Any angel eyes recommendations ?

[HockeyGoon]

I want to get a pair of angle eyes that would look good on my 05 coupe
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/03/ga6yzu6u.jpg
Any recommendations?

[jakksfor20]

Orion "whatever they are up to now". I think 2.5. You do know you will have to bake your headlights, correct?

[ELCID86]

You guys that got shorted two doors, also got headlights that don't come apart nearly as easy as sedans.

[johnrando]

For coupes, I like my Umnitza Orions. I've heard that others have had some issues with them lately, but I never have. This is another thread on this in the "lighting" section, where I'll move this when your done.

[Lanister]

For our Coupes, the angel eyes are considerably more expensive than for sedans. So much so that I got discouraged from going that route completely. Not to mention the headache of having to bake the headlights in the oven to pry them open. I know it's doable but seems like a heck of a lot of effort+money for a light show that I don't get to see myself :)

But to answer your question, Umnitza or Khoalty are your best options.

[johnrando]

Mine come on every time I unlock my car. They also fade out when I lock my car. So actually, I get to see them a lot, every time time I walk up to my car from the front. (not to mention off the reflection in other cars). Plus, I KNOW they are there, so that helps :) My main this is bling, plus I really like that they act as DRLs.

[Lanister]

Fair play, John :)

[Vas]

Khoalty and their price does seem attractive

[Lanister]

Khoalty and their price does seem attractive

$329.99 at Khoalty vs $269.99 at Umnitza?

[NickZHP]

I just got Orion V2's and I love them and they also seem to be the most popular among other e46 owners.

[Vas]

I was talking about sedans. Sorry guys

[JKO_ZHP]

Loos like you have a coupe.
I bought the entire headlight set from Khoalty before with their Helios angel eyes in them. They're UU-shaped.
Now I've got Umnitza's Orion V2.0s which are OO-shaped.
TBH I like how the Orion V2s look but after having an un-fixable issue with mine, I wish I still had the Helios.
Umnitza came out with the Orion V2.5s to counter the common issues that the 2.0s had like mine. As long as you get those if you go the Umnitza route, you should be fine.

[Lanister]

Loos like you have a coupe.
I bought the entire headlight set from Khoalty before with their Helios angel eyes in them. They're UU-shaped.
Now I've got Umnitza's Orion V2.0s which are OO-shaped.
TBH I like how the Orion V2s look but after having an un-fixable issue with mine, I wish I still had the Helios.
Umnitza came out with the Orion V2.5s to counter the common issues that the 2.0s had like mine. As long as you get those if you go the Umnitza route, you should be fine.

Do you have a few pics of the Helios UU angel eyes? Never knew that was even on option for coupes.

[sillieidiot]

Do you have a few pics of the Helios UU angel eyes? Never knew that was even on option for coupes.

i think he's talking about this

http://www.khoalty.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/e/depo04_3.jpg

it's only like this for the DEPO headlights. it's still OO shaped but not a full circle like how all the other e46s are. but when you buy just the rings themselves, it's a full circle still.

[JKO_ZHP]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2191qO3Dt1r2z3guo1_1280.jpg

Looks UU to me. The short time I had them on, I had more than a few inquiries on them since they were actually pretty decent and stood out since the norm was the full circle AE's, both aftermarket and factory.

Here's another:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0csjdGnw61r2z3guo1_1280.jpg

They don't seem it in the second picture (taken with cell phone) but the ones that come with the DEPOs are actually closer to 6000K than the Orion V2s.

[sillieidiot]

yeah i just painted the tops of the orions for a customer. same effect lol only thing is, with the DEPO lights, the inner and outer rings are different sizes so it looks better. with all of them the same size, it just reminds me of the CCFL angels.

[JKO_ZHP]

Totally forgot about the sizes. Man.....I miss it.
When it got totaled and towed same-night, I planned to get there the next morning to retrieve the DEPO headlights. They weren't damaged.
When I got there bright and early, the shop owner tells me they hauled it away asap. Pissed me off......I didn't get to pick at anything and it hadn't even been more than 7 hours since it got hit.

[sillieidiot]

lol you should get some now. give me your current headlights for free. i'll run them for kicks lol

[DDub88]

I have the Orion V2. When they work properly, I love em. Half the time the two outter rings are half out, drive further down the road and they're working


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[HockeyGoon]

So I come back to this topic because I want to put angel eyes on my car , but I want a white not a bright blue , something that would look good on my car and just accent it.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/nugehyhu.jpg
I understand I will have to bake my headlights to install them.

[HockeyGoon]

And I do not want to buy DEPOs , so again I ask for you guys to help me find a nice pair .

[danewilson77]

I'm gonna say either JLeviSW, or Orion V2/V4 from Umnitza.

Lots of options too.

Samsung Galaxy S5...

[NickZHP]

The Orion V2's look amazing and they definitely look more white than anything else.

[Avetiso]

I prefer coupes without them, but taste is neither right or wrong.

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[mLuMaN83]

I ordered some and ended up taking them out. Looked like a mod rather than factory. Just my experience. I love the AE's but on my pre face lift coupe, it looked cheap.

Personally, I'de leave it be. Cleanliness is next to Bimmerness.

+1 to the above mentioned if you go that route.

[sillieidiot]

i think you can really only go with orions for the fl coupe. and it's still like too blue. i wish EAS came out with their version, it was the perfect white color imo. or you can go with CCFL still. as long as the install is great, it won't burn out and die on you.

[JKO_ZHP]

The Orion V2's look amazing and they definitely look more white than anything else.

V2's are very blue, actually.....Umnitza only sells them in 4300K (yellow) or 6000K (blue).
Mine are the 6000K ones and when side-by-side with the F30/F10/etc. with the lighting package, it's noticeably blue-r than their factory AE's.

[QC_ZHP]

+1. My V2s are extremely blue. I wish they made a 5000k

[NickZHP]

V2's are very blue, actually.....Umnitza only sells them in 4300K (yellow) or 6000K (blue).
Mine are the 6000K ones and when side-by-side with the F30/F10/etc. with the lighting package, it's noticeably blue-r than their factory AE's.

Really? I know 5000K is pure white and that my angel eyes are 6000K but I never really thought they looked that blue, but now that I think about it the cars with stock angel eyes do look more white. Too bad the Orions don't have 5000K for an option.

[sillieidiot]

umnitza's 6000k = 6500k that's why it's so blue.

[QC_ZHP]

umnitza's 6000k = 6500k that's why it's so blue.

Makes sense, I'm disappointed in mine. Looks way too aftermarket

[NickZHP]

Just took some quick shots of my V2's.

http://i.imgur.com/qoK7XaL.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/mPNyVJF.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/3NePQqJ.jpg?1

There is definitely blue present since after all they are rated at 6000K, not 5000K. Even though they are not pure white, they're not so blue that it annoys me so I still like them a lot.

[johnrando]

But the 4300s are yellow. Ask me how I know. :)

[danewilson77]

Just took some quick shots of my V2's.

http://i.imgur.com/qoK7XaL.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/mPNyVJF.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/3NePQqJ.jpg?1

There is definitely blue present since after all they are rated at 6000K, not 5000K. Even though they are not pure white, they're not so blue that it annoys me so I still like them a lot.

Those Look nice.

Samsung Galaxy S5...

[johnrando]

+1. I really like the look of the blue white AEs. I wanted something different for my car.

[mLuMaN83]

Mine were too blue also. Did not look OEM. I thought about CCFL's but decided that AE's really aren't that important. Just keep her clean and free of issues.

[JKO_ZHP]

Guess it's all up to the individual - I loved how it appeared more and more blue as time went on. If anything, I don't want it to look like another OEM set on the new models; but the slight blue is subtle, not to the overly-gaudy 8000K+ blue/purple.

[QC_ZHP]

^It probably looks alot better on silver grey then my OB.

[SoDelBMW]

http://www.e46zone.com/forum/topic/49207-angel-eyes-installation-guide-for-bmw-e46-facelift-03-05/

I'm about to buy some umnitza v2's but is this the correct installation guide? The pictures kind of make it confusing so if you guys know of a better one then that would be greatly appreciated.

[QC_ZHP]

http://www.fastm.com/m3/angeleyes_orionv2.html

This is the one Umnitza will send along with your angel eyes. Very simple to follow along and easy installation. I recommend pulling it up on your computer though as some of the directions are cut off and pictures are hard to see on the Umnitza print.

[SoDelBMW]

Nice this one is easier to follow and I see what you mean, when I click on an individual picture it gives you a better high quality picture to look at thanks!

[cakM3]

http://www.e46zone.com/forum/topic/49207-angel-eyes-installation-guide-for-bmw-e46-facelift-03-05/

I'm about to buy some umnitza v2's but is this the correct installation guide? The pictures kind of make it confusing so if you guys know of a better one then that would be greatly appreciated.

I have found that Umnitza will send the same installation instructions (V2s) for both their V2 and V4 angel eyes. I chose the Orion V4s for both of my BMWs and couldn't be happier with the results :thumbsup

[WOLFN8TR]

Sub'd for when I build up enough courage to Bake my headlights!

[johnrando]

Come to LA to hang, have sillieidiot do them.

[sillieidiot]

Come to LA to hang, have sillieidiot do them.

or ship it to me. i prefer those cause i don't have to do the wiring lol

[WOLFN8TR]

Hmmm so tempting on both offers! I was looking at Khoalty's Helios LED angel eyes for my car. Why are they $200 more than all the others? $129 vs $329 for mine! Dam!

[SoDelBMW]

I've looked at a lot of installation guides and I still kind of confused on why it in tails baking your headlights for face lift coupes? (Happens to be my car)

[danewilson77]

It's the only way to remove your lenses. They are glued.

[SoDelBMW]

It's the only way to remove your lenses. They are glued.

Ohhh now I understand, I've also seen people just hair dryer the glue until it becomes soft and pull it apart. Which way do you think is better?

[danewilson77]

Well...I think a hair dryer would be the last conservative approach, I've only heard of people baking them.

Samsung Galaxy S5...

[WOLFN8TR]

Ohhh now I understand, I've also seen people just hair dryer the glue until it becomes soft and pull it apart. Which way do you think is better?

Hair Dryer won't get hot enough, heat gun is required. The trick using a heat gun is heating it evenly and consistently. That's why baking them is the standard way to do this.

[sillieidiot]

i prefer baking. when you do it with a heat gun, you tend to mess up the housing more trying to dig the flat (or whatever you're using) to pry the lights apart. with the whole thing heated up at once, at most you would have a single point, then the rest comes off pretty easily. but i mean if you don't care about the housing, they yeah go for it. That's what Bav-X does. Then they add silicone to it. Just doesn't look OEM though.

[Hermes]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/jhermes/185a290e.jpg

And I might have to do it again to the E-code high beams on the E21 if I can't find legit French beams

[danewilson77]

What's the preferred temp on this through experience? 230°F?

Samsung Galaxy S5...

[WOLFN8TR]

I remember reading approx 200 for 10 minutes.

[danewilson77]

Copy.

Samsung Galaxy S5...

[WOLFN8TR]

DIY Facelift Coupe Angel Eyes "Baking" (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=595976)

[nomsg]

How about this method?

http://youtu.be/W6UvaSYdeDo

I am going to do this on my B7 A4 Avant to mod headlight ambers to clear corners. E.g.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2019/2478919487_34f31f46ce_b.jpg

[jakksfor20]

Baking should take about 7-10 minutes. I don't see any real advantage to doing the heat gun/box method, other than if your oven is too small.

[WOLFN8TR]

Hey guys I found some Khoalty's Helios LED Angel Eyes for sale. Can you guys take a look at these and make sure these are the correct ones for my 2005 Coupe. Are the Coupe Angel Eyes completely round?

A while back, I purchased some LED angel eyes from Khoalty for my facelift E46. I never ended up installing them and have since sold my E46. This means I have no need for them anymore.

For sale is a BRAND NEW set of Facelift E46 LED angel eyes that retail for 329.99. I am asking for 175.00 if picked up. Local pick up in the bay area is preferred but am willing to ship if you pay for shipping. The set comes complete with everything including the double sided tape that Khoalty provides (a lot of people recommend getting your own 3M tape).

Please see the URL for the angel eyes:
http://www.khoalty.com/bmw-e46-led-angel-eyes.html

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1045974

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/27/sequ7yze.jpg

[sillieidiot]

well they are full circles so it's probably right. our coupes are the only e46s that get full rings

[WOLFN8TR]

well they are full circles so it's probably right. our coupes are the only e46s that get full rings

That's funny I just sent you a PM. The guy had a 2005 ZHP Coupe he just sold.

[sillieidiot]

yeah well he never put it on, so that doesn't really help to confirm it's the right ones lol

but honestly, i think the umnitza's kit is the cheapest option. it's like what? 160 + ship. i'd try to talk him down more lol

[WOLFN8TR]

yeah well he never put it on, so that doesn't really help to confirm it's the right ones lol

but honestly, i think the umnitza's kit is the cheapest option. it's like what? 160 + ship. i'd try to talk him down more lol

I offered him $175 shipped beings these are $329 plus shipping thru Khoalty. I haven't heard anything back from the seller yet. I will look into the Umnitza's. Are you still willing to help a Rookie out with the baking?

[sillieidiot]

I offered him $175 shipped beings these are $329 plus shipping thru Khoalty. I haven't heard anything back from the seller yet. I will look into the Umnitza's. Are you still willing to help a Rookie out with the baking?

sure, but i think the DIY i helped write on e46fanatics might be better, unless we are doing some sort of skype session or something lol or you coming down to john's house again?

[WOLFN8TR]

Was thinking of coming down, need to roll my fenders also.

[sillieidiot]

yeah that would work also. you should roll the shit out of your fenders lol. for the fronts, just hammer it flat. that's what i did. i couldn't even roll it since the suspension was too low and i didn't want to mess with my already perfected settings.

[WOLFN8TR]

yeah that would work also. you should roll the shit out of your fenders lol. for the fronts, just hammer it flat. that's what i did. i couldn't even roll it since the suspension was too low and i didn't want to mess with my already perfected settings.

Angel Eyes are inbound! Now I need to decide if I'm going to attempt this or head to Cali to let the Pro do it. Hmmm....:scratchinghead

[sillieidiot]

make sure it works before you decide lol

[WOLFN8TR]

make sure it works before you decide lol

I had the guy test them before I agreed to buy them. I will test them again thou.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/30/a3upyryq.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/30/asudu2ub.jpg

[sillieidiot]

nice

[WOLFN8TR]

I decided to tackle this Mod today. Let the fun begin!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/10/7yne6u6y.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/10/ada6upym.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/10/ba9abaqu.jpg

[sillieidiot]

nice, finish pictures?

[WOLFN8TR]

Wish I could post some. I ran into a few issues to say the least. Worst one was just as I was putting the headlights back together one of the wires broke off the angel eye. I was being really careful and it still broke. I just got done soldering it back on. I'm past frustrated and calling it a night. :facepalm

[sillieidiot]

damn that sucks. at least you're more than halfway through

[WOLFN8TR]

Well I Finally got it done. I had two Angel eyes wiring break off!! I was extremely careful and they still broke.

Khoalty 6000K LED Angel Eyes. They are super Bright!!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/11/uqa8egev.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/11/zama5y7e.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/11/evu6y3y3.jpg

[sillieidiot]

looks good

[TomTomTuning]

Oh yea! Very nice!

I love having angle eyes on my car, they make the car look so damn good, especially at night.

[WOLFN8TR]

Ya I really like the look, the install not so much.

[sillieidiot]

Ya I really like the look, the install not so much.

iono i actually like doing the install on the fl coupe. takes me like 5 hours or so cause i take my sweet ass time lol.

[johnrando]

:like

[QC_ZHP]

Anyone familiar with these?

http://www.bavtoys.com/thinline.php

[johnrando]

Are they reselling Orion Predators? If so, Orions are good. I have the V2s with no issues, they are up to V4s now. i don't think any AE's are perfect, but I've read good consensus on these.

[QC_ZHP]

I had the V2s as well and I wasn't happy with the look. I'm more interested in the Thinlines. I have never seen them before and I think they thin circle would look a lot better. I can't find a pic of them on an e46 though.

[sillieidiot]

They are just bare ccfl tubes. They are dim during the day and decent at night. Can't beat them in terms of uniformity. Unlike what many people claim, they are reliable. But it depends greatly the installation/installer. Just look up chromiums for a reference then think even thinner than that.

[FL116]

Im probably just going to get my AE from Khoalty. Decent price and heard good reviews.

[WOLFN8TR]

Im probably just going to get my AE from Khoalty. Decent price and heard good reviews.

I had those on my ZHP and they did look good but 3 of the 4 wires broke off the AE when doing the install. If you decide to get these epoxy the back side where the wires connect to reinforce them before installing.

On my M3 I went with the Orion V4's with the Night controller and they are very bright! Very high quality, definitely recommend these!

[FL116]

I had those on my ZHP and they did look good but 3 of the 4 wires broke off the AE when doing the install. If you decide to get these epoxy the back side where the wires connect to reinforce them before installing.

On my M3 I went with the Orion V4's with the Night controller and they are very bright! Very high quality, definitely recommend these!





Thanks for the advice! I should have done AE's at the same time I switched my lenses... Im dumb haha

[cakM3]

On my M3 I went with the Orion V4's with the Night controller and they are very bright! Very high quality, definitely recommend these!


I will add you will pay more money for the Orion V4's but what you're getting is lifetime on the rings and quality AE's. I got these for both of my cars and couldn't be happier with them :thumbsup


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[WOLFN8TR]

Thanks for the advice! I should have done AE's at the same time I switched my lenses... Im dumb haha

At least they are easy to take off, I had to bake my coupe headlights on my ZHP to install the AE. PITA!

[sillieidiot]

At least they are easy to take off, I had to bake my coupe headlights on my ZHP to install the AE. PITA!

lol iono i don't think they are a PIA. it just takes longer.

[WOLFN8TR]

lol iono i don't think they are a PIA. it just takes longer.

For you easy, for me PITA. [emoji41]

[QC_ZHP]

They are just bare ccfl tubes. They are dim during the day and decent at night. Can't beat them in terms of uniformity. Unlike what many people claim, they are reliable. But it depends greatly the installation/installer. Just look up chromiums for a reference then think even thinner than that.

I appreciate the info. I think the thinner rings look much better. Still on the fence between AEs and DRLs.

[johnrando]

Well, to me, AE's are cooler, look better, and act as DRLs. DRLs are free though. :biggrin

[fredo]

What do you mean DLRs are free ?

[johnrando]

We already have them, you just have to code them to ON. They are the inner lights in our headlights. Some people call them "city lights".

[FL116]

Well, to me, AE's are cooler, look better, and act as DRLs. DRLs are free though. :biggrin

+1. IMO I would rather have AE's

[cakM3]

We already have them, you just have to code them to ON. They are the inner lights in our headlights. Some people call them "city lights".

DRLs should not be mistaken for city lights John. They're different. The DRLs are the inner lights that are usually used for flash to pass. When coded on they light up like regular headlights but on the inside bowls instead...

City lights are actual lights (smaller than the H7s used as DRLs) and they provide a more subtle light using the inner bowls as well. there is a hole in the inner bowl where the actual city lights poke thru if installed... I'm sure Botond could chime in where city lights are concerned....this is something he has wanted for his ZHP ever since I met him....

Pictured below is a car that has city lights.... you can see the lighting on the inner bowls are subdued... this is the look BP has been going for with his current setup.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5467/17903290715_49864afeaa_z.jpg

Some threads on city light diy's I have found...
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=12252 (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=12252)

For city lights you need the following:

City light Housing 63 12 8 380 205 $3.60 (Not including bulbs)
City light Housing Holder 61 13 8 373 332 $0.60
OEM Cable for Housing Holder 61 13 0 007 256 $.66 each cable (you need 4)

Splicing Clips $4 (pack of four at radioshack or something)

This is what the cables for the housing holder should look like..
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5444/17904089081_e1e3242a74_z.jpg

In the picture below you can see exactly where the city lights come out from the inner bowl (shown as a red bulb in this pic)... the H7 bulb used for DRLs is not shown in this pic...
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7696/17716073710_16b5b05da3_c.jpg

[johnrando]

Ah, thanks for the clarification on city lights.. What I meant was coding the inner lights on to use as DRLs. I think it was just a wording issue. So, calling them the same thing would be incorrect, but they would serve the same function. Either way, you can code on inner lights that would act as DRLs was my main point, or you could use AE's. And now technically, there is a 3rd option to install city lights which would ACT as DRLs, but they are technically not the same thing. Where is that "the more you know" emoticon? :)

[WOLFN8TR]

FYI my Orion V4's are so bright I can easily drive with just them on.