normal use.

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[derbo]

Got the Autosolutions SSK installed today. It sure is different--quite a bit more notch. I do like the feel though. The tech said he liked the design and it should last a lot longer than OEM--another 182k?? :fingerscrossed

Before:

http://youtu.be/9r0zJ1Wgixg

After:

http://youtu.be/MhzT6rYJY10

You make me want this so bad. :X

[ItsRichieRich]

Anyone compare the Rogue Engineering to Auto Solutions SSK? Deciding between the two. Probably can't go wrong either either.

[johnrando]

I know a few ppl who like the AS one btr. Not scientific but I trust their judgement.

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[sillieidiot]

Anyone compare the Rogue Engineering to Auto Solutions SSK? Deciding between the two. Probably can't go wrong either either.

DO NOT do Rogue LOL That was my experience with Rogue. AS is the way. Just buy it, don't look anywhere else. You can try it on my car, if I get my car in working order to drive down to your car meet lol

[ItsRichieRich]

DO NOT do Rogue LOL That was my experience with Rogue. AS is the way. Just buy it, don't look anywhere else. You can try it on my car, if I get my car in working order to drive down to your car meet lol

What was it about the Rogue? Material? Design?

[sillieidiot]

What was it about the Rogue? Material? Design?

It wasn't specifically designed for our car. They just took a lever from a different car and slapped it on. They initially gave me the wrong lever from a different car too. I got it replaced and it didn't change any of the characteristics lol It was slightly off center and didn't engage well in 1st and 2nd gear. It only reduced the throw by 10%, you got 4% more if you had the ZHP knob. It was notchy. It did reduce the slop initially, then after a few months became even worst than what I started with. It was built similar to OE. Aluminum lever, with plastic pivot ball. It reused all of the the shifter parts except for new washers/clips, and a new cup for the carrier. I don't even think it used a new selector rod.

Then dealing with them. OMG it's like dealing with Tesla. Such a PIA and they don't even respond and shit. I pretty much just don't buy shit from them if I can now.

Then I went with a full custom kit with AS that replaced everything. It was night and day.

This is just for the 330 6sp. For some reason the 330 5sp is like miles better than the 6sp. The reason why I went with RE in the first place was due to my friend's 330 5sp having it and it felt pretty good.

[t.er]

Then dealing with them. OMG it's like dealing with Tesla.

:rofl

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[d-rod]

I ended buying the UUC evo3 shifter with the DSSR they had a great deal going on during Memorial Day I couldn’t pass up. They forgot to include the delrin carrier bushings. I contacted them and they shipped them out , waiting for them to arrive then I will install it myself. Read multiple diy and looks totally doable.


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[ItsRichieRich]

It wasn't specifically designed for our car. They just took a lever from a different car and slapped it on. They initially gave me the wrong lever from a different car too. I got it replaced and it didn't change any of the characteristics lol It was slightly off center and didn't engage well in 1st and 2nd gear. It only reduced the throw by 10%, you got 4% more if you had the ZHP knob. It was notchy. It did reduce the slop initially, then after a few months became even worst than what I started with. It was built similar to OE. Aluminum lever, with plastic pivot ball. It reused all of the the shifter parts except for new washers/clips, and a new cup for the carrier. I don't even think it used a new selector rod.

Then dealing with them. OMG it's like dealing with Tesla. Such a PIA and they don't even respond and shit. I pretty much just don't buy shit from them if I can now.

Then I went with a full custom kit with AS that replaced everything. It was night and day.

This is just for the 330 6sp. For some reason the 330 5sp is like miles better than the 6sp. The reason why I went with RE in the first place was due to my friend's 330 5sp having it and it felt pretty good.

Yikes, maybe I will avoid it. I was going to get a killer deal on them but I rather not deal with the headache to save $200. I will definitely give AS a call and see what their turnaround time is.

If you don't mind me asking, which "kit" did you get from AS?

[sillieidiot]

Yikes, maybe I will avoid it. I was going to get a killer deal on them but I rather not deal with the headache to save $200. I will definitely give AS a call and see what their turnaround time is.

If you don't mind me asking, which "kit" did you get from AS?

Mine would be considered the ultimate kit. Since it replaces everything. But for our cars, he only makes the lever, selector rod and stuff. He doesn't make the shift carrier/arm since he said our cars design is plenty good enough. I just forced him to make it for me :rofl

[Thatguy_JZ]

I'm running the Rogue SSK in my ZHP. I haven't had any problems with it at all. It came with a new lever that had their metal pivot ball, and a new factory carrier that had their cup welded to it. It also came with new style clips and hardware. I'm also running their old school high rise carbon shift knob. Myself and the few experienced people I've let drive my car have all been quite pleased with how it feels.

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[johnrando]

So apparently there IS an updated version of Ron's shifter (AS), due out in July.

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[ItsRichieRich]

So apparently there IS an updated version of Ron's shifter (AS), due out in July.

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I talked to him after Willie's feedback. Ron mentioned that too me and I went with it. Can't wait till I get it! :)