Anyone running spacers with Style 135's on a stock suspension?

[danewilson77]

Pics and specs please.

[johnrando]

I was going to say I have spacers but then I realized I'm not on stock. Duh.

[cakM3]

Before installing coilovers I was on stock suspension running 10mm front and 12mm rears.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/06/3u9a5u7y.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/06/uvany9yv.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/06/yduva5um.jpg

They were Turner Motorsport spacers...

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[Crickett]

Ditto what Charlie said: stock (105k-mile original) suspension & 135Ms, 10-mm front, 12.5-mm rear TMS spacers.

http://tcholo.net:8080/images/bmw/ZHPdaily20130526.jpg

http://tcholo.net:8080/images/bmw/ZHPdaily20130521.jpg

(Also see sig pic)

[danewilson77]

Chuck/Crickett,

Were you guys happy with those or do you wish you went with 12's in front and 15's in the rear?

[ryankokesh]

Chuck/Crickett,

Were you guys happy with those or do you wish you went with 12's in front and 15's in the rear?

Same question from this guy.


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[cakM3]

Chuck/Crickett,

Were you guys happy with those or do you wish you went with 12's in front and 15's in the rear?

Dane, the 10mm fronts were good but I kept getting slight rubs in the rear (12mm) whenever I hit a hard bump or dip. With passengers, this became a common thing, even after Justin rolled my fenders at the 2nd reunion meet at your house.

I recently changed my rear spacers and now run 10mm square and have no rubbing. Of course, I'm now using coilovers since that last set of pics were taken and am lowered. With the 10mm spacers in the rear, I no longer experience rubbing.

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[ryankokesh]

We're you rubbing at stock height?


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[cakM3]

We're you rubbing at stock height?


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Yes but I'm guessing that if I had used 10mm spacers at the rears there would be no rubbing. I got Macht Schnell 10mm spa ers and mounted them but I'm now on coilovers. I have no rubbing so I'd guess with a stock setup there would be no rubbing as well. My rear chambers have been adjusted for max negative camber when I got my alignment.

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[ryankokesh]

Hmm, so 10 all around seems to be the 'safe' number?


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[danewilson77]

Sounds good fella's.

[ejp2fast]

I am not on stock 135's either, but thought i'd chime in as I have Style 197's with Rear 18x8.5 with +37mm offset (stock 135's are 18x8.5 with +51mm offset) so that is equivalent to a 14mm spacer- and with 4 grown fellers in the back, around an aggressive turn, i get slight rub on stock suspension.

[Crickett]

Chuck/Crickett,

Were you guys happy with those or do you wish you went with 12's in front and 15's in the rear?

I'm happy with the 10s up front, but I think, aesthetically, the rears could be pushed out a li'l bit more; a 15 would probably be perfect. I haven't experienced any rubbing like Charlie has, but I also haven't had any passengers (other than my 2-yo) nor hit any large bumps since installing the spacers.

[cakM3]

Hmm, so 10 all around seems to be the 'safe' number?

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I would assume with 10mm spacers only, you should be good to go.

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[Dave_B]

Gents, to clarify...

What is the purpose of these spaces? My guess is to widen the track of the wheels, providing better cornering.

Or is it just looks?

FWIW, I'm ok with the latter, but wanted to clarify as I hear about this mod all the time on here.

[Washburn]

It's a combination of both AFAIK.

Some more details here :)
Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Wheel Spacer (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1364210)

[Crickett]

Gents, to clarify...

What is the purpose of these spaces? My guess is to widen the track of the wheels, providing better cornering.

Or is it just looks?

FWIW, I'm ok with the latter, but wanted to clarify as I hear about this mod all the time on here.

I'm sure there are some performance benefits, but for me, it's 99% looks.

[johnrando]

It's really just looks. Some say a wider track helps handling but others say that it introduces another potential point of failure, pointing out that race cars don't use them. So, it's all of the above probably, but mainly for looks, as very few of us drive our cars hard enough/often enough for them to really make a difference.

[ryankokesh]

Yeah, looks for me. I drive like an old man. Except for that time I got pulled over.


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[danewilson77]

It's really just looks. Some say a wider track helps handling but others say that it introduces another potential point of failure, pointing out that race cars don't use them. So, it's all of the above probably, but mainly for looks, as very few of us drive our cars hard enough/often enough for them to really make a difference.

Some have also said this may cause your bearing to wear out a litle faster now that the fulcrum has changed a bit.

[johnrando]

Hadn't heard that one Dane, good to know.

[Washburn]

Speaking of 10 mm spacers I got these today: :)

8939

[PirateZHP]

Does anyone have pics of 5mm in the front and 10mm in the back (stock suspension)? I have some on the way and wanted to see what it will look like.

[johnrando]

Not sure how you feel about this (especially since you already ordered), but TMS seems to think that 10mm is the smallest they'd go for safety/fitment reasons. Check out their site. You might even already know that. Hope it works out.

[PirateZHP]

Not sure how you feel about this (especially since you already ordered), but TMS seems to think that 10mm is the smallest they'd go for safety/fitment reasons. Check out their site. You might even already know that. Hope it works out.

I have seen that. I got that 5mm from Bill from his "Garage Sale" (as well as his 10mm). I knew they were small, but figured I would start somewhere... Seems like it is more common to have 10mm in the front and 12-15 in the rear. So, I hope it doesn't look weak to have the 5mm in the front and 10 in the rear. Again, starting somewhere!

[mimalmo]

I ran 20mm TMS spacers in front with stock wheels on a very low car with no rubbing so there is a TON of room up front.

[ryankokesh]

Wish I could get 12 or 15 in the back. That'd be nice.

[ELCID86]

So, Dane did you do this? I was considering 10/front and 12/rear until the above mentions of 10s all around. Thinking of giving these to my son for Christmas.

[Avetiso]

I have 15mm in the rear, just got my fenders rolled. Hit a lot of bumps and turns on the way home; not a single squeak. I assume I'm all good.

[ELCID86]

Neither car is currently rolled, so I guess I'd need to be less aggressive.

[johnrando]

Good news Dario. Shawn, on a stock suspension, you shouldn't need rolling with 10/12 spacers.

[PirateZHP]

I have 10 in the front and 15 in the back, and I don't rub...

With fingers touching the screen...

[danewilson77]

I have 10 in the front and 15 in the back, and I don't rub...

With fingers touching the screen...

You know.. If you get the S4....

Sent from my S4 > Mason, OH

[PirateZHP]

You know.. If you get the S4....

Sent from my S4 > Mason, OH

Wut?

With fingers touching the screen...

[danewilson77]

Your fingers wouldn't always be having to touch the screen :)

Sent from my S4 > Mason, OH

[PirateZHP]

There isn't enough added to the S4 to make me want to jump from the S3 I currently have.

With fingers touching the screen...

[Avetiso]

There isn't enough added to the S4 to make me want to jump from the S3 I currently have.

With fingers touching the screen...
Go for the Note 3 in that case. It's superb.

[PirateZHP]

Go for the Note 3 in that case. It's superb.

I have the S3. There is no need to go to either the note or S4 in my opinion.

But this is a spacer thread... amiright?

With fingers touching the screen...

[Avetiso]

I have the S3. There is no need to go to either the note or S4 in my opinion.

But this is a spacer thread... amiright?

With fingers touching the screen...
For sure. I was under the impression you were looking to upgrade. The S3 is still a great phone, and you are right, although newer phones are nicer, nothing necessarily worth jumping out at.

[danewilson77]

I have the S3. There is no need to go to either the note or S4 in my opinion.

But this is a spacer thread... amiright?

With fingers touching the screen...

No.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/nicee46/Maint%20and%20Misc%20II/20131111_205137-1.gif (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/nicee46/media/Maint%20and%20Misc%20II/20131111_205137-1.gif.html)

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[Lanister]

Not long ago, I heard that Coupes have an ability to house wider wheels than Sedans. Is it true? If so, is it because of suspension clearance or because of more fender room? or both? I was looking at my stock wheel spacing today and my fronts have way less fender clearance than rears. This leads me to think that coupes can handle different spacers than sedans? From what it looks like, I have plenty of room to house a 15mm spacer in the back. Stock tire size.

Thoughts?

[wsmeyer]

IMO it sounds unlikely. Spacers move the wheel outward away from suspension components so even different geometry wouldn't matter. The owners manual for the coupe and sedan list the rear width at 68.5" so that just leaves the shape of the wheel well that might be different.

Convertibles are 69.2" wide in the back. I know they use the same rear end so I deduced that they must have needed the extra width to accommodate the top box. Reading through a bunch of threads it seemed most people thought 12mm was the largest you could put on the back with stock suspension and rims but I found very little info for verts. I have a lathe so my plan was to buy spacers larger than I was certain would fit and keep shaving them done until they didn't rub. As it worked out I got a great deal on some 15's here on the Mafia. Now that I've rolled my fenders and ground the bolt down I don't think you can go any wider on a vert. With passengers in the back I can make it rub by driving more aggressively over bumps than I normally would, but whith my normal driving no rub at all.

[Avetiso]

My dad has a lathe. I wonder if it's worth making your own spacers... I could make them the exact width I want. He wants to teach me how to use it over the winter.

[wsmeyer]

My dad has a lathe. I wonder if it's worth making your own spacers... I could make them the exact width I want. He wants to teach me how to use it over the winter.

That was my original, original plan but once I started looking at how they did the lip and chamfered the back I went with option B of just shaving down some. To me it just wasn't worth the effort.

If you want to learn how to use a lathe it is a pretty straightforward but I'll also point out that since you're only buying enough aluminum to make 4 spacers you're not going to end up saving any money making your own.

[Avetiso]

That was my original, original plan but once I started looking at how they did the lip and chamfered the back I went with option B of just shaving down some. To me it just wasn't worth the effort.

If you want to learn how to use a lathe it is a pretty straightforward but I'll also point out that since you're only buying enough aluminum to make 4 spacers you're not going to end up saving any money making your own.
True, but it wouldn't be just for spacers. It would be a good skill to have.

[QC_ZHP]

It'd be a fun project but probably not worth the time and resources.

Side note: PM me if anyone wants a set of ECS 10mms, Mafia discount. I'm looking to go 15mm in the rear.

[ELCID86]

It'd be a fun project but probably not worth the time and resources.

Side note: PM me if anyone wants a set of ECS 10mms, Mafia discount. I'm looking to go 15mm in the rear.

So you are going 15 on the rear, and what on the front?

[WOLFN8TR]

Side note: PM me if anyone wants a set of ECS 10mms, Mafia discount. I'm looking to go 15mm in the rear.

How much are you looking to get for these shipped? Do they come with bolts? I tried PM'ing you but Tapatalk wouldn't let me.

[QC_ZHP]

So you are going 15 on the rear, and what on the front?

The 10's for now. Although, this guy on e46f has 18 up front & 15 out back. Looks great in the pics, but 18 is a big spacer.

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy208/iya818pque/AW%20ZHP/979F2524-9FB7-414B-9BAA-274B6B2C821F-7829-000003E442D61C32.jpg


How much are you looking to get for these shipped? Do they come with bolts? I tried PM'ing you but Tapatalk wouldn't let me.

I just bought them literally a week ago for $99.95 w/ extended studs. I've gotten 2 PM's already about them, and like I told them, I'm not looking to get my money back and don't mind hooking up a Mafia member, so just shoot me a price that you think is fair and I'll give them to you.

[ELCID86]

The 10's for now. Although, this guy on e46f has 18 up front & 15 out back. Looks great in the pics, but 18 is a big spacer.

I just bought them literally a week ago for $99.95 w/ extended studs. I've gotten 2 PM's already about them, and like I told them, I'm not looking to get my money back and don't mind hooking up a Mafia member, so just shoot me a price that you think is fair and I'll give them to you.

Wow 18 and 15?!? I'm leaning towards 10f and 12r. Why so big in the front?

If these aren't gone already, I may be interested.

[wsmeyer]

IMO 12's is perfect for the front. I have 15's now and while they don't rub the tire does stick out past the fender a tiny bit.

[Avetiso]

I'd like to get 18s for the front to match the flushness of the rears with 15s.

[Lanister]

Putting on spacers doesn't require a re-alignment, does it?

[QC_ZHP]

Wow 18 and 15?!? I'm leaning towards 10f and 12r. Why so big in the front?

If these aren't gone already, I may be interested.

I'm hesitant to order the 18's but I love the aggressive look in the picture I posted. I'm content with the 10's at the moment, but that may change when 15's go on the back. I'm going for a completely flush look. I don't care for any tuck.


As of now, sale pending to Lanister on the spacers.

[Vas]

IMO 12's is perfect for the front. I have 15's now and while they don't rub the tire does stick out past the fender a tiny bit.


I'd like to get 18s for the front to match the flushness of the rears with 15s.

So if 12mm are perfect for the front, then 18mm has alot of poke?

Curious to see a good close-up picture of 15mm on the front

[QC_ZHP]

I'd like to get 18s for the front to match the flushness of the rears with 15s.

Have you measured or just assumption? I need to measure first, but I agree, I'd like to have a completely flush look with a drop and 135's:drool

[wsmeyer]

This is 15 everything else stock. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/13/equpu9u6.jpg

[QC_ZHP]

^ Looks fantastic, exactly what I'm after. Right now, there's a slight bit of tuck with the 10mm's.

[Washburn]

Something in handling will definitely change in handling with spacers, even if it's minimal.
I took my front spacers off after 2 days of driving even though that was with a new type of wheel (style 264); it looks fine even without spacers and I hated how the car handled with spacers - back to normal immediately after taking them off. They were brand new Macht Schnell 10mm hub centric. They were installed with ext length bolts and hub surface cleaned and all that jazz and aligned after that. It was just weird the way steering felt.
No more of that for me.

[iya_e46]

I'd like to get 18s for the front to match the flushness of the rears with 15s.

This is what I have now, 18f /15r on my cupkit. No issues and rubbing

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy208/iya818pque/AW%20ZHP/976089_4671834964985_173729982_o.jpg

[QC_ZHP]

Rolled fenders?

[iya_e46]

^nope

[Pip]

I'd like to get 18s for the front to match the flushness of the rears with 15s.

20s. Do it.

[Pip]

Looks great Iya.

[danewilson77]

This is what I have now, 18f /15r on my cupkit. No issues and rubbing

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy208/iya818pque/AW%20ZHP/976089_4671834964985_173729982_o.jpg

:drool

[johnrando]

Car looks great!

[328ioc]

I am probably going to order at set of 10's and 12.5's tonight.

Now I need to decide if I get longer studs. Or go with traditional studs and nuts.

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[mimalmo]

You'll need longer wheel bolts for spacers that big. Turner Motorsport still has the best spacers and you can order them with black wheel bolts for that OEM look.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-141-turner-motorsport-wheel-spacers.aspx

[328ioc]

You'll need longer wheel bolts for spacers that big. Turner Motorsport still has the best spacers and you can order them with black wheel bolts for that OEM look.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-141-turner-motorsport-wheel-spacers.aspx

Yep I was planning on going with Turner.

I'm still debating bolts or a stud kit though.

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[mimalmo]

Go with wheel bolts. Stud kits work on highly modified cars but look awkward on otherwise stock cars.

[328ioc]

I went with bolts due to the damn. Cost. Shit adds up when you need 20 studs and nuts.

Spacers have been ordered.

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[JupiterBMW]

Just for another visual reference, here is my car... I currently have stock suspension, but my wheel sizes are such that it is equivalent 18mm spacers on stock wheels up front and 15mm spacers on stock rear wheels... Hope this helps. And FWIW, I'm going to put a 10mm spacer out back just to see how it looks and if it rubs... :)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/IMG_0524.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/IMG_0524.jpg.html)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/jdinisio/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/IMG_0523.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/jdinisio/media/2003%20330i%20ZHP%20Pics/IMG_0523.jpg.html)

[JupiterBMW]

Also, just FYI, I have a 245 tire all around, so the front looks a little meatier than OEM size tires... I'll be lowering soon on H&R, and hopefully I can achieve the same stance as iya!

[Pip]

Those 18s look good up front.

[PirateZHP]

I need to go bigger up front. So much win with that!

[iya_e46]

Those 18s look good up front.

Yes. I tried 20's with the 135's but changed it back to 18's

My whole objective is for a stock look and no overkill.

[ELCID86]

Yes. I tried 20's with the 135's but changed it back to 18's

My whole objective is for a stock look and no overkill.

And that looks stock? How is the handling?

[iya_e46]

And that looks stock? How is the handling?

for the non enthusiast it looks stock LOL

handling is great, best DD set up I had.

[ELCID86]

for the non enthusiast it looks stock LOL

handling is great, best DD set up I had.

Thanks. So you have 18 front. What on the rear? OEM Staggered setup?

[iya_e46]

^ yes oem stagg only.

the rears are 15mm

[ELCID86]

^ thanks. Can someone point me towards the "spacer borrowing/lending" thread?

[johnrando]

http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/showthread.php?11569-The-Spacer-Swap-Thread&highlight=spacers