BEWARE: Imola ZHP 6MT on eBay

[zhphizz]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271394726175?forcerRptr=true&item=271394726175&viewitem=

I noticed this car today -- looks like it could have been a sneaky ZHP buy. Looks like somebody swapped out the ZHP wheels for the standard sport wheels before trading it in or something.

Low miles, good options, looks clean -- I nearly crapped myself. I ran an Autocheck on it, however, and it comes back as having Frame/Unibody damage. The seller lists the title as clear.

Steer clear unless you're willing to roll the dice.

[ELCID86]

Good catch. Add the VIN to the registry if you have it. http://www.zhpregistry.net/

[cakM3]

:shift

[kakashi169]

wow what a sneaky sale. thanks for the heads up

[scooby24]

Being a clear title doesn't mean it didn't have a repair performed, just that it wasn't totaled or a rebuilt/salvage title. It's free and clear of any liens and the owner has rights to the car. I wouldn't call that being sneaky or anything.

[zhphizz]

My wording was poor. I meant sneaky buy as in it wasn't listed as a ZHP, but clearly was.

The Frame/Unibody damage -- I guess it's possible it could have had it, or the auction company could have just listed it that way to avoid returns, but to make no mention of it in the ad is a little suspect.

I contacted the seller; they insist the title is clean and that the frame damage appears because Manheim was unable to verify it. It's still a dice-roll, I just wanted to give people a heads up in case they were looking at it since there's no indication without running the VIN.

[zhphizz]

Added to registry.

It looks like somebody bought it for $8900. If it turns out its clean, somebody got a hell of a deal.

[Mjw7800]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-3-Series-Base-Sedan-4-Door-2004-BMW-330i-Sedan-4-Door-3-0L-Suede-Interior-M3-PKG-Premium-PKG-/271402732458?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f30dd0baa&item=271402732458&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

looks like its back up at a buy it now of 11,900$
i swear i see so many no reserve auctions on lots of cars sell,,then relisted,,i feel there arent really any true no reserve auctions,,the sellers usually push the bidding up with a friend or another account

[Avetiso]

No stickers on rad support = aftermarket. Headlights have massive gap between hood and lens = aftermarket hood.

[Mjw7800]

NOT SURE HOW GOOD THIS WILL SHOW UP,,BUT I DID AN AUTOCHECK ON IT,,it has frame damage

12/05/2013 FL
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FRAME DAMAGE
12/05/2013 FL
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS STRUCTURAL DAMAGE
12/09/2013 FL

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2004 BMW 3-Series 330i
Report Run Date: 2014-02-15 23:51:35.421 EST
Report Summary

Class: Upscale - Near Luxury
Engine: 3.0L I6 EFI
Country of Assembly: Germany
Vehicle Age: 10 year(s)
Calculated Owners: 3
VIN: WBAEV53434KM06154
Year: 2004
Make: BMW
Model: 3-Series 330i
Style/Body: Sedan 4D
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AccidentCheck
Reported accidents: 2

Title and ProblemCheck
Major title or other problem(s) reported

OdometerCheck
Your vehicle checks out!
Last Reported Odometer Reading: 71,282

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Specific vehicle use(s) or events reported
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AccidentCheck
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A problem has been found with this vehicle.Information Reported! AutoCheck shows accidents reported to AutoCheck for this 2004 BMW 3-Series 330i (WBAEV53434KM06154). Below you will find the date and location reported for the accident. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.
Accidents Reported on This Vehicle

Accident No. Reported Date Location
1 07/19/2012 MIAMI, FL
2 07/26/2013 FL
Reported accidents or damage events are a result of vehicle collisions or other non-collision incidents such as vandalism or theft. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.
Title and ProblemCheck
A problem has been found with this vehicle.Problem Reported! AutoCheck's database for this 2004 BMW 3-Series 330i (WBAEV53434KM06154) shows a negative title(s) or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems, and disqualifies the vehicle for AutoCheck Buyback Protection. Check the Vehicle Use and EventCheck for reported accidents.
2 Problem(s) Reported: 15 Title/Problem areas checked:
image No abandoned title record
image Damaged title record(s) or major damage incident record(s)
image No fire damaged title record
image No grey market title record
image No hail damage title record
image No insurance loss title or probable total loss record
image No junk or scrapped title record
image No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
image No odometer problem title record
image No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
image No salvage title or salvage auction record
image No water damaged title record
image No NHTSA crash test record
image Frame/unibody damage record(s)
image No recycling facility record
OdometerCheck
checks_outYour Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 2004 BMW 3-Series 330i (WBAEV53434KM06154) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.
0 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported
image 5 01/14/2004
image 19,613 05/05/2005
image 19,671 08/10/2005
image 27,000 11/16/2005
image 38,785 02/12/2009
image 38,785 02/14/2009
image 71,275 11/25/2013
image 71,275 12/18/2013
image 71,275 01/06/2014
image 71,282 02/13/2014
Vehicle Use and EventCheck
imageInformation Reported! AutoCheck shows additional vehicle uses or events reported to AutoCheck for this 2004 BMW 3-Series 330i (WBAEV53434KM06154). This includes reported vehicle uses such as rental or lease, and events such as whether the vehicle has been reported to have had a loan/lien or a duplicate title issued. Other events show if the vehicle has a reported accident and how many calculated accidents or if it has been reported stolen or repossessed. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.
1 Event(s) Reported: 6 Vehicle uses checked:
image Fleet, rental and/or lease use record(s)
image No taxi use record
image No police use record
image No government use record
image No livery use record
image No driver education record
2 Event(s) Reported: 9 Vehicle events checked:
image 2 Accident record(s) reported through accident data sources
image No corrected title record
image No duplicate title record
image No emission/safety inspection record
image Loan/Lien record(s)
image No fire damage incident record
image No repossessed record
image No theft record
image No storm area registration/title record
Full History
Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text.
Report Run Date 2014-02-15 23:51:35.421 EST
Vehicle: 2004 BMW 3-Series 330i (WBAEV53434KM06154)
Event date Location Odometer reading Data Source Details
01/14/2004 CULPEPER, VA
5
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/13/2004 CULPEPER, VA
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
05/05/2005 PA
19,613
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION AS DEALER VEHICLE
08/10/2005 MINNEAPOLIS, MN
19,671
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:C2220T503) (Lien Reported)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/16/2005 MIAMI BEACH, FL
27,000
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:0094470842) (Lien Reported)
11/16/2005 MIAMI BEACH, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/18/2006 MIAMI BEACH, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/12/2007 MIAMI BEACH, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/13/2008 MIAMI BEACH, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
02/12/2009 HIALEAH, FL
38,785
Dealer Record VEHICLE IN DEALER INVENTORY (COLOR REPORTED AS RED)
02/14/2009 FL
38,785
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
02/14/2009 MIAMI, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
03/23/2009 MIAMI, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:0094470842) (Lien Reported)
03/23/2009 MIAMI, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/18/2010 MIAMI, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/09/2011 MIAMI, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/30/2012 MIAMI, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
07/19/2012 MIAMI, FL
State Agency RIGHT REAR IMPACT WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE (Case #:83419561)
07/19/2012 MIAMI, FL
Police Report ACCIDENT REPORTED (Case #:120719-207342)
MULTIPLE IMPACT COLLISION
07/19/2012 FL
State Agency MODERATE DAMAGE REPORTED
06/23/2013 MIAMI, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
07/26/2013 FL
Police Report RIGHT SIDE IMPACT COLLISION
ACCIDENT REPORTED (Case #:130726-210940)
11/25/2013 FL
71,275
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
12/05/2013 FL
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FRAME DAMAGE
12/05/2013 FL
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS STRUCTURAL DAMAGE
12/09/2013 FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:0094470842)
12/18/2013 FL
71,275
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
01/06/2014 FL
71,275
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FLEET/LEASE
02/13/2014 FL
71,282
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
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Term Section Location Definition
Frame Damage Title and ProblemCheck A wholesale Auto Auction has reported that the vehicle has frame damage, which can weaken the structure of the vehicle.
Damaged Title and ProblemCheck The vehicle has sustained significant damage to the body and/or mechanical components.
Loan/Lien Vehicle Use and EventCheck A loan/lien is the legal right to take and hold or sell the vehicle of a debtor as security or payment for a debt. Normally, a vehicle will have a lien due to a loan or unpaid repair bill against the vehicle. Check with the seller to ensure that the lien has been satisfied.
Accident or Vehicle Damage Vehicle Use and EventCheck Reported accidents or damage events are a result of vehicle collisions or other non-collision incidents such as vandalism or theft. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck. Certain accident or damage events are reported by the source to have resulted in minor, moderate or severe damage to the vehicle, or the events are calculated by AutoCheck to have resulted in minor, moderate or severe damage based on the information reported. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.
Fleet, Rental and/or Lease Use Vehicle Use and EventCheck The vehicle has been reported as used as a fleet, rental, and/or lease vehicle.

[zhphizz]

No stickers on rad support = aftermarket. Headlights have massive gap between hood and lens = aftermarket hood.

Yeah, good call. I didn't notice any stickers on the underside of the hood, either.

I got this response from the seller when I asked them to clarify why the Autocheck reports frame damage:



It does have a clear title, what autocheck is reporting is that it was
announced with possible frame damage when we purchased it at Manheim Auto
Auction.

W subsequently had the car inspected and found no frame damage.
What happens is that most cars sold by finance companies and banks are
sold as "possible: frame damage" to avoid any returns.'

Car has a clean
title.


Caveat emptor. I wouldn't be so uppity about it if they'd be forthright in the ad.

[zhmp945]

This car is up on a "no reserve" auction again:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-3-Series-Base-Sedan-4-Door-2004-BMW-330i-Sedan-4-Door-3-0L-Suede-Interior-M3-PKG-Premium-PKG-/271412312093?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f316f381d&item=271412312093&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

My guess is that the last "no reserve" auction was bid up by the seller (shill bidder). My guess is that the same thing will happen this time. Let's wait and see.

[Mjw7800]

yeah,,i watched a 2 mazdaspeed6,,and a zhp sell on a no reserve auction from dealers
called a few days later and they claim they are still for sale cuz the highest bidders didnt pay

iv always said there really are no real no reserve auctions on ebay

all the cars went for a good 4000$ less then the dealerships asking price

[ELCID86]

...
called a few days later and they claim they are still for sale cuz the highest bidders didnt pay

iv always said there really are no real no reserve auctions on ebay


I eBay messages one of these guys the other day and got the same thing...buyer's financing fell through...


Thumbs, iPhone, Tapatalk.

[zhmp945]

Sold for $9,000.

No, wait, it's up for sale again :facepalm